Icemud LED Grow Featuring The All New Budmaster COB Technology - White Full Spectrum

[Icemud]

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I didn't catch your post on Azomite Icemud, but reading this I'm assuming your concerned about introducing the metals contained within it to the soil growing cannabis?

I find these studies geared to finding something terribly dangerous in cannabis to be suspect. I realize the results they got were valid, and there's a justifiable concern about the toxicity of the Ethopian soil, but there were a couple things in there I found crazy. They still smoke leaves in Ethopia? I find that unlikely. An area of the world that would grow fabulous buds without effort and they smoke leaves? I think not. Of course, the people doing this study, looking for problems, weren't aware of the basic fact that it's the buds we smoke.

I found it notable that they tested no humans known to consume this Ethopian cannabis to determine if, in fact, any of this becomes a problem in the human system. The obvious solution to the problem is grow in better soil.

And yes, I understand that this is your basic contention - grow in better soil without the addition of Azomite. Am I correct here?

I love the fact that you post this deliciously technical data. It's fun to read. With all the papers I've been reading lately for the study hall I'm beginning to understand the language of research well enough to catch it the first time through.

Hey sweet sue....

Here is a repost of the two topics I posted...

So the thought of today is...


I was at work today and researching different drying, curing and processing methods for commercial scale grows, and was researching clean room practices to ensure no contaminiation, and prevention methods of molds, fungi and bacteria. What I found out that many of the "serious" contaminates that can be found on cannabis buds and edibles are present in soil normally. This even includes E coli, listeria and other bad contaminates. I also found information that cannabis is very good at "sucking up" heavy metals such as mercury, lead, silver, gold...etc....

So my thought was... for my personal garden. My quest has been to grow the best bud I can, without using any harmful pesticides or anything and the goal is to raise a healthy soil microlife. Now after knowing that most of these "bad contaminates" are found in normal soil, would hydroponics actually be a healthier alternative? Not only would you be ridding the soil which can host many of these bad things, but also using products like azomite which contains Lead, Thorium, Uranium, Iodine, mercury, arsenic, and probably other trace elements that aren't that great for us. So it seems that they can be uptaken by the plant, so should I no longer use Azomite? Should I consider switching to a hydro system since then nutrients and trace minerals are already bonded for immediate uptake, and not containing the other harmful ones?

Just a thought but definitely would love to hear others opinions on this. I know with all the high brix stuff that a lot of us have experimented with, its all about mineralizing the soil as well as creating a happy soil biota, so do the good aerobic bacterias rid the bad ones? Is there any cause for concern? I know a couple years ago I thought about the use of Bat guano and the possible contaminates that could be in it, since bats carry a lot of bad diseases, and couldn't really find an answer.

Anyhow its not a switch I probably will be doing anytime soon, but I may seek another product instead of azomite since I read the analysis and I don't like seeing radioactive materials in it, as well as lead, arsenic and mercury.

Another thought to add to this was I was making compost teas using my premixed soil. Could this be a bad idea being that again many of these pathogens are normal to soil, could spraying them on the buds and leaves just be asking for trouble? I usually don't do this mid to late flowering, but it still makes me think. Maybe I will have to start budwashing again, with H2O2 to make sure that the buds are ok.

I also read that you could put your buds in the oven at 300F for 5 minutes which should kill many mold spores and other bacterias, not all, but a good sum of them, without effecting the thc. Might be a good practice to consider using maybe UV-C light, a budwash with H2O2? Not that I have ever had any problems with my personal buds but just as an extra precaution? I know when I lived in a non legal state and I smoked a lot of black market herbs, I constantly was getting throat infections, and bronchitus, at least 2-3 times a year. Once I moved to cali and didn't have to smoke black market bud anymore, I rarely ever get those issues. Could there be a link?

and as I researched more:

Yea that's the debate I am having. Hydro buds taste good and all, but for me the high just doesn't last like some good organic soil grown buds which seem to last much longer. Also the taste of organic soil grown is much better and complex in my opinion. So I'm wondering if the trade off is worth it.

