Careful running the led without the veg light on.... I had hermies when I done this.
Hyena's Never-Ending Adventures In Growing
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Yeah I thought about that and have heard that...but I always used an HPS which was red only and didn't have an unusual incidence of hermies. So I don't know. But I am about to add a 3-COB light to the right side, should arrive soon. That should bring up the lumens over on that side and rebalance the spectrum.
Peace, Hyena
Might be small LEDs that dont put out enough with just the bloom switch on.
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Just turning up the exhaust airflow a bit does the same thing during the winter months since the humidity is quite low outside. I'm looking into getting a house in Michigan just for growing. This attic stuff is a challenge.
Peace, Hyena
You were lamenting the cold. Thought I'd offer a thought nevermind
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If I got hermies it would actually accomplish my purpose of reversing and fertilizing this grow so maybe that's the way...?
Peace, Hyena
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Yeah I'm with ya on that, the cold balancing the heat, the humidity inside vs outside, stealth growing is such a pain in many ways. No perfect solution. Need a whole house.
Peace, Hyena
There's enough of them for sale cheaply. Finding one in the right spot is trickier.
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Happy Saturday!!
Okay here's a life-changing
PROJECT 28 REPORT!
It was the best of times...it was the worst of times. First, the grow is, well, growing.
It's a big healthy hedge of weed just starting to flower in earnest. The small Blue Hyena phenos on the left are still remarkably small...I had been hoping for comparable stretch to the taller pheno at least but these three smalls have zero stretch whatsoever. They look nice but nothing like their counterparts. A full 50% difference. Very disappointing.
Even with the most light, they stay low and in every respect smaller than the talls. So that throws a new consideration into my seed-introductory plans. I can live with two phenotypes that are relatively productive each on their own merit...if they are. Unless something turns around I can't in good conscience put seeds into the market that are likely to include disappointing individuals. I have to know I have only strong, productive phenos in there. I could live with two different phenos with differing tastes and such but not a big and a small.
The middle is kicking:
Strong and mighty. Flowering nicely and in robust health.
And the right side is also in good form:
The extreme light intensity I exposed a half dozen branches to right after a supercrop kind of fried the leaves but the bud nodes are still okay so maybe not too much damage done.
Now I think the "white powdery mildew" incident may not have been mildew after all...I think it was just patchy damage due to too much light intensity from my LED panel. I also had the airflow too slow for about 5 days and it allowed the plants to get too hot in a few places, they simply got cooked. Which I mistook for mildew. I thought it was strange that it didn't come off on my fingers, I thought WPM was supposed to be kind of powdery. No further spread of it since I noticed it either, if it was mildew I would think it would be spreading but it remained very localized. I hope it was just light/heat damage. We will see.
Everything flowering nicely. TOO nicely...
I can't remember which of the plants those three shots are...but that's the problem. One of them is the Queen...she's still 100% a lady. More than two weeks post-flip and ironically, the Queen is the most vigorous one of all. And sadly, completely female. So unless this reversal thing just goes BOOM in another week, it's a bust. There will be no pollen and thus no seed project.
Probably the point where ya trade in one dream for another. >Sigh<.
Reality sometimes bites, but you always have to look at things in a positive way or you never will be happy with anything. Everything of real value you try to achieve will come with setbacks, expecting them makes it easier to get beyond them.
I don't know why my very carefully-executed reversal treatment didn't work. Possible reasons include:
-Maybe continuous treatment for weeks is required...I treated the entire plant twice.
-Perhaps my strain is just resistant to reversal...I tried once before with no success.
-Maybe I did something wrong mixing down the formula. I give that a smaller chance because I followed everything to the letter.
But the fact is, even if I got my pollen I would be hesitant to create seeds now that I have seen a pheno that I wouldn't want to grow. All previous versions I've grown and that have been grown by others performed well and were unusually big. Now I have three that are simply not something I would sell. Gosh I hate to write that, it represents several year's worth of work mostly down the drain. But I looked them over completely today and they are simply a low-growing, smaller version. In their place could be much more productive plants so no serious grower would want them. Can't do it. Damn.
Once again I find myself turning to Winston for wisdom...
I suppose the solace is there will be a huge room of frosty Blue Hyena buds ere long. I must console myself with that.
No problem.
I will spend some time trying to come up with the next great idea. I think it might involve buying an entire house to start a grow op. Seriously. I'm getting tired of the secret attic thing, and a state 2 1/2 hours from me just legalized growing. I think I could turn out 20+ pounds of pure nuggy medicine if I had such a place. To Zillow we go!
Get your shopping done.
Peace, Hyena
Okay here's a life-changing
PROJECT 28 REPORT!
It was the best of times...it was the worst of times. First, the grow is, well, growing.
