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COB grow is coming along nicely & eager to see the girls flower under them :high-five:

High brix ah, do you still measure leaf juice with a refractometer these days... i know you had forum thread about it some time ago !

I rarely check them, sometimes when they are in mid flowering I will check, but since I'm not growing with high brix in mind lately I haven't really been taking readings. Maybe in a few days if I have some time I will take a few readings to see where things are at :)
 
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New Experiment: Isopropyl Alcohol Cannabis Leaf topical


So a while back I was talking to my dad about cannabis and all the benefits and he had told me about a mexican man he worked with who uses cannabis leaves and isopropyl alcohol for a topical pain relief. He said that the man's whole family in mexico uses this topical rub to treat pain and said it worked better than anything you could commercially buy. From what he said they just pull the leaves off the cannabis plant, put them in a bottle/jar of isopropyl alcohol and let it sit for a while, and then when they have pain it is rubbed on the skin in the area of the pain and it takes it away.... (not to be used orally!!!!!)

About 2 months later after this discussion I was browsing the news and spotted an article that also was saying the same thing that the cannabis/iso mix is a mexican remedy and has been used for generations for pain.

So that brings me tonight.... A buddy called me who is same age as me, mid 30's with severe back pain and wanted to know my thoughts on using cannabis products for his pain. He doesn't like taking "pills" or pharma solutions so he wanted to know if CBD would work and what kinds of products are available on the market. After seeing that the average small container of CBD rub is upwards of $80, I remembered the conversation with my dad about the old mexican topical rub with cannabis leaves.

Well I decided to give it a try. I sourced a few different articles and some said that you should use dry cannabis buds, some said dry leaves, some say fresh leaves.... and from what I remember my dad telling me about his mexican buddy, he also uses fresh leaves. Each source said that you should use at least 70% or higher isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol, so I found some 91% on sale (buy 1 get 1 free, Score!!!) and picked up a few bottles.

Well I didn't want to spend time jamming leaves into the little neck of the iso bottle, so I had a mason jar that was clean and decided that it would work, so I started pulling leaves off my plants that are about ready to flower. ( I needed to defoliate anyways) haha

I tried mainly to take leaves off the harlequin plant being that it is high CBD, but then I remember reading somewhere that a lot of CBD is present in cannabis leaves, and typically indica's are higher in CBD so I pulled some leaves off a few of my more indica dominant plants. I filled the mason jar up with leaves, ran some water into it, shook it good to clean the leaves and then let the water run into the sink.

I then grabbed my scissors and started hacking at the leaves to chop them into tiny pieces, which then reduced the jar to about 1/2 full so I went back to my tent for another handful of leaves. Rinse, shake dry, chopped and into the jar they went. At this point the jar was about 3/4 full of chopped fresh cannabis leaves.

Then I grabbed one of the bottles of Isopropyl alcohol and filled up the mason jar to the top, leaving about 1/2 space for air, closed the lid on tight and shook it really hard for about 2 minutes.

According to most of the articles I read about using Iso to extract the cannabinoids, most suggested to shake the jar about every 2-3 days, and you want to leave it sit in a cool, dark place for at least 15-30 days.

Well in this case it probably won't help my buddies back pain out, but if this works, I will always have pain relief on hand, compliments of my premixed iso extract. :)

I decided to try using fresh leaves first and see how well they work, and if its not strong enough I can always add some dried buds to the jars, but I think for this batch I will just use leaves to see if they have any effect, and how well it works :) I'm excited to try it, but I will not wish for pain :) lol, I will just take it as it comes time to time from my bad back (broke it when I was young) and from my beat up ex-athlete body.


Well I will let everyone know how it works in about a month, but I wanted to share the idea here for anyone who wants to try making a nice topical cannabis extract for pain, for literally a few bucks :) Now lets see if it works :)

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I am dying to find out Icemud! That sure would be nice if it works! :circle-of-love:

I hope so too, Just found a ton of information on transdermal medications.. will take me a while to sort through it all but it looks like there are many oils which also can be used for a similar application. I will have to do some research on the carrier oils as well as look into infusing them with cannabis and other essential oils :) would be fun to have a bunch of different ones for different ailments :)
 
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"... (not to be used orally!!!!!)" try ethanol. . .
I hope so too, Just found a ton of information on transdermal medications.. will take me a while to sort through it all but it looks like there are many oils which also can be used for a similar application. I will have to do some research on the carrier oils as well as look into infusing them with cannabis and other essential oils :) would be fun to have a bunch of different ones for different ailments :)
OOOh! Like one with "Harlequin" (or other CBD), and one with Indicas, and one with Sativas!
 
