Icemud's Breeding Projects And Motherchucking Pollination Extravaganza

Hey Rexer...

Thats a great question, however I don't know how well I can answer it with accuracy as I haven't really went too deep into genetics and how they work for cannabis.

I think it goes back to those Punnett Squares I learned about back in High School many many years ago, and which traits are dominant vs recessive... but I don't even know if thats changed or not since back in the day... I wish I had more idea for ya, but I don't unfortunately.
All good brother, thanks for taking the time to answer best you could.
I remember, and i have seen those squares in some of the reading I've been doing. It was more a curiosity question, as I'll work with what I've got either way.

Now that's a nice seed harvest Icemud!
 
Sweet seed harvest Ice!
Thanks StoneOtter! definitely chocolate thai was unlike anything I've ever smoked... gave a feeling of complete energy, wellbeing and felt like that "perfect day" kind of feeling. Was amazing!
 
A little late to this project but you are doing great. I wish i had the room and patients to make my own seeds. Even thinking about it my head is about to explode with how many crosses you could do. But again awesome job and keep up the great work.
Thank you Tkmk! All it takes is 1 male and 1 female to make lots of seeds :) I'm having a blast making all these crosses and hopefully I will have the time to try them all at some point ;)

Thank you for the kudos and for stopping thru!
 
All good brother, thanks for taking the time to answer best you could.
I remember, and i have seen those squares in some of the reading I've been doing. It was more a curiosity question, as I'll work with what I've got either way.

Now that's a nice seed harvest Icemud!
Yea I wish I had more experience and data to really give a good insight into the breeding and how each parent influences the progeny... I just lack the time and room to really get a good idea of how the traits pass through...

My guess is that parental strains who are worked more, such as like F7 or higher, probably have the dominant traits locked in much further therefore "may" have more probability in carrying over to the progeny, where as strains that have a ton of variation, probably have more of a "dice roll" of randomness... But thats just a guess on my part.

I know that genetic mapping has been used in other industries where selective breeding uses dna "roadmaps" to identify which genotypes should be selected to breed for certain traits, but I don't think the cannabis industry has gotten there yet...
 
Yea I wish I had more experience and data to really give a good insight into the breeding and how each parent influences the progeny... I just lack the time and room to really get a good idea of how the traits pass through...

My guess is that parental strains who are worked more, such as like F7 or higher, probably have the dominant traits locked in much further therefore "may" have more probability in carrying over to the progeny, where as strains that have a ton of variation, probably have more of a "dice roll" of randomness... But thats just a guess on my part.
That's actually a nice chunk of information, thank you. I'm totally fine with the randomness - all the crosses that I intend to use with my auto project are high yielders. I'll probably just have to be selective for the backcrossing. I'll still buy the occasional fems to keep some variations going, and integrate some newer traits.
Once I feel I've got something unique and that I like, I'll probably send a sample for testing, just for giggles.
I know that genetic mapping has been used in other industries where selective breeding uses dna "roadmaps" to identify which genotypes should be selected to breed for certain traits, but I don't think the cannabis industry has gotten there yet...
Hmm I wonder if the Canadian industry has gotten something like that going yet? I've read a few good articles on (and ones citing) cannabis growing from universities since legalization.
 
I'll remember that! Sounds like a good buzz! Who made the originals?

Strain: Originally these genetics started with Drawoh, the story behind it according to "seedfinder" is:

Chocolate Thai Bx (OG Chocolate Thai F2 x OG Chocolate Thai F3 x Big Sur Holy Weed male)

Joint project with Drawoh of Collectable Seeds. Drawoh selected a male and females for a bulking of the OG Chocolate Thai line. These were grown out from his stock of F2’s. I also grew out my F3’s after losing all but a few plants in a selection warehouse which I lost a years’ worth of selections and more. So none of the F3’s Chocolate Thais provided a male, only females. So I used a selected Chocolate Thai x BSHW male from my Holy Chocolate Thai line which used a F3 male originally. The Holy Chocolate Thai is some of my best work, the taste of the buds are sweet, delicately tropical scented, very hypnotic aroma when flowers are gently squeezed. So this backcross to the F2 Chocolate Thai female will give you 75% of the Chocolate Thais genetics but with the other 25% coming from an Indica pheno of the Big Sur Holy Weed line which adds it unique old school effects. Nothing quite like it but the high is very potent, soaring, trippy and can catch you off guard if grow properly.”