Soft rock phosphate I just read is also contains a lot of lead and polonium, which both aren't good for us. The florida mined soft rock phosphate is much worse than other sources, but still makes me wonder.

Maybe I will use glacial rock dust instead or maybe zeolite if they analysis are better, and it looks like I wont be ordering soft rock phosphate from any florida mines... I wonder though how many of these "organic" things we use are actually not good for us when compared to mineral salts that I could use instead. Hmmmmm, more research I guess

I know that right now I can't make any changes and I really don't want to get rid of my 2-3 year old soil, but I think that in the near future I may start looking at replacing the soil and sourcing all the nutrients by analysis, instead of popularity and have definitely been thinking about maybe hydro in the future. Overall I know the very trace amounts I am using is probably a salt grain on a sandy beach when comapared to what actually can get uptaken, but its definitely a good concern as I don't want to be knowingly growing with anything that is considered to be harmful or could cause harm.

 

[Graytail]

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Hey Fuzzy,

I appreciate the suggestions. I'm pretty sure the culprit was that I added too much Ca which I believe will lock out many other nutrients and also raise the soil alkalinity, so I think that is where I went wrong. About every other feeding I add epsom salt to my water so it has to be a lockout because I know there should be plenty of mg in the soil from the constant feedings. I think though the Ca is the problem because I added humbold organic bloom and also humboldt organic equillibrium, One is a P supplement with 10% Ca and the other is a 1-1-2 with 12% Ca, so I think the Ca was way too high.

Remember that look some of our plants shared? Before I got RO I was using very hard 280ppm water and by the end of the second run in HB soil I started to have issues that got steadily worse. One of the early things was seeing a beautiful mid-veg plant go pale after a calcium nitrate feeding. It should have been the opposite. It was like I had poisoned it, and all I could come up with was some sort of shock from the calcium. Eventually I got RO and gave up on that soil. It may have been salt buildup which is what I blamed it on, but after awhile I've started to think it was a simple calcium/pH combo in the beginning. I was counting on the soil biota to control the pH and calcium, but I probably overloaded 'em.

 

[Icemud]

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Remember that look some of our plants shared? Before I got RO I was using very hard 280ppm water and by the end of the second run in HB soil I started to have issues that got steadily worse. One of the early things was seeing a beautiful mid-veg plant go pale after a calcium nitrate feeding. It should have been the opposite. It was like I had poisoned it, and all I could come up with was some sort of shock from the calcium. Eventually I got RO and gave up on that soil. It may have been salt buildup which is what I blamed it on, but after awhile I've started to think it was a simple calcium/pH combo in the beginning. I was counting on the soil biota to control the pH and calcium, but I probably overloaded 'em.

Hey Graytail,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on that, as that is pretty much the same conclusion I have come to. It seems to always happen when I use very high calcium concentration products. I will do more reading into this and see if I can dig up some info. It makes me think I'm on the right track since you have a similar hunch. hope all is well with you Graytail

 

[Icemud]

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Quick update:

Yesterday I gave the girls in the flowering tent a feeding. I went out and purchased some botanicare pro bloom which is derived from organic and natural ingredients. I used their grow for the first part of this grow and the plants seemed to do really well, so I decided to pick up the bloom and give it a try. I also picked up the botanicare cal/mag which I used on my first few grows and seemed to work really well. Its not organic, but derived from calcium nitrate which is ok with me if it works

The plants are doing really well at this time and should be a exciting next 30 days as they thicken and get ready for harvest


I also was at work yesterday looking at ideal temps and humidity and co2 levels for optimal cannabis production. I've heard the term VPD or Vapor Pressure Deficit and never really understood it, but its actually a very useful measurement which tells us how easily a plant can transpire water into the air. It actually shows that RH should be much higher than I run it at at the temps that normally are in my tent, so I will do some more reading into this and share the info

Have a great day everyone!

 

[SweetSue]

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Looking forward to the share Icemud. You have a great day too.

P.S. I love my GOD panel. I love having a panel I can call God.

 

[Icemud]

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Looking forward to the share Icemud. You have a great day too.

P.S. I love my GOD panel. I love having a panel I can call God.

