MagicJim
Creme de la Creme Photos: Sept 2016
Delay or what we think is an un-natural amount of time is the biggest obstacle. I'm glad the boy finally showed his stuff.
Hyena's Never-Ending Adventures In Growing
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Delay or what we think is an un-natural amount of time is the biggest obstacle. I'm glad the boy finally showed his stuff.
Latitude17
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^ what he said!
Thought you mght like this article Hyena.
Why That Maui Wowie Doesn’t Hit You The Same Way Every Time
Why That Maui Wowie Doesn’t Hit You The Same Way Every Time
I would go for the seeds too 
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Hump day.
PROJECT 28 REPORT!
Like the camel, I plod. The shifting sands that are my goals keep changing, changing. But for the better I think.
I read with interest, and thought about, all your posts. Thank you. Got to make awesome lemonade out of these lemons.
A grow where all the plants are the exact same variety is a new experience for me and it affords a host of interesting observations about that variety. Mostly I have again learned the term "exact same" has almost zero meaning in the plant kingdom, especially the cannabis branch of the Earth's bio tree. Because no two living things are the exact same. Ever.
Being able to compare 9 plants from the same mother has been a mini-course on Mendelian genetics. So many differences in the "same" organism...fat and thin leaves, a tall and short gene, bigger and smaller buds. And now that flowering is getting sticky, with my nose I can observe four different terpine profiles! There's the lemony-fruity smell of the 2 short phenos. There's the more piney aroma of three of the talls, and another tall that smells earthy, with not much floral aroma at all. Finally, the Queen who would be partially King has the best berry essence of all, really sweet and fruity. There are two distinct bud sizes as well between the various plants and the Queen has the bigger, much stickier bud type.
So I'm thinking ahead now. With the possibility of pollen now, from probably the best specimen of them all, this grow can become the platform of many future endeavors if I can just produce some seeds of each combination. Then grow them all out and select the very best. Maybe the tallness gene and berry essence in the Queen will combine with the essence of the shorter lemony plant for a big fruity monster. Maybe the piney talls will pick up some berry influence. Who really knows what the pollen from the tall/fruity Queen will create when combined with all the others? The main thing is to establish the new genetic combinations in the first place...anything can be duplicated once created. This will be that opportunity.
I'm resigned to the impossibility of pollen control in my lab. I will instead embrace the pollen dump and just completely sanitize the lab after this grow. Might take some work and time but I'm sure I can get rid of nearly all of it through a combination of removal and neutralization.
So now I watch and learn as the male pollen sacs develop. I'll hope the pollen will arrive with enough time for the surrounding plants to finish the seeds. That process takes about 6 weeks minimum. No harm in extended flowering for the Blue Hyena...it takes forever anyway.
So once more plans are on for seeds Just not the thousands I envisioned. Instead, maybe even some better strains if all this works out. And if not...we will still have some huge nugs to smoke.
Happy Wednesday!
Peace, Hyena
PROJECT 28 REPORT!
Like the camel, I plod. The shifting sands that are my goals keep changing, changing. But for the better I think.
I read with interest, and thought about, all your posts. Thank you. Got to make awesome lemonade out of these lemons.
A grow where all the plants are the exact same variety is a new experience for me and it affords a host of interesting observations about that variety. Mostly I have again learned the term "exact same" has almost zero meaning in the plant kingdom, especially the cannabis branch of the Earth's bio tree. Because no two living things are the exact same. Ever.
Being able to compare 9 plants from the same mother has been a mini-course on Mendelian genetics. So many differences in the "same" organism...fat and thin leaves, a tall and short gene, bigger and smaller buds. And now that flowering is getting sticky, with my nose I can observe four different terpine profiles! There's the lemony-fruity smell of the 2 short phenos. There's the more piney aroma of three of the talls, and another tall that smells earthy, with not much floral aroma at all. Finally, the Queen who would be partially King has the best berry essence of all, really sweet and fruity. There are two distinct bud sizes as well between the various plants and the Queen has the bigger, much stickier bud type.
