Icemud's Breeding Projects And Motherchucking Pollination Extravaganza

Usually you would take a line at say F3 and choose 2 females and 2 males and breed them as 2 separate lines. Once you get to say F7 or F8 and both lines are relatively stable you choose a female from Line A and a male from Line B and they will be your new P1 generation and should reestablish hybrid Vigor.
 
Hey Everyone!!! I hope all of you had a great Thanksgiving Holiday and are getting ready for Christmas and the New Year!!! I know I am ready for the holidays for sure!!!!

Sorry this update took so long but it took me forever to get all of the plants dried and deseeded but here we are.....

The final Bangi Haze F9 breeding project report!!!!

I guess the best way to get started is to summarize the product and then I will post my personal breeding notes, along with photos of the final seed yield.

Summary:
The bangi Haze F9's came from a well known breeders private collection, however after doing some research I found out that Bangi Haze originally came from Ace Seeds. Ace seeds bred it to F7. Another breeder, Dragon Flame Genetics then took the F7 and selected it and bred it to F9. This is what I received was F9's.

Overall the bangi haze was a very easy to grow plant with very little stress, very little deficiency issues or really any problems. The Seeds were Popped into soil on April 16th, 2019 and Day 1 of flowering (flip to 12/12) was on August 26th so roughly they were given about 4 months total veg time from seed. I flowered the Bangi Haze for 74 days from teh flip, however 1 of the phenos wanted to keep pushing out white pistils and probably could have went longer. Most of the wait for flowering was due to my other seed project finishing up so I had to delay vegging on the bangi haze, and I believe through the course of veg I topped the Bangi haze at least 2x but it may have been 3.

Overall the structure of the bangi haze was really nice, great bud stacking, good solid strong stems, and not too dense of foliage with decently long internodes so it would probably make for and excellent plant in areas with higher humidity and mold as it would allow for good airflow in the foliage. Supposedly Bangi is bred for being mold resistant.

I tried smoking a tiny bowl of the bangi haze but it was rather unpleasant due to the many tiny seed parts that were in the trim. I tried my best to remove them but still inhaled what tasted kind of like burned seeds which anyone who smoked 90s and 80s mexi brick would remember... The flavor that I did get was very lemon/grapefruit citrus mixed with exotic incense/spices. The high was actually very clear, uplifting and instantly I had a huge smile and felt extremly good and happy. I wish I would have been able to smoke more of it but there was just too many little seeds.

Each of the 3 Bangi Phenos had very very similar growth traits, heights, leaves, structure and bud development, however the terpene profile for all 3 females was quite different from each other. One of the phenos smelled like a very distinct blend of pine and beef stew (yes, beef stew... I smelled it like 10x just to make sure that I was smelling beef stew and it smelled exactly like the beef stew my mother used to make... very odd to say the least for a weed strain. The 2nd pheno smelled like a mixture of banana and grapefruit citrus with some lemon, and the 3rd phenotype smelled like Pine/mens collogne and exotic spices or incense. (reminded me of the brute 33 aftershave from back in the day).

The buds themselves were extremely leafy dispite being fairly dense, but instead of a single big bud with lots of calyx's, it was more similar to most sativas where a bud is made up of a lot of tiny little buds combined into a larger bud, so definitely this would not be a trimmers favorite by any means. Trichome development was not the best and subpar compared to a lot of "modern" strains, however since this is a F9, generally a imbred line like this loses trichome development over the stages of imbreeding which is fairly common. I am expecting though in some of the hybrid crosses to see some hybrid vigor, which I think may bring some very special things :)

Overall for a F9 landrace majority strain, its definitely a nice representation of landrace genetics, worked to be a decent commercially available plant that would compete. For a 100% sativa, a 74 day flowering cycle is fairly quick where one could probably run this outdoors as well as indoors.

Unfortunately my GDP and my Ogiesel did not make this breeding project. My GDP was an old mother that was in poor health when I put it into flowering and about mid cycle died. I wasn't able to get a Ogiesel vegged large enough in time for the project so unfortunately it got left out as well. I did however breed the bangi haze with: mendo grape kush, harlequin, gorilla glue, skywalker OG, private researve og, trainwreck, and black cherry soda.