This above is what is known as Drawoh Chocolate Thai 2.5.

Hazeman took Drawoh Chocolate Thai 2.5 x Drawoh Chocolate Thai 2.5 to create these F4 Chocolate Thai seeds.

The Chocolate Thai that I used were from Hazeman's F4’s.

The same issue that Drawoh had with not getting males, I had as well, and took me a ton of seeds to finally get a male.
 
Strain: Originally these genetics started with Drawoh, the story behind it according to "seedfinder" is:



This above is what is known as Drawoh Chocolate Thai 2.5.

Hazeman took Drawoh Chocolate Thai 2.5 x Drawoh Chocolate Thai 2.5 to create these F4 Chocolate Thai seeds.

The Chocolate Thai that I used were from Hazeman's F4’s.

The same issue that Drawoh had with not getting males, I had as well, and took me a ton of seeds to finally get a male.
From my understanding the DrawOh are the closest to pure Chocolate thai that are known to exist as far as my research showed. Also the 75/25 seemed to be close to what I saw, where there were shorter flowering hybrid looking phenos, and there were long flowering very sativa dom phenos. I used both in my BX seed project, but selected the "hybrid" one for future breeding because of the shorter flower time and structure being more suitable for todays wants. My pheno 5 is the "hybrid" one and my pheno 6 was the long flowering sativa one.
 
A little off topic, but figured some of you might like hearing a "newer" song that worked on with a friend...

 
...I'm an old fok, and I didn't mind that at all... :thumb: :thumb: ...cheerz... :high-five: ...h00k... :hookah:
Appreciate that Dr. Hook :) I tried to write the first verse lyrics that could apply to the masses :) I also figured everyone was saying there is too much "hate" in the world, so I talked about things I hate, but replaced the word with love almost as I was speaking from a dark perspective of the world :)

Glad you enjoyed it :)
 
Quick update!

Happy Friday everyone!!!

Well my DJ Short Blueberry F4 seed/open pollen project is well underway. Out of 7 total Blueberry, 3 are male and 4 are female so there is a good ratio which is nice to have. I kept 2 of the female clones, one is the blueberry syrup waffle terps one, and the other is the taller nice structure one with a hint of purple in the early veg leaves, just incase it makes for something special as it flowers.

All 3 males are not showing nice pollen sack formation and 1 is already dropping pollen and the others are not far behind.

Other than that, even though I plan on doing a flower run next project, I may change my mind as I want a "gas/fuel/chemical" OG/Chemdog/sour diesel type project going as I haven't done a "fuel/gas" terps project yet and most have been focused on either old school terps, fruity or sativas.... So I'm definitely due for a gas/fuel project... those heavy hitters.

I have room for 5 plants right now, until I decide if I can get rid of the extra blueberry clones or not that I took. Last night I popped 3 (regular) seeds of WIFI Alien x 3 Chems which I think will be absolutely amazing if I can get a male pollen doner. Unfortunately I only have 3 seeds of this, so we will see. If they end up being female than I will just flower them out, clone each one and pick the best pheno to continue in search of a good gas/fuel terp project.

I have 2 spaces left for now, and I am deciding what I want to put in its place...

I have some options including:
Hazemans Astro Kush
Hazemans Blue Bubba
some kosher kush x sour bubble cross
88g13HP (which is more of a afghani hashplant)
A random Phantom Cookies I found on a dispensary bud (probably from a hermi)
Hazemans (Sour diesel x deep chunk) x (sour Diesel x deep chunk)

Since I am looking for a male pollen donor, any of these would suffice, but leaning towards the Astro Kush but still weighing out my options.