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New Experiment: Isopropyl Alcohol Cannabis Leaf topical


So a while back I was talking to my dad about cannabis and all the benefits and he had told me about a mexican man he worked with who uses cannabis leaves and isopropyl alcohol for a topical pain relief. He said that the man's whole family in mexico uses this topical rub to treat pain and said it worked better than anything you could commercially buy. From what he said they just pull the leaves off the cannabis plant, put them in a bottle/jar of isopropyl alcohol and let it sit for a while, and then when they have pain it is rubbed on the skin in the area of the pain and it takes it away.... (not to be used orally!!!!!)

About 2 months later after this discussion I was browsing the news and spotted an article that also was saying the same thing that the cannabis/iso mix is a mexican remedy and has been used for generations for pain.

So that brings me tonight.... A buddy called me who is same age as me, mid 30's with severe back pain and wanted to know my thoughts on using cannabis products for his pain. He doesn't like taking "pills" or pharma solutions so he wanted to know if CBD would work and what kinds of products are available on the market. After seeing that the average small container of CBD rub is upwards of $80, I remembered the conversation with my dad about the old mexican topical rub with cannabis leaves.

Well I decided to give it a try. I sourced a few different articles and some said that you should use dry cannabis buds, some said dry leaves, some say fresh leaves.... and from what I remember my dad telling me about his mexican buddy, he also uses fresh leaves. Each source said that you should use at least 70% or higher isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol, so I found some 91% on sale (buy 1 get 1 free, Score!!!) and picked up a few bottles.

Well I didn't want to spend time jamming leaves into the little neck of the iso bottle, so I had a mason jar that was clean and decided that it would work, so I started pulling leaves off my plants that are about ready to flower. ( I needed to defoliate anyways) haha

I tried mainly to take leaves off the harlequin plant being that it is high CBD, but then I remember reading somewhere that a lot of CBD is present in cannabis leaves, and typically indica's are higher in CBD so I pulled some leaves off a few of my more indica dominant plants. I filled the mason jar up with leaves, ran some water into it, shook it good to clean the leaves and then let the water run into the sink.

I then grabbed my scissors and started hacking at the leaves to chop them into tiny pieces, which then reduced the jar to about 1/2 full so I went back to my tent for another handful of leaves. Rinse, shake dry, chopped and into the jar they went. At this point the jar was about 3/4 full of chopped fresh cannabis leaves.

Then I grabbed one of the bottles of Isopropyl alcohol and filled up the mason jar to the top, leaving about 1/2 space for air, closed the lid on tight and shook it really hard for about 2 minutes.

According to most of the articles I read about using Iso to extract the cannabinoids, most suggested to shake the jar about every 2-3 days, and you want to leave it sit in a cool, dark place for at least 15-30 days.

Well in this case it probably won't help my buddies back pain out, but if this works, I will always have pain relief on hand, compliments of my premixed iso extract. :)

I decided to try using fresh leaves first and see how well they work, and if its not strong enough I can always add some dried buds to the jars, but I think for this batch I will just use leaves to see if they have any effect, and how well it works :) I'm excited to try it, but I will not wish for pain :) lol, I will just take it as it comes time to time from my bad back (broke it when I was young) and from my beat up ex-athlete body.


Well I will let everyone know how it works in about a month, but I wanted to share the idea here for anyone who wants to try making a nice topical cannabis extract for pain, for literally a few bucks :) Now lets see if it works :)

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I'll be making a jar of this today!!! Thanks for the info icemud! I'll post pics later
 
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"... (not to be used orally!!!!!)" try ethanol. . .
OOOh! Like one with "Harlequin" (or other CBD), and one with Indicas, and one with Sativas!