Well here are my breeding notes that I will use for future reference:


Well here are the photos now of the seed harvest, as well as a few photos of the dried Bangi Haze cola's.














great to see another pollen chucker here, hey ive seen you around at :rollit: riu i think? below are my 2019 pollen chuck results , growing some of these babies out now
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Usually you would take a line at say F3 and choose 2 females and 2 males and breed them as 2 separate lines. Once you get to say F7 or F8 and both lines are relatively stable you choose a female from Line A and a male from Line B and they will be your new P1 generation and should reestablish hybrid Vigor.
Yep.. exactly!
 
great to see another pollen chucker here, hey ive seen you around at :rollit: riu i think? below are my 2019 pollen chuck results , growing some of these babies out now
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Wow.. quite a collection! Looks like mine :) lol Been a busy year for seeds in 2019 for many! Nice haul!
 
cheers, though many of those wont make the grade so insured against that lol, what are you going to breed with next after this?

One of my close friends that is testing out some of my creations send me 3 Jesus OG seeds (TGA) that he had left over from a couple grows a few years ago. I have been holding on to them for at least 2 years and he really emphasized that he would encourage me to incorporate them into my next breeding project as he was blown away by their buds.

After we went back and forth with the seeds I had on stock and what would pair nicely with the Jesus OG, we both selected the God's Gift seeds I got from hazeman, therefore creating the strain "Holy Spirit = Jesus OG x Gods Gift".

I tried popping 1 of the Jesus OG seeds the normal way I germinate, which is R/O water, drop the seed in, put it on my range stove top (warm due to pilot light) and usually within 24-48 hours most seeds pop. Well the 1st seed didn't crack on its own therefore I tried with a knife to open it, got it cracked open and put it in soil, but nothing emerged. On the 2nd seeds I did the same procedure, but also bought some Gibberellic Acid to use in the water soak, as I have read GA will increase the odds of germinating old seeds. (although also heard some negative feedback that I was ruining the gene pool from someone commenting on my IG page). I tried it anyways because if a seed doesn't pop, that also effects the gene pool IMO...lol but unfortunately this seed didn't crack on its own either. I have 1 seed of the Jesus OG left and I'm not sure if I wan't to try to pop it, or if I should send it back to my buddy in fear that I can't get it going. He told me to try the paper towel method, which I never had good success with, the water method always worked for me so I don't want to "experiment" with a new unused method which I never had success with.

Therefore I am debating whether I will continue the project above, or move on to something different. I have a ton of gear I still want to get to, and the top 6 choices that I would pick from for the next project would be:

DJ short blueberry
Fruity Pebbles OG
Chocolate Thai
88G13 hashplant
Gods Gift
La Pure Kush
Pine Tar Kush (preservation project from CSI humbold, real deal Pine Tar Kush)

I have about 10 other choices also that would make good ones to run, but those 6 really I would love to get going soon.

I think if I could narrow that list down, it probably would be Fruity Pebbles OG, Gods Gift or LA Pure kush since all 3 have OG kush in them and I havent yet made a OG cross, to pair with my Skywalker OG, private reserve og, Ogiesel.

Still undecided.

I was also thinking about maybe trying out a tissue culture kit with the last Jesus OG seed, but for that it will take some time and money to really make sure I buy everything I need, and do it right. I don't really have the space for doing such, so not sure yet what will be next.

The next immediate project will be the Apollo 13 F4's which are in veg right now, just awaiting me to clean out the other tent, and for all of my clones of the mothers to root and be put in soil.
 
Jesus OG is part of JinxProof's 9# Hammer. It was the male he used I believe. The 9 Pound Hammer was one of TGA's best selling strains until Jinx went his own way. If you can get it going I am sure it will be something worth running. Short of that, I would like to see that FPOG get run. It is a strain i have been wanting to buy for a while and just have not had the stars align yet. The FPOGxWedding Cake I ran was much nicer than the cup winning cut of Wedding Cake I had been running on its own.
 
I'd encourage you to do whatever you could to pop the Jesus OG. There are quite a few techniques for older seeds and most use tactics such as scarifying, scraping slightly, using GA and I think humic acid.

Personally I like dropping seed in water overnight then into paper towels between two small plates near a heat source.

I'll just pray for it to germinate when its time comes.
 
One of my close friends that is testing out some of my creations send me 3 Jesus OG seeds (TGA) that he had left over from a couple grows a few years ago. I have been holding on to them for at least 2 years and he really emphasized that he would encourage me to incorporate them into my next breeding project as he was blown away by their buds.

After we went back and forth with the seeds I had on stock and what would pair nicely with the Jesus OG, we both selected the God's Gift seeds I got from hazeman, therefore creating the strain "Holy Spirit = Jesus OG x Gods Gift".