Well thats all for now...

Happy Friday to all, and have a great weekend!!! I will snap some photos of the blueberries this weekend and get some pics to show off :)
 
Quick update on my DJ Short Blueberry F4 project:

Today makes day 15 of flowering (from the flip).

All of the blueberry are fully flowering now, and the males all are starting to drop pollen.

I have 3 males, and 4 females that will be getting pollinated.

Here are the pics :) enjoy!






 
Happy Super Bowl Sunday everyone... so pack up that Super Bowl!!!! and fire it up!!!!

So quick update to my Blueberry Journal. All 3 males are dropping clouds of pollen now, so I have been every other day giving them a good shake and letting the pollen fly. During my Chocolate Thai project I learned I am HIGHLY allergic to thai pollen, never had a problem with any other strains but the Thai makes me sneeze my azzuka off for a long while afterwords.... so I put on my 3 layer cotton "covid" muzzle to see if it helped and just as I thought... it does nothing to prevent the pollen getting it... which also shows its worthless for protecting against a virus which is under 1 micron... guess science was right... LOL.

Anyhow all of the plants are doing well and nicely forming flowers, and some are already showing signs of seed growth which is nice. I'm still using my foxfarm nutrients and additives like humic acid, kangarrots (microbes), enzymes for feedings but recently picked up some Jacks Nutrients and have started using the 321 formula and wow.. Im so far very impressed and its super easy to use... so I will be slowly using up most of my other nutrients and then probably switching to jacks as my main nutrients, as well as keeping the additives going.


In my updcomming "gas" project I scoured through my seed vault to see what types of gassy strains I have. I popped some Mycotec Alien Antfreeze (3 regular seeds) which is WIFI Alien x 3 chems and all 3 seeds popped and were placed into soil. I still had 2 spaces left and originally popped some sour bubble x kosher kush beans I had, but the 2 didn't crack and even when I assisted them, not taproot showed after a week of soaking in warm water... so I ditched those and went back to my vault... I found some cannarado GMO x Frozen Margy regulars and so I popped 2 of those and I am awaiting them to crack.

I'm still debating whether or not to do a seed run after the blueberry, or just a flower run, but I guess it really will depend on if I get a male out of either of the new seeds I just cracked.... Hopefully I get at least 1 as I really havent' done a kush/gas type project yet.

Well happy Sunday everyone!
 
..I would think Yer' due for a flower run for your own enjoyment...I'm surprised your mask didn't stop the pollen!?...being immunocompromised, I wear a N95 down here in Mexico, but only as required, for entry into grocery stores or shops...no way I'm going home with a mask tan line like so many others down here...good luck on the pollination and whatever you decide to do next...cheerz... :high-five: ...h00k... :hookah: ...
 
..I would think Yer' due for a flower run for your own enjoyment...I'm surprised your mask didn't stop the pollen!?...being immunocompromised, I wear a N95 down here in Mexico, but only as required, for entry into grocery stores or shops...no way I'm going home with a mask tan line like so many others down here...good luck on the pollination and whatever you decide to do next...cheerz... :high-five: ...h00k... :hookah: ...
Yea I'm kind of inbetween flower run and seed... I guess I will probably clone the plants, then flip them and if I get a male, seeds, and if its all female it will be flower. LOL. I 've reduced the amount I have been smoking lately as I've been trying to up my motivation, testosterone levels and get back in shape.. I think my addiction to coffee, my stress over the last few years as well as my young years of taking a lot of diet pills, androsteine may have messed up my metabolism as well, so really trying to get back in shape as the Lbs added on and cannabis, although I love it, really lowers my motivation, focus and drive. I've been reading about it a lot, and from my understanding, stress, inflammation, bad eating and coffee all spike cortisol levels, which is the destroyer of testosterone and probably one of the main reasons I gained a ton of weight, and have low energy... I've started working out every day, and also researched some supplements, so Ive been taking Ashwaganda and Tribulus Terraris which are both known to lower cortisol levels and naturally pump up testosterone... and I can honestly say, wow, I feel about 20 years younger, full of energy and drive again... Amazing actually !