It's a big healthy hedge of weed just starting to flower in earnest. The small Blue Hyena phenos on the left are still remarkably small...I had been hoping for comparable stretch to the taller pheno at least but these three smalls have zero stretch whatsoever. They look nice but nothing like their counterparts. A full 50% difference. Very disappointing.
Even with the most light, they stay low and in every respect smaller than the talls. So that throws a new consideration into my seed-introductory plans. I can live with two phenotypes that are relatively productive each on their own merit...if they are. Unless something turns around I can't in good conscience put seeds into the market that are likely to include disappointing individuals. I have to know I have only strong, productive phenos in there. I could live with two different phenos with differing tastes and such but not a big and a small.
The middle is kicking:
Strong and mighty. Flowering nicely and in robust health.
And the right side is also in good form:
The extreme light intensity I exposed a half dozen branches to right after a supercrop kind of fried the leaves but the bud nodes are still okay so maybe not too much damage done.
Now I think the "white powdery mildew" incident may not have been mildew after all...I think it was just patchy damage due to too much light intensity from my LED panel. I also had the airflow too slow for about 5 days and it allowed the plants to get too hot in a few places, they simply got cooked. Which I mistook for mildew. I thought it was strange that it didn't come off on my fingers, I thought WPM was supposed to be kind of powdery. No further spread of it since I noticed it either, if it was mildew I would think it would be spreading but it remained very localized. I hope it was just light/heat damage. We will see.
Everything flowering nicely. TOO nicely...
I can't remember which of the plants those three shots are...but that's the problem. One of them is the Queen...she's still 100% a lady. More than two weeks post-flip and ironically, the Queen is the most vigorous one of all. And sadly, completely female. So unless this reversal thing just goes BOOM in another week, it's a bust. There will be no pollen and thus no seed project.
Probably the point where ya trade in one dream for another. >Sigh<.
Reality sometimes bites, but you always have to look at things in a positive way or you never will be happy with anything. Everything of real value you try to achieve will come with setbacks, expecting them makes it easier to get beyond them.
I don't know why my very carefully-executed reversal treatment didn't work. Possible reasons include:
-Maybe continuous treatment for weeks is required...I treated the entire plant twice.
-Perhaps my strain is just resistant to reversal...I tried once before with no success.
-Maybe I did something wrong mixing down the formula. I give that a smaller chance because I followed everything to the letter.
But the fact is, even if I got my pollen I would be hesitant to create seeds now that I have seen a pheno that I wouldn't want to grow. All previous versions I've grown and that have been grown by others performed well and were unusually big. Now I have three that are simply not something I would sell. Gosh I hate to write that, it represents several year's worth of work mostly down the drain. But I looked them over completely today and they are simply a low-growing, smaller version. In their place could be much more productive plants so no serious grower would want them. Can't do it. Damn.
Once again I find myself turning to Winston for wisdom...
I suppose the solace is there will be a huge room of frosty Blue Hyena buds ere long. I must console myself with that.
No problem.
I will spend some time trying to come up with the next great idea. I think it might involve buying an entire house to start a grow op. Seriously. I'm getting tired of the secret attic thing, and a state 2 1/2 hours from me just legalized growing. I think I could turn out 20+ pounds of pure nuggy medicine if I had such a place. To Zillow we go!
Get your shopping done.
Peace, Hyena
Too bad about the queen, you could have some strong genetics keeping it from reversing. I know a local breeder that has some of his strains label short and tall. I figure your after growing a few blue hyenas so it seems suspicious that the 3 short plants would all together, dont ya think? Funny ya didn't see a different Phnom somewhere else. Anyways, the lab still looks killer.
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HM - check your feed lines? I know it's a rudimentary step, but I had a small 1 of 4 from the same batch performing the same way, ended up it wasn't getting the same amount of flow as the other 3.
Most of the successful reversals I've seen documented involved multiple applications so there may be something to that.
Another back cross would help to stabilize the strain. Very few of the seeds available today are stable. Most are polyhybrids with a ton of variation. Good to see you trying to go the extra mile for a good product.
Another back cross would help to stabilize the strain. Very few of the seeds available today are stable. Most are polyhybrids with a ton of variation. Good to see you trying to go the extra mile for a good product.
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To Whom It May Concern:
Here's a MERRY CHRISTMAS PROJECT 28 UPDATE!
Well the Project 28 grow is really busting out in white, puffy flower clusters literally everywhere! Oh how I love the last 6-8 weeks of a grow!!
I almost can't get the whole thing in anymore which is nice. Yes, time and a few minor adjustments have shown there was never any powdery mildew or anything nasty in here...just me forgetting how freaking intense these two LED panels are directly underneath where the light is somewhat focused. I like blasting my plants, they almost can't get too much light but with LEDs the fact is they can. I was within a foot of new growth and in a couple spots I simply cooked them. That resulted in patchy whitish damage to 20-30 fan leaves and probably slowed those branches down a bit.