I tried popping 1 of the Jesus OG seeds the normal way I germinate, which is R/O water, drop the seed in, put it on my range stove top (warm due to pilot light) and usually within 24-48 hours most seeds pop. Well the 1st seed didn't crack on its own therefore I tried with a knife to open it, got it cracked open and put it in soil, but nothing emerged. On the 2nd seeds I did the same procedure, but also bought some Gibberellic Acid to use in the water soak, as I have read GA will increase the odds of germinating old seeds. (although also heard some negative feedback that I was ruining the gene pool from someone commenting on my IG page). I tried it anyways because if a seed doesn't pop, that also effects the gene pool IMO...lol but unfortunately this seed didn't crack on its own either. I have 1 seed of the Jesus OG left and I'm not sure if I wan't to try to pop it, or if I should send it back to my buddy in fear that I can't get it going. He told me to try the paper towel method, which I never had good success with, the water method always worked for me so I don't want to "experiment" with a new unused method which I never had success with.

Therefore I am debating whether I will continue the project above, or move on to something different. I have a ton of gear I still want to get to, and the top 6 choices that I would pick from for the next project would be:

DJ short blueberry
Fruity Pebbles OG
Chocolate Thai
88G13 hashplant
Gods Gift
La Pure Kush
Pine Tar Kush (preservation project from CSI humbold, real deal Pine Tar Kush)

I have about 10 other choices also that would make good ones to run, but those 6 really I would love to get going soon.

I think if I could narrow that list down, it probably would be Fruity Pebbles OG, Gods Gift or LA Pure kush since all 3 have OG kush in them and I havent yet made a OG cross, to pair with my Skywalker OG, private reserve og, Ogiesel.

Still undecided.

I was also thinking about maybe trying out a tissue culture kit with the last Jesus OG seed, but for that it will take some time and money to really make sure I buy everything I need, and do it right. I don't really have the space for doing such, so not sure yet what will be next.

The next immediate project will be the Apollo 13 F4's which are in veg right now, just awaiting me to clean out the other tent, and for all of my clones of the mothers to root and be put in soil.
you have some nice types there to play around with, read a fair bit about the Jesus OG by TGA, she comes through well by all accounts, shame they are not germinating, possibly your friend had them for some time before passing them on?
be interesting to see that tissue culture & how it works, have never seen anyone do it before?
which bank offers the Apollo 13? i remember around 2003 had some apollo 11 growing out, was a really good mostly Sativa type, cant remember which bank stocked that one? good luck with your upcoming projects!
 
you have some nice types there to play around with, read a fair bit about the Jesus OG by TGA, she comes through well by all accounts, shame they are not germinating, possibly your friend had them for some time before passing them on?
be interesting to see that tissue culture & how it works, have never seen anyone do it before?
which bank offers the Apollo 13? i remember around 2003 had some apollo 11 growing out, was a really good mostly Sativa type, cant remember which bank stocked that one? good luck with your upcoming projects!


Yea I believe that the seeds he gave me i've had for at least 2 years. Up until recently I wasn't storing them properly so it very well could be possible that the combo of improper storage, and time have made these seeds difficult to germ. He said he had them for 2 cycles so I would guess these are about 4 years old. I will have to try the last one to see what happens.

Not sure who currently offers Apollo 13. I got mine from a breeders private collection with the promise I would make more and give him back some. I've read amazing things about Apollo 13 and from what I have read it makes most strains better that are crossed with it... So far Apollo 13 has done some unusual things (males producing pollen in veg, and the stems "leaking" some kind of sap or resin).

I will have to try my best over the next 2 weeks to get that Jesus OG popped. I'm going to read up on it. I guess worst case scenario, the seeds are still available out there in the market. :)
 
Yeah I am going to have to remember to write my collection into my will

Interested in adopting a 50+ year old stoner for a son? :battingeyelashes:

Overall if the opportunity could present itself.. my "dream" in this industry would be to have a legal, licensed breeding facility where I had about 30 rooms, all identical that I could have different breeding projects going, pheno hunt, have an onsite lab with HPLC equipment to run tests, and maybe even a staff geneticist who could run the DNA and isolate certain markers to select based on DNA sequence instead of having to run full cycles and manually select.

It's a great dream, Brother! You should put a plan together and bring it to some people in the industry.

I just have too much good going on in my life to potentially jeopordize it by selling something illegally.

Very smart! :thumb:

Growing out 1%....hmm.... what 1% of... well.. nevermind.. LOL. That actually could be achievable but not in my current space as that would definitely require a staff and warehouse

Well, when you get your staff and warehouse, make sure you let me know when it's time to come help smoke it all! :high-five: :goodluck:
 
Hey everyone... So quick update on my seed germination attempts with the Jesus og...