Hey Sweet Sue! thanks for the weekend wishes Im having a wonderful day, and ready to start enjoying my weekend Pool party tomorrow with my fellow co workers, and best thing is, were in the weed biz, so my kind of party

Really happy to hear you are liking the GOD panels My Ogiesel which I have run under just about every light I have tested, turned out the best flavor ever under the GODs. I use that strain as my sort of tester, since I'm so used to it, and the GOD's did something special to it happy to hear you are loving the Budmasters Have a great weekend!

 

[Icemud]

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Day 34 flowering from the flip under Budmaster COB-X-4's.

Well I can't say enough good things about these COB lights and how my garden is doing under them. I can tell that right now, half way through the flowering I am very impressed with the look of the buds, the plant health, the trichome formation and what looks like is going to be an amazing yield


I fed the girls yesterday a mix of some compost tea I had bubbling, with the new botanicare pro bloom I picked up and some botanicare cal/mag plus. I added some potassium silicate to up the PH a little to the right range and fed the girls. I gave them a good 3x as much as usual so that I could help flush the soil slightly with some fresh new goodies, and saw just a little bit of run off. Today the girls seemed really happy and so things so far are going well

Other than that, not much else to report on today in the flowering tent. I will update the other 2 tents later this afternoon when they turn on

Here is some pics! Happy Weedkend everyone!

 

[Icemud]

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Here is an update of my vegging seed project tent under Budmaster GOD 8 and GOD 4 panels.

Hey everyone,

So about 3 days ago or so, I switched this tent from 18/6 to the Gas Lantern Routine, 12 on, 5.5 off, 1 on, 5.5 off and so far the ladies really seem to like it I've never had issues before with it so I'm sure everything will go as planned this run as well time to save some electricity and pocket money

So I decided it was time to transplant the remaining plants into 5 gallon square pots, and since I have 9 plants in the tent, only 8 could go into 5 gallon pots but I managed to arrange them so that the 9th plant could remain in the 3 gallon pot. I chose this extra plant to the the 2nd black cherry soda, which will be the one getting sprayed with colloidal silver Since I only need it to drop pollen and then I can trash it, I figured it was the best choice. I also wont be growing my plants large like I usually do, so there should be plenty of room for it to grow while its doing its thing.

I will be giving the girls a feeding of just r/o water, some humic acid, some 1-1-1 organic b vitamins, as well as I dunked a soil ball into the soil for a few hours and added a little molasses to get a good tea going. I will feed the girls tomorrow since the main rootballs still held some moisture, but not much.

Its much hotter today as the summer starts to swing in, so its a good test to see how these LED's do in my non AC apartment right now the extraction fans are only running about mid speed, and it seems to keep the temps within about 5F of the ambient temp outside the tents, so I should be good for most of the summer I also run my lights at night, so usually as the ocean breeze cools thing down and the sun sets, the lights come on and the tents stay cool

Well here are the photos of the vegging seed project tent under the GODs I still can't believe how bright these lights are... and only running at 1/2 power right now!

 

[Icemud]

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Here is an update of my mothers/veg tent.

Things are going great in this tent and the ladies are doing very well. I have my grow light at the top of the tent as I don't want to grow these girls extremely fast, as my flowering tent still has about 1 month until its ready, and I don't want to overgrow this one. I will be transplanting the girls in about 1 week to the 5 gallon pots where they will just veg until my flowering tent is clear and then they will get moved over, and clones taken.

After my seed project with the 1st round of black cherry soda is done, I also will be using these mothers to clone for the next round which will be my ogiesel round. I may change my mind though and do a different strain that I don't flower as often like my harlequin, so then I don't have to keep the mother plant alive and reduce my plant count and open up space for other things.

I gave the girls just a foliar spray of fulvic acid, epsom salts and b vitamins as well as used this in my other 2 tent. I wasn't going to spray my flowering girls anymore, but decided since there was salty residue on the leaves I would use this to help wash it off. The ppm was very very low so it was mostly just r/o water, but I needed to add something so that the pure r/o water didn't strip nutrients out of the plant.

Well things are going good in here too, here are the photos.