Now the addition of one more fan to get the air flowing better through the canopy, plus a reasonable defol and raising the lights has put the couple areas that were affected back on track. I have eight Blue Hyenas all starting to flower like mad.
The view from the Hyena drone...
Whoa, I almost clipped a rafter on that flyby.
The flowers are looking very good:
I have added a new nute that I've never tried for the first time this grow...called TERPINATOR. I was fortunate enough to get some prizes for my journal being recognized by the 420 staff (which I still sincerely appreciate...thanks!) and got a honking jug of the stuff. I have added some a couple times and though I can't really say it has added anything it sure hasn't hurt. Hopefully there will be even bigger buds as a result since that's what they claim. You know my thoughts on claims by people who sell anything related in any way to the weed world...they're mostly either exaggerating or outright fibbing. But within the realm of obvious marketing is woven a lot of good knowledge and many great products so I felt Karma allowed me to give Terpinator a try. Go Terpy go!
I staunchly advocate only about three or four feedings over the entire run of my hydroponic grows because I understand that most of the actual nutrients remain in the water no matter how many hundreds of additional gallons I add. The plants use so little, they literally just sip. There has to be a sufficient amount to support their needs but they will only extract a fraction to underpin the myriad of complex biologic processes they utilize. They mostly just transpire lots and lots of water through themselves and then into the air. So almost all the chemicals in the reservoir water are still there.
It is proven by the observable condition of my plants as we come to the 12-week mark of their lives...very healthy and no issues even though I have only added about one-tenth of the nutrient amounts recommended if you look at the total water added. I might be able to add everything only once in near-full strength, and still provide ample nutrition for a 20-week grow that subsequently adds over 300 gallons of water to the reservoir. And now they have a nice dose of Terpinator too. See, even old farts can learn. Or try at least.
Can't say if it's related but right out of the chute I have spotted the telltale uber-thick stemmage of the polyploid, I can see at least three of them already forming. The stems tipped me off but polyploid buds are unmistakable:
Yep, there they are, they're interesting but not any better or worse than regular buds but I don't think they're bad for ya. I smoked the huge one from last grow and I'm still mentally ill. So no effect.
Also some examples of three leaves at one node, that's usually a tell that there's Poly influence going on.
Now that my "seed grow" is history I'm still looking for some sign of maleness but...ZERO ballz on the Queen. In fact she is the tallest of all the plants:
Oh well. I may never figure the seed thing out. Ironic I wish for a zillion seeds yet others curse their very presence.
So I am spending Christmas getting really high because Santa brought me my Christmas dream...just kidding, I already had all the weed I wanted.
I hope you do, too. Merry Christmas to all who have stopped by. Keep 'em green my friends.
Peace, Hyena
Here's a MERRY CHRISTMAS PROJECT 28 UPDATE!
Well the Project 28 grow is really busting out in white, puffy flower clusters literally everywhere! Oh how I love the last 6-8 weeks of a grow!!
I almost can't get the whole thing in anymore which is nice. Yes, time and a few minor adjustments have shown there was never any powdery mildew or anything nasty in here...just me forgetting how freaking intense these two LED panels are directly underneath where the light is somewhat focused. I like blasting my plants, they almost can't get too much light but with LEDs the fact is they can. I was within a foot of new growth and in a couple spots I simply cooked them. That resulted in patchy whitish damage to 20-30 fan leaves and probably slowed those branches down a bit.
Now the addition of one more fan to get the air flowing better through the canopy, plus a reasonable defol and raising the lights has put the couple areas that were affected back on track. I have eight Blue Hyenas all starting to flower like mad.
The view from the Hyena drone...
Whoa, I almost clipped a rafter on that flyby.
The flowers are looking very good:
I have added a new nute that I've never tried for the first time this grow...called TERPINATOR. I was fortunate enough to get some prizes for my journal being recognized by the 420 staff (which I still sincerely appreciate...thanks!) and got a honking jug of the stuff. I have added some a couple times and though I can't really say it has added anything it sure hasn't hurt. Hopefully there will be even bigger buds as a result since that's what they claim. You know my thoughts on claims by people who sell anything related in any way to the weed world...they're mostly either exaggerating or outright fibbing. But within the realm of obvious marketing is woven a lot of good knowledge and many great products so I felt Karma allowed me to give Terpinator a try. Go Terpy go!
I staunchly advocate only about three or four feedings over the entire run of my hydroponic grows because I understand that most of the actual nutrients remain in the water no matter how many hundreds of additional gallons I add. The plants use so little, they literally just sip. There has to be a sufficient amount to support their needs but they will only extract a fraction to underpin the myriad of complex biologic processes they utilize. They mostly just transpire lots and lots of water through themselves and then into the air. So almost all the chemicals in the reservoir water are still there.