So I'm thinking ahead now. With the possibility of pollen now, from probably the best specimen of them all, this grow can become the platform of many future endeavors if I can just produce some seeds of each combination. Then grow them all out and select the very best. Maybe the tallness gene and berry essence in the Queen will combine with the essence of the shorter lemony plant for a big fruity monster. Maybe the piney talls will pick up some berry influence. Who really knows what the pollen from the tall/fruity Queen will create when combined with all the others? The main thing is to establish the new genetic combinations in the first place...anything can be duplicated once created. This will be that opportunity.
I'm resigned to the impossibility of pollen control in my lab. I will instead embrace the pollen dump and just completely sanitize the lab after this grow. Might take some work and time but I'm sure I can get rid of nearly all of it through a combination of removal and neutralization.
So now I watch and learn as the male pollen sacs develop. I'll hope the pollen will arrive with enough time for the surrounding plants to finish the seeds. That process takes about 6 weeks minimum. No harm in extended flowering for the Blue Hyena...it takes forever anyway.
So once more plans are on for seeds Just not the thousands I envisioned. Instead, maybe even some better strains if all this works out. And if not...we will still have some huge nugs to smoke.
Happy Wednesday!
Peace, Hyena
Selection is the best part of crossing plants.
Hiya HM,
Very interesting situation. I have often thought of crossing different chemovars, and soon realize that I don't have enough time in my life to explore pairings, nor the room. Even if I did, I'd somehow screw up a label, or get some seeds mixed up. So then I decided to go after "THE BEST" strain just looking for specific traits. But you're much better growing than I am. No comparison. Good luck on seeds on the rest of the grow!
Btw, attic looks great!
Very interesting situation. I have often thought of crossing different chemovars, and soon realize that I don't have enough time in my life to explore pairings, nor the room. Even if I did, I'd somehow screw up a label, or get some seeds mixed up. So then I decided to go after "THE BEST" strain just looking for specific traits. But you're much better growing than I am. No comparison. Good luck on seeds on the rest of the grow!
Btw, attic looks great!
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Happy Friday! It's...
...another PROJECT 28 REPORT!
The Winter of our discontent continues. This grow is starting to produce some real nice buds but all I see is these incomplete pollen things all over the Queen and all I can think about is, should I or shouldn't I fertilize it all? If I had produced actual pollen by now I would feel pretty confident applying it to a good number of these luscious colas that are starting to fill out. I know there's another six weeks I can let these bloom...but not ten. It seems to me the pollen, if it comes, will come too late. Worst case is I blast a bunch of buds and they fill up with immature, useless seeds...and I ruin everything for nothing.
The pretty flowers are swelling with resin...
It's hypnotic...
I don't want to ruin it. But I do want to try for the rare and hard-won opportunity to create some potentially awesome crosses and get those seeds.
It first depends if any actual pollen happens. It looks promising but the last time it stalled right here. Then if it does, can I control it? I have believed the pollen would be impossible to control but now, since the apparent male development is very localized, I think the two branches that are developing pollen sacs might be somewhat containable. If I can anticipate the actual pollen dump and get some protection underneath and around those sites before it occurs, then maybe I can apply it to a select few branches on specific plants without it getting everywhere. This will probably limit the seed count but preserve most of the fat buds in my grow. And that way if the seeds can't fully mature it was a good try but it doesn't cost me everything.
It's a little nostalgic. I feel like this is the last time I will run my Sativa-ish strains for awhile because I'm studying the prospect of a grow house. A house beats a small hidden lab. If I do that I will be turning to faster-finishing (much faster) varieties, and moving from playing Sativa games to Indica serious business. Producing a big harvest in 12 weeks instead of 18-20 will be really awesome and I know I can get a lot more weight out of Indica-dominant commercial strains. A lot to learn though, I'm spending a lot of time again today doing my research and sifting through everything cannabis. 2 10x10 grow tents is what it's looking like right now. That would be fun!