 

[jandre2k3]

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There are those icemud mega updates I love so much!

Lookin' good, bruh.

 

[Icemud]

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Remember that look some of our plants shared? Before I got RO I was using very hard 280ppm water and by the end of the second run in HB soil I started to have issues that got steadily worse. One of the early things was seeing a beautiful mid-veg plant go pale after a calcium nitrate feeding. It should have been the opposite. It was like I had poisoned it, and all I could come up with was some sort of shock from the calcium. Eventually I got RO and gave up on that soil. It may have been salt buildup which is what I blamed it on, but after awhile I've started to think it was a simple calcium/pH combo in the beginning. I was counting on the soil biota to control the pH and calcium, but I probably overloaded 'em.

Hey Graytail,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on that, as that is pretty much the same conclusion I have come to. It seems to always happen when I use very high calcium concentration products. I will do more reading into this and see if I can dig up some info. It makes me think I'm on the right track since you have a similar hunch. hope all is well with you Graytail

I have some time tonight to look into this more, and upon my first search I found these interesting tidbits about calcium:

source was a site called spectrumanalytic

Factors Affecting Ca Availability

Calcium is found in many of the primary or secondary minerals in the soil. In this state it is relatively insoluble. Calcium is not considered a leachable nutrient. However, over hundreds of years, it will move deeper into the soil. Because of this, and the fact that many soils are derived from limestone bedrock, many soils have higher levels of Ca, and a higher pH in the subsoil.

Soil pH: Acid soils have less Ca, and high pH soils normally have more. As the soil pH increases above pH 7.2, due to additional soil Ca, the additional "free" Ca is not adsorbed onto the soil. Much of the free Ca forms nearly insoluble compounds with other elements such as phosphorus (P), thus making P less available.

Soil CEC: Lower CEC soils hold less Ca, and high CEC soils hold more.

Cation competition: Abnormally high levels, or application rates of other cations, in the presence of low to moderate soil Ca levels tends to reduce the uptake of Ca.

Alkaline sodic soil (high sodium content): Excess sodium (Na) in the soil competes with Ca, and other cations to reduce their availability to crops.

Sub-soil or parent material: Soils derived from limestone, marl, or other high Ca minerals will tend to have high Ca levels, while those derived from shale or sandstone will tend to have lower levels.

Interactions

Other cations: Being a major cation, calcium availability is related to the soil CEC, and it is in competition with other major cations such as sodium (Na+), potassium (K+), magnesium (Mg++), Ammonium (NH4+), iron (Fe++), and aluminum (Al+++) for uptake by the crop.

High K applications have been known to reduce the Ca uptake in apples, which are extremely susceptible to poor Ca uptake and translocation within the tree.

Sodium(Na+): High levels of soil Na will displace Ca and lead to Ca leaching. This can result in poor soil structure and possible Na toxicity to the crop. Conversely, applications of soluble Ca, typically as gypsum, are commonly used to desalinate sodic soils through the displacement principle in reverse.

Phosphorus(P): As the soil pH is increased above pH 7.0, free or un-combined Ca begins to accumulate in the soil. This Ca is available to interact with other nutrients. Soluble P is an anion, meaning it has a negative charge. Any free Ca reacts with P to form insoluble (or very slowly soluble) Ca-P compounds that are not readily available to plants. Since there is typically much more available Ca in the soil than P, this interactions nearly always results in less P availability.

Iron(Fe++) and Aluminum(Al+++): As the pH of a soil decreases, more of these elements become soluble and combine with Ca to for essentially insoluble compounds.

Boron(B-): High soil or plant Calcium levels can inhibit B uptake and utilization. Calcium sprays and soil applications have been effectively used to help detoxify B over-applications.

I found the bolded parts very intersting, and part of what I may be seeing, the P sometimes in my purpled petioles and the leaf deficiency looks like MG and also some K, so it makes sense that with the higher than should calcium I am putting in, not only is the calcium bonding with the phophorus and making it unavailable to the plant immediately, but also I have a high CEC soil (I'm guessing due to the recycled soil with composted leaves, humic acids and volcanic pumice)

and then I found this... source was University of Wisconsin

Recently, paper mill lime sludge(mainly CaCO3) has become available as a calcitic liming material. Using this material as a source of calcium to bring Ca:Mg ratios into“balance” on soils not requiring lime can result in severe nutrient deficiencies.