I knew the mask wouldn't work... as most masks wont, unless they are N-95 or N-100 and properly fit to the face. I figured I would try it out just to see, and yep... no help at all. All these cloth ones, surgical ones and KN95 are pretty much worthless as they let a lot of air exchange around the mask. Also especially for covid, viruses are less than 1 micron, so nothing other than the N95 and N100 will even stop it because the "holes" in the fabric are too big to stop a 1 micron virus... a great analogy is like taking sand and throwing it at a chainlink fence expecting the fence to block the sand... same concept. Its a shame that our "medical experts" have known this through the pandemic, and lied to us repeatedly as the science has not changed.

The worst part is these things are forcing us to breath our own co2 and the co2 levels quickly within minutes reach over 5000ppm of co2 which is around the OSHA threshold for a day, creating a hypoxic environment. When I was doing compliance for the extraction company, we were debating whether or not to require ventilators for employees who were using ethelyne and other chemicals, but we decided using carbon filters and exhaust hoods/fans was a better route, because we didn't want to force our employees to use the masks, which OSHA actually required a full medical examination by a doctor before legally we could force the employees to wear them.

Sorry to hear about your immunocomprimized system... I've done a ton of reading and research on this covid thing, and some of the best preventative things you can do is make sure to take vitamin D, quecertin, zinc, vitamin c and have low body fat ratios... and other than that just practice normal hygine like keeping good distance from people, washing hands. The good news is that each variant that mutates, the ratio of infection ability goes up, but the danger/harm from each one goes down which is good and we are getting to the point where its really in the same catigory of a bad cold or flu, which is really good news.

Hopefully I will get at least 1 male out of the new seeds, because its the last "have to" project that I have been wanting to do... A chem/OG project and then I've pretty much hit all my goals... sativa, landrace, purps/flavor, blueberry, choc thai...etc.... then I can focus on reducing my mother strains, or even getting rid of most of them, and starting to explore my creations I've made over the past 3-5 years.

Well have a great day and happy Valentines as well! Always appreciate you stopping by and sharing some good vibes on my journal Dr. Hook!
 
All these cloth ones, surgical ones and KN95 are pretty much worthless as they let a lot of air exchange around the mask. Also especially for covid, viruses are less than 1 micron, so nothing other than the N95 and N100 will even stop it because the "holes" in the fabric are too big to stop a 1 micron virus

Yeah, "The Science" hasn't changed. When I first heard that good souls were sewing up fancy cloth masks to give away, I said Whaaa?????

So I checked it all out. There's these things called interwebs you can use. right? So I used 'em from my own basement, without even having to talk to pretty people who talk to important people and tell us what they said. And it turned out that, in the spring of 2020, there was no data suggesting that masks would do any good. N95s let 1 out of 20 viruses through. I suppose if you were just going to dash into a deadly fog of virus for less than 20 breaths, you might be able to avoid catching one, but ... the odds ain' good if you're going to breathe naturally for several minutes. And surgical ones, with the crappy fit that fogs up your glasses, are maybe 80% when they're fitted and worn properly, as in not slipping down your nose a few times a minute. That's 1 out of 5 viruses getting through on every breath. :hmmmm: Sure, that'll keep things safe. You can hang around people all day that way, right? The home-made ones were down in the 20s%. So 4 out of 5 get through on every breath.

It's so pitiful that it's become sad to watch.

:Namaste:
 
Yeah, "The Science" hasn't changed. When I first heard that good souls were sewing up fancy cloth masks to give away, I said Whaaa?????