Well 2 of the 3 seeds I tried to pop didn't crack naturally and even when put in the soil after forceful opening, they did not sprout. I was down to my final seed and I didn't want to mess it up, therefore I did some more reading and decided to try all techniques together that have been known to ensure good seed germ rates.

Therefore I:
  • Filled a dual shotglass full of 100ml of 3% hydrogen peroxide (extra oxygen over water)
  • Added 2 drops of superthrive (vitamin b1)
  • Added 0.1 gram of Gibberallic Acid (crystalized)... (makes a 1000ppm solution with 100ml water. Supposedly you are supposed to dilute it in alcohol first, then boil off the alcohol and then add it to water. I didn't add alcohol as I didn't want to ruin the seeds, so I just added the 1
  • used a cheap nail file on the seed and roughed up all edges, sides and surface of the seed to help with water absorption and also opening.
  • dropped the seed into the solution above
  • put the shotglass on my gas range stove over the pilot light to heat it up and keep it warm.

And after 2 days (approx 48 hours) I looked in the solution and there the seed was, floating on the top of the solution (due to air bubbles that formed from the hydrogen peroxide), and the seed has split wide open and the little white root was coming out!!!! SWEET!!!!

Therefore the Jesus OG will be a single plant in my next seed run (depending on how it does) I may keep it afterwords. I spoke with my buddy to share the news of the last seed sprouting and he was as happy as I was. The only drawback is he told me that this was not the original seed from TGA. He said he planted the TGA ones, and it seeded, so he took the seeds and planted them the following year and it seeded again, which is the seed that I have. To me, that means it either was a hermi that self pollinated, or it was from a bee or other surrounding plant that spread pollen therefore not pure... I was a little bummed after hearing it was not the regular TGA seed, and most likely was from a hermi. I'm doing it for him, and he has been doing me a favor by testing my creations, so I don't mind. I will have to be extremely careful though to inspect the Jesus OG as it grows to make sure it doesn't hermi on me. If it does, it will be culled immediatly.

With that being said, I am going to hope for the best and will be running the Hazeman "Gods Gift" that I picked up from Hazeman about a year or 2 ago... Gods gift is a cross of GDP and OG kush which will actually really be nice as I don't have a OG heavy male that I have used for breeding yet, so the Gods gift should provide. I really like the strain gods gift anyhow, and it also will give me the chance to breed it with my GDP female, so I will hopefully get some GDP leaning progeny. Also since I have skywalker OG, Ogiesel and Private Reserve OG I will have some OG leaning progeny as well which I look forward to.

My buddy and I have already came up with the name for the cross of Jesus OG x Gods gift which will be "holy spirit" or "holy spirit OG" I'm hoping all goes smooth with the Jesus OG as I have heard nothing but good about the strain.

Well, the Jesus OG is in the soil, 8 Gods Gift seeds are currently in water, and tomorrow I will be heading to the hydro store to get some fresh soil and worm castings as I will be needing it very shortly :)

I also finally got around to cleaning out my flowering tent, and the entire Apollo 13 project has been moved over to that tent to prep for flowering. I won't be flowering it out until I know for sure that all of my clones have rooted and are in soil, so most likely it will be around the new year :)
 
Let’s hope for a fire pheno of the Jesus OG, I really wanted to see that cross.
My thoughts exactly!!! I'm really hoping the pheno is good, its a female, and its not a hermie :)

I'm actually really excited about running the gods gift too... I really like this strain and havent had it in quite a few years. Pretty much the same thing as Purple Punch but just older, but similar parent strains.
 
Interested in adopting a 50+ year old stoner for a son? :battingeyelashes:



It's a great dream, Brother! You should put a plan together and bring it to some people in the industry.



Very smart! :thumb:



Well, when you get your staff and warehouse, make sure you let me know when it's time to come help smoke it all! :high-five: :goodluck:


Haha!!

Yea I bought the winning powerball ticket today (hopefully) and if I win then I definitely will be getting myself going legally... Lets just hope that the numbers match :) lol

Honestly to get into the industry in Cali is wayyy to expensive (legally) as there is still about 80 percent of the cities that banned cannabis businesses. In cali, the way it works is first you need to get the city approval (Conditional use permit). Since most of the cities banned cannabis businesses, the land which is zoned for cannabis in the 20% allowing cities has skyrocketed in price, where even renting a warehouse went from $1-2/per square feet to $10-15/sqft in cannabis zones. Buying real estate is expensive too in cannabis zones. Lets say that a 5000sq ft building is $1M in a non cannabis zone, the same property in a cannabis zone might be fetching $5-10 million... Therefore just to even accomplish the 1st step towards licensing is extremely costly where you need to have corporate investors or financing. The problem with this is that when you are in the legal cannabis industry, EVERYONE thinks you have tons of money, and wants a ton of money from you... Every single vendor you deal with charges a premium because its "the cannabis industry". Even investment firms will make sure they take their fair share, and yours, just to work an investment and set unrealistic terms that most people cant make. Its really tough getting funding in this industry.