Because of the presence of hydrated lime, Ca(OH)2, in paper mill lime sludge, soil pH values can quickly reach 9.0 when excessive quantities are applied. Under such conditions, trace elements as well as magnesium can become deficient.

Gypsum (CaSO4) and calcitic limestone (CaCO3) often may be recommended to balance Ca:Mg ratios. However, continued application of gypsum or calcitic lime results in wide Ca:Mg ratios. This may give rise to magnesium-deficient forage which causes grass tetany in grazing animals. Once this stage is reached, it becomes very expensive to add sufficient magnesium to remedy the situation.

If you choose a liming material lowin magnesium, be careful to avoid magnesium deficiencies. High calcium applications alone can decrease soil and plant magnesium levels. If the soil is acid and originally has a low magnesium content, adding a calcitic (low Mg) liming material or high rates of

gypsum could induce a magnesium deficiency.

So after reading through this write up, I can even see more that not only do I add calcium carbonate to my soil as well as gypsum and fish bone meal and crab shell meal, but also my humbold nutrients bloom is a 0-10-0 soft rock phosphate liquid with 10% calcium, and humboldt nutrients equilibrium is a 12%-1% cal/mg derived from calcium carbonate and other calcium source.

So with all this calcium going in my soil, it seems that its most likely raising my ph too high and also "taking over" my soil and not allowing for other nutrients to be up taken by the plant. I think I am going to try to stay off or very low with anything calcium based for a while and see how things look. I'm almost certain after reading just a few pages of different articles and studies, that this may be the issue. I also don't think I will re-amend my soil with anything calcium based for a while. Maybe I will fork up some money and get a soil test done of my current recycled soil, which would clue me in much more to where I am at.

 

[millertm]

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I've seen PH issues using Ca and MG. Coco is one of those substrates that will pull Ca/Mg from plant, it also has a higher PH and needs to be flushed first to lower it down prior to use. I also see same issue with K potash. Great stuff for plants but pushes up PH like crazy. Great information as always Ice.

Cheers

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[Hozona]

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Trying to catch up on some journals today!
Looking good Icemud Looks like just enough to keep you busy

 

[Icemud]

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Trying to catch up on some journals today!
Looking good Icemud Looks like just enough to keep you busy

Hey Hozona! I have to do that this week, I'm slacking haha glad to see you! hope your weekend was amazing!

 

[photos]

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killer plants man

 

[Icemud]

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killer plants man

Thanks Photos!

 

[ShiggityFlip]

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Morning Ice! Looks like the jungle keeps going well!

 

[Icemud]

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Morning Ice! Looks like the jungle keeps going well!

Hey ShiggityFlip!

Happy Monday man, hope you had a great weekend!

So far extremely happy with how the grow is going should be an excellent harvest as long as I don't mess anything up..LOL

 

[Icemud]

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Day 37 flowering update:

Today makes day 37 from the flip in my flowering tent under the budmaster cob grow lights and things are looking amazing so far. For about 1/2 way through the flowering stage, the plants have really gained a lot of trichomes, and the buds are really starting to fill in from the lower nodes. These COB lights are really exceeding my expectations and I am absolutely impressed with them!

The plants smell amazing too and the terps are really building as well.

I mixed up a batch of a mix of earthjuice and botanicare nutrients for my next feeding and its currently bubbling waiting for the ph to come up. The plants probably wont need water at least until tomorrow if not wednesday so should be perfect timing as usually it takes about 48 hours for the PH to increase to optimal levels I have to say now that I am more PH conscious, my plants seem to be much healthier. I'm not really adding anything different to the mix, and no up/down other than occasionally some potassium silicate for up, and fish ferts for down.. Definitely though I'm seeing a huge difference in trichome formation though

Here are today's photos

 

[millertm]

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Nice color, still few white hairs but lovey orange colors. Looking well in your garden.

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