So I checked it all out. There's these things called interwebs you can use. right? So I used 'em from my own basement, without even having to talk to pretty people who talk to important people and tell us what they said. And it turned out that, in the spring of 2020, there was no data suggesting that masks would do any good. N95s let 1 out of 20 viruses through. I suppose if you were just going to dash into a deadly fog of virus for less than 20 breaths, you might be able to avoid catching one, but ... the odds ain' good if you're going to breathe naturally for several minutes. And surgical ones, with the crappy fit that fogs up your glasses, are maybe 80% when they're fitted and worn properly, as in not slipping down your nose a few times a minute. That's 1 out of 5 viruses getting through on every breath. :hmmmm: Sure, that'll keep things safe. You can hang around people all day that way, right? The home-made ones were down in the 20s%. So 4 out of 5 get through on every breath.

It's so pitiful that it's become sad to watch.

:Namaste:
Yep... Its turned into a psychological conditioning device for so many people. Very sad state of things we are seeing right now... especially in the age of information at our fingertips. I mean I've seen people driving alone, with their windows up, gloves up to their arms, in tyvek suits with 3 masks on and I'm just like... geeze... fear has really allowed people to be controlled.

I even have emails from Mr Science (Dr. Fauci) himself from around April 2020 saying that masks are worthless, yet magically the media, the "medical advisors" News Media, and politicians, and even Fauci have continued to ignore scientific research and decided lying to the people is the best route, instead of using logic, common sense and factual information that they are forcing people to conform to medical tyranny in the name of "science"... Its really sad how we have gotten to this point.... especially for a virus with a 99.95% survival rate and that most of the mortalities have had 4+ comorbidity. And to add to it, they completely ignored preventative treatments and how to boost immune systems like exercise, vitamin D3, sunlight, vitamin c, quercetin, zinc........ and pretty much banned discussions of one of the most effective and safest drugs we have, ivremectin which has shown huge promise in over 70 different research papers.... its just a sad state of tyranny that we have chose to permit by allowing ignorance to rule.

At first, I was cautious, and immediately ran out before the Hype to get N-95s, but after just dipping into research a little, found they are rather ineffective and the cotton ones and the "surgical masks" are completely worthless. I have video testimony from the #1 person who trains other biological lab safety officers about virology who says the same thing, that unless you are pretty much wearing a space suit with supplemental air sealed completely, nothing really else is effective. Even data which compares the "mandates" shows zero effect of masks, and most infection rates actually went up. Especially when people are constantly touching their masks, touching everything else, it actually makes things worse...

I swear, the fear and the medical tyranny that has been allowed to take place during this last 2 years is far more harmful that the disease itself... Its sad.. really.... and lets not even get started on the "jab" that is actually now making peoples immune systems have a negative efficacy......

I just hope that someday people wake up, and start doing their own research and seeing the light. I mean I'm for personal choice, so if people feel masks make them feel better and calm their nerves, I'm ok with them doing as they please, but these nonsense mandates to wear oxygen depriving face muzzles has got to stop, especially on kids which are almost uneffected by the virus. We are screwing up future generations before they have the ability to cognitively think for themselves, If that is something humans can even do anymore..

Crazy world we live in. I guess the only good around this whole thing is it does show that people that have excess body fat are much more likely to be hospitalized, so it got my fat ass out the door and walking everyday, calorie counting, eating healthy and working out to drop off this extra baggage I have... LOL
 
Leave it to a couple loadies to have, like, knowledge and stuff, huh? :nerd-with-glasses: Go figure.

It's really refreshing to see someone who did the same thing I did - checked it out. No agenda, no opinion - just evidence. Did you run across T-cell and B-cell defenses? How 'bout the cycle threshold values for Covid tests vs other viruses? :laughtwo: That's a sneaky one. Sure, you might want a little more sensitivity for a novel pathogen, but another 10+ cycles?? Sheesh, that's gonna pick up fragments and dead strings, etc. Can't "spread" a non-functional piece of virus.

I'm still trying to understand the good part of it all. How did all of this make our future better? Why would it have been worse if they'd just played it straight?

Loadies rule! :headbanger:
 
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