So now, advice from Cheech and Chong.
I'm taking it right now.
Peace, Hyena
...another PROJECT 28 REPORT!
The Winter of our discontent continues. This grow is starting to produce some real nice buds but all I see is these incomplete pollen things all over the Queen and all I can think about is, should I or shouldn't I fertilize it all? If I had produced actual pollen by now I would feel pretty confident applying it to a good number of these luscious colas that are starting to fill out. I know there's another six weeks I can let these bloom...but not ten. It seems to me the pollen, if it comes, will come too late. Worst case is I blast a bunch of buds and they fill up with immature, useless seeds...and I ruin everything for nothing.
The pretty flowers are swelling with resin...
It's hypnotic...
I don't want to ruin it. But I do want to try for the rare and hard-won opportunity to create some potentially awesome crosses and get those seeds.
It first depends if any actual pollen happens. It looks promising but the last time it stalled right here. Then if it does, can I control it? I have believed the pollen would be impossible to control but now, since the apparent male development is very localized, I think the two branches that are developing pollen sacs might be somewhat containable. If I can anticipate the actual pollen dump and get some protection underneath and around those sites before it occurs, then maybe I can apply it to a select few branches on specific plants without it getting everywhere. This will probably limit the seed count but preserve most of the fat buds in my grow. And that way if the seeds can't fully mature it was a good try but it doesn't cost me everything.
It's a little nostalgic. I feel like this is the last time I will run my Sativa-ish strains for awhile because I'm studying the prospect of a grow house. A house beats a small hidden lab. If I do that I will be turning to faster-finishing (much faster) varieties, and moving from playing Sativa games to Indica serious business. Producing a big harvest in 12 weeks instead of 18-20 will be really awesome and I know I can get a lot more weight out of Indica-dominant commercial strains. A lot to learn though, I'm spending a lot of time again today doing my research and sifting through everything cannabis. 2 10x10 grow tents is what it's looking like right now. That would be fun!
So now, advice from Cheech and Chong.
I'm taking it right now.
Peace, Hyena
MagicJim
Creme de la Creme Photos: Sept 2016
I had a regular seed cross in my last grow - The Fx line. I wanted a male the worst way so I could back-cross that one. I got all girls from 4 seeds. Those 4 seeds produced 5 plants. A bit rare indeed but my good luck produced no seeds.
But it did produce some wicked weed.
Two 10 x 10s sounds like a bunch of work to me but I can see it also as manageable for any energetic young fellow.
But it did produce some wicked weed.
Two 10 x 10s sounds like a bunch of work to me but I can see it also as manageable for any energetic young fellow.
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Hey hey it's Sunday. Bloody Sunday.
So here's a possibly life-changing
PROJECT 28 REPORT!
Your life I mean...mine won't change, heck, I wrote it.
"So much changes when you sober up." -Hyena
So that actually occurred and it gave me clarity. Let's get serious. I'm looking at a Queen mother that has an entire polyploid branch, is forming a lot of male bananas but only on three branches (including the polyploid branch), AND the pollen, if any, is coming very late in the game...is this worth contaminating my entire pristine lab for? Some long-shot crosses that, even if the seeds finish, will obviously contain lots of serious genetic flaws?
I play poker and I'm damn good at it...probably a top 20% player, maybe 10%. I know what chasing a weak hand feels like and this feels like that. This ain't happening.
I have spent perhaps 20 hours in the last 5 days reading everything I can find about plant genetics, at least everything I can understand, which admittedly isn't everything. But I'm not dumb and I see now my understanding and vision of plant breeding was embryonic at best. Now that I have more input from sources describing the specific breeding work required to isolate phenotypes and characteristics within them, and the selection techniques involved, and most of all the amazing number of generations required to stabilize a strain into the 90% threshold...