Yep, and not only that, but I found out that different terpenes and essential oils have different healing effects, so one could be for pain, one could be for sleep, one could be for health...and so on :) so many possibilities.
 
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Awesome experiment icemud! I posted a link to this in smokeater's thread. He has chronic severe back pain and will be having his first harvest very soon! That means plenty of extra leaves to give this a try. The more Meds he can get out of a single plant the longer they will last!

I found plenty of resources online by typing in "isopropyl alcohol cannabis transdermal" and it seems that many people have used this for years for pain and rheumatism. I hope it works like its supposed to, there will be a lot of painless people I know :)
 
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Yep, and not only that, but I found out that different terpenes and essential oils have different healing effects, so one could be for pain, one could be for sleep, one could be for health...and so on :) so many possibilities.
So, you are talking about adding Essential Oil/s to the alcohol/leaf mix to use a topical rub for many different things.
An example I'm thinking of could be adding lavender EO'S to some of the alcohol and use it for pain relief and aromatherapy for a sleep aid?
Or adding tea tree oil to also assist with pain?
 
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Hey DrBob! Thank you! I'm very interested in this seed project as well. I wish I could have gotten around to it earlier but the light tests kept postponing it. I really want to at least make sure I have feminized seeds of my favorite strains, then I can reduce the amount of actual plants that I need to have on hand as well as to preserve the genetics :)

I've lost some killer genetics over the years and I would hate to have that happen to strains like my Black Cherry Soda which I have no clue if I ever could replace it, so that is why I'm starting with the BCS. Plus with its grape/fruit punch flavor, I think it would match excellent with some of the other favorites I have too :) should be a fun project, and more fun after its done :)

Just get grafting yourself a mom with multiple strains, its loads easier then ya think lol)
 
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Another "Did you know" moment, brought to you by Icemud....haha


Did you know, that studies have been done where the color of the soil cover was changed, and just by changing the light that is reflected back up from the ground to the leaves, that this can effect the morphology of a plant, as well as increase terepenes......

The ground covers that worked the best were green and red......

The reason..... the light reflected does not reflect all colors from the ground covers, but it enhances the ratio of Red/Far Red without increasing the PPFD (intensity) and with the higher ratio of Red/Far red, the plants were shown to increase their terpene amounts...

Interesting :)

Who would have thought that reflected light off the ground could make this change happen in plants :)


I need some Martian soil! :)
 
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Are you going to plant a ground cover crop in your containers? This is something I've been thinking about for a while now.:Love:
 
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So, you are talking about adding Essential Oil/s to the alcohol/leaf mix to use a topical rub for many different things.
An example I'm thinking of could be adding lavender EO'S to some of the alcohol and use it for pain relief and aromatherapy for a sleep aid?
Or adding tea tree oil to also assist with pain?

Yep :) Now I've been reading a lot about it but not quite ready to make the E/O with a carrier oil yet. I'm going to start out with the iso based rub and see how it does, and then go from there. Ideally though, it would be awesome to research E/O's and cater the blend to the ailment that I'm targeting :) will be a fun experiment :)
 
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Just get grafting yourself a mom with multiple strains, its loads easier then ya think lol)

Hmmmm... trying to make me do more research i see :) I like it! Thanks for the suggestion LA! I will look into it as a possible future project :) sounds fun :)
 
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I have some. . . .

Haha!!!

Some Moon Dust would be awesome too :) haha
 
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Are you going to plant a ground cover crop in your containers? This is something I've been thinking about for a while now.:Love:

I've thought about trying out TLO and using cover crops that would be symbiotic with cannabis, but still have to research it a lot. I know there are certain companion plants that actually put Nitrogen back into the soil and such, would be awesome to have a living soil pot that needs nothing but water :)
 
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Yep :) Now I've been reading a lot about it but not quite ready to make the E/O with a carrier oil yet. I'm going to start out with the iso based rub and see how it does, and then go from there. Ideally though, it would be awesome to research E/O's and cater the blend to the ailment that I'm targeting :) will be a fun experiment :)
I have a cousin who sells E/O. I can ask her some questions about which oils to use for certain ailments, if you would like. I just need to know whats ailing you, or whoever will be using said oil mix.
 
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