So realistically I would have to pick up and move to a cheaper state to even get close to becoming a legal business in the industry but even if that happened, the next big issue to run into is banking... Federal banks don't want anything to do with you if you are in the cannabis industry, state banks mostly wont deal with cannabis businesses, credit unions same thing... so its a constant chase of finding a financial instituion that will work with you. (Its hard to accept a wire for $3Million when you don't have a bank account to put it in).

Therefore I will just have to hope that this lottery ticket in my pocket is a winner. Then maybe I can figure out how to fund my dream without having to deal with greedy investment firms and shady banks.

Its a good dream though... until then, I will just pollen chuck until my heart is content :)
 
Hey everyone!!

Hope everyone is getting ready for the holidays!!! I know I'm ready!!!

Quick update:

8 gods gift seeds (hazeman) were popped into a H2O2 and Water blend about 4 days ago. Thus far 6 of the 8 cracked and are now in soil. What is odd is the 1st 2 seeds that popped, the shell cracked all the way open and the entire root/cotyleden came out and was floating in the water. I very very carefully planted them in the soil as I normally do with seeds, but I am not sure if they will make it or not due to that. The other 4 which have cracked showed just the small taproot like normal. I'm hoping that the 2 remaining seeds will pop so I can better my chances of a good pheno female as well as multiple males.

The Jesus OG seed that I put in soil still has not emerged from the soil yet, so I am hoping over the next few days we will see some sprouts.

Other than that I will be getting my automatic drip system and pumps ready for my holiday trip. (So glad that it worked last year). I purchased a slightly more powerful pump than the original so 2 of the same GPH rating pumps will work together, as last year I used 1 less powerful one and it just didn't have the power to really get a good drip going through the entire tube so hopefully this will work great :)

I also have put a single clone of all of my "mothers" plants into soil as the all have rooted. A few had very long robust root systems, but a couple others only had very minimal roots so I am going to wait on flipping the Apollo project to flowering until next weekend to make sure that all of the ladies rooted well.

Have a great week everyone! I will try to update with some photos before I leave :)
 
Quick update on the God's Gift/Jesus OG upcomming project.

8 of the Gods gift seeds were put into water which always is my go-to method of germinating. 2 of the seeds cracked first and for some reason the seeds cracked wide open and the entire taproot and embryo with cotyledon came out and was floating in the water. Those were put in soil about a week ago...

of the remaining 6 seeds, 5 cracked and the taproot showed and all were placed into soil about a week ago as well (a couple took longer). Of the 5 seeds in soil. so far 3 of them have emerged from the soil, 1 seems to be struggling and 2 look healthy. 2 of the others have yet to pop out of the soil, and the other 2 mentioned above which separted from the seed, also have not come up out of the soil. I'm hoping over the next week more will pop, but only time will tell. 1 seed is still soaking in water and has not popped yet.

Therefore out of 8 seeds, 7 cracked and right now only 2 1/2 have germed (the 1/2 is the one that popped out of the soil but thus far hasn't shown its cotyledons yet.

The Jesus OG also has not popped out of the soil yet.

Its really odd that so far this has been my worst attempt at germinating seeds using the same techniques that always give me 80% to 100% success and with the Jesus OG even going the extra mile using all known methods including H2O2 and GA.

I will give it time and hopefully I will at least have enough seedlings pop of the gods gift to hopefully have a male and female. If I get back from my trip and don't see better results, I do have 2 seeds left of the Gods gift that I will pop in water when I return from my vacation.

Hoping that this will be a success as Gods Gift is really an amazing strain!
 
Happy Holidays everyone!!!!!

No progress in the Gods Gift Seeds (only 3 so far have sprouted) 2 look normal, one is very distorted and not growing. No sign of any of the others. (may have to pop a few new seeds when I get back from vacation).

I decided to give the Apollo 13 project 1 more week of vegging while I'm gone on vacation before I flip it to flowering. I got my auto drip system all set for while I'm away and hopefully it works as good as it did last year.

Well everyone, happy holidays and Merry Christmas!!!
 
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