It is proven by the observable condition of my plants as we come to the 12-week mark of their lives...very healthy and no issues even though I have only added about one-tenth of the nutrient amounts recommended if you look at the total water added. I might be able to add everything only once in near-full strength, and still provide ample nutrition for a 20-week grow that subsequently adds over 300 gallons of water to the reservoir. And now they have a nice dose of Terpinator too. See, even old farts can learn. Or try at least.
Can't say if it's related but right out of the chute I have spotted the telltale uber-thick stemmage of the polyploid, I can see at least three of them already forming. The stems tipped me off but polyploid buds are unmistakable:
Yep, there they are, they're interesting but not any better or worse than regular buds but I don't think they're bad for ya. I smoked the huge one from last grow and I'm still mentally ill. So no effect.
Also some examples of three leaves at one node, that's usually a tell that there's Poly influence going on.
Now that my "seed grow" is history I'm still looking for some sign of maleness but...ZERO ballz on the Queen. In fact she is the tallest of all the plants:
Oh well. I may never figure the seed thing out. Ironic I wish for a zillion seeds yet others curse their very presence.
So I am spending Christmas getting really high because Santa brought me my Christmas dream...just kidding, I already had all the weed I wanted.
I hope you do, too. Merry Christmas to all who have stopped by. Keep 'em green my friends.
Peace, Hyena
Hiya HM,
Very nice Christmas update - I agree on your assessment of using nutes in a grow. I've read elsewhere about not needing so much actual nutrients. I was reading about some of the biochemical processes during growth, and most elements used (volume-wise) were in the atmosphere. CO2 supplementation is far more than nutes added in terms of volume.
The doesn't seem to be a repeatable process to get male pollen from lady parts. Maybe I need some more research. I've seen others do it with their documentation, but didn't work for me either. So, I'm resolved to growing big plants in my garden every summer with spring compost amendments, and harvest 50 z's last year. My only expense is the seeds. Too old to change stripes now, lol.
Your ladies are looking like the beginning of the seventh inning stretch. Very nice again. Better luck next year! (with your seed project).
Very nice Christmas update - I agree on your assessment of using nutes in a grow. I've read elsewhere about not needing so much actual nutrients. I was reading about some of the biochemical processes during growth, and most elements used (volume-wise) were in the atmosphere. CO2 supplementation is far more than nutes added in terms of volume.
The doesn't seem to be a repeatable process to get male pollen from lady parts. Maybe I need some more research. I've seen others do it with their documentation, but didn't work for me either. So, I'm resolved to growing big plants in my garden every summer with spring compost amendments, and harvest 50 z's last year. My only expense is the seeds. Too old to change stripes now, lol.
Your ladies are looking like the beginning of the seventh inning stretch. Very nice again. Better luck next year! (with your seed project).
High Hyena 
Hope it was a stoney day for you
Hope it was a stoney day for you
MagicJim
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I'll drop an early Happy New Year to you fine folks over here. I sure hope all will have the best year ever!
HM...I'll drop a link to my 2017 reversal project over here in case you want to see one that was questionable early on but did end up producing the S1 seeds. Only need to read about 4 pages.
With that done I should also admit that with all those seeds I got it seems that the progeny are very prone to hermie. I ran a few of the S1s I produced and remember some late male flowers but I also had some light heat issues with that grow plus I was trying my hand at hempy style which just didn't appeal to me. Anyway...the Labyrinth S1 seeds that another grower produced and I grew out also hermied so I'm convinced that there must be some type of back cross that must be done to stabilize the seed stock. That would also require a reversal so IDK.
Anyway....stay high my friend and best wishes for the New Year.
HM...I'll drop a link to my 2017 reversal project over here in case you want to see one that was questionable early on but did end up producing the S1 seeds. Only need to read about 4 pages.
With that done I should also admit that with all those seeds I got it seems that the progeny are very prone to hermie. I ran a few of the S1s I produced and remember some late male flowers but I also had some light heat issues with that grow plus I was trying my hand at hempy style which just didn't appeal to me. Anyway...the Labyrinth S1 seeds that another grower produced and I grew out also hermied so I'm convinced that there must be some type of back cross that must be done to stabilize the seed stock. That would also require a reversal so IDK.
Anyway....stay high my friend and best wishes for the New Year.
Happy New Year
Happy new year hyena, hope your 2019 brings us blue hyena beans
Happy New Years Hyena!
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Yes I have to say I am looking at new horizons. I have tried twice and there are other priorities for my limited time on Earth and even more limited growing space. Seeds cost money but are well worth it. I feel I will probably leave the hassle and science of creating feminized seeds to those who know how to do it.
For now.
Happy New Year!
Peace, Hyena