So for me to spend eight successive generations growing and selecting from hundreds of individuals every generation, which is what the real thing takes, well, that's almost the rest of my life so no. I'm in absolutely no position to do breeding correctly and it would be a waste of a non-contaminated lab too. The very best I could hope for here would be to create a handful of sketchy crosses. So, here's the pivot. I grabbed the scissors.
The Queen is a very interesting specimen. Along with multiple normal-appearing branches with big, sticky and very robust buds developing, she contains developing male flowers and an entire polyploid branch as well.
I don't want sketchy pollen, nor a pollen dump in here so I'm identifying and cutting of all signs of maleness. I chopped all the tiny sucker branches and the three mains that had the male clusters, there were many but strangely, all limited (as far as I can tell) to those three branches. So weird.
Big poly branch with as many as six fans coming off one node
Huge poly bud
Trimmed up a bit you can see the male poly-pollen pods...
The mad scientist in me wants to play with that pollen and see if it's the first 100% THC strain that also grows 25 feet tall...but the odds are that instead it would simply produce genetically confused, unreliable, less-than-desirable freaks and ain't nobody got time fo dat!
I learned how many THOUSANDS of individuals are required for even one real champion by professional standards to emerge, and the ideal traits from a variety are very hard to combine. My hat is totally off to Neville and Shantibaba and Herer the other handful of guys who spent their lives doing the painstaking (and risky) work to give the modern world the basic building blocks for virtually all the cannabis we grow. It is humbling to learn the history and unique genetic diversity of this amazing plant.
So the pollen thing is done, the male parts removed, the remainder of my shattered grow chugs on. The remaining 6 plants are all looking like this:
We will finish this grow and get on to the next phase:
Hyena's Grow House . It will be an unreality show about a guy who buys a house, then tries to grow 30 pounds of dank buds in one year. And thus pay for the house.
As a famous spokesgecko once said,
My thoughts exactly. More to come!
Peace, Hyena
So here's a possibly life-changing
PROJECT 28 REPORT!
Your life I mean...mine won't change, heck, I wrote it.
"So much changes when you sober up." -Hyena
So that actually occurred and it gave me clarity. Let's get serious. I'm looking at a Queen mother that has an entire polyploid branch, is forming a lot of male bananas but only on three branches (including the polyploid branch), AND the pollen, if any, is coming very late in the game...is this worth contaminating my entire pristine lab for? Some long-shot crosses that, even if the seeds finish, will obviously contain lots of serious genetic flaws?
I play poker and I'm damn good at it...probably a top 20% player, maybe 10%. I know what chasing a weak hand feels like and this feels like that. This ain't happening.
I have spent perhaps 20 hours in the last 5 days reading everything I can find about plant genetics, at least everything I can understand, which admittedly isn't everything. But I'm not dumb and I see now my understanding and vision of plant breeding was embryonic at best. Now that I have more input from sources describing the specific breeding work required to isolate phenotypes and characteristics within them, and the selection techniques involved, and most of all the amazing number of generations required to stabilize a strain into the 90% threshold...
So for me to spend eight successive generations growing and selecting from hundreds of individuals every generation, which is what the real thing takes, well, that's almost the rest of my life so no. I'm in absolutely no position to do breeding correctly and it would be a waste of a non-contaminated lab too. The very best I could hope for here would be to create a handful of sketchy crosses. So, here's the pivot. I grabbed the scissors.
The Queen is a very interesting specimen. Along with multiple normal-appearing branches with big, sticky and very robust buds developing, she contains developing male flowers and an entire polyploid branch as well.
I don't want sketchy pollen, nor a pollen dump in here so I'm identifying and cutting of all signs of maleness. I chopped all the tiny sucker branches and the three mains that had the male clusters, there were many but strangely, all limited (as far as I can tell) to those three branches. So weird.
Big poly branch with as many as six fans coming off one node
Huge poly bud
Trimmed up a bit you can see the male poly-pollen pods...
The mad scientist in me wants to play with that pollen and see if it's the first 100% THC strain that also grows 25 feet tall...but the odds are that instead it would simply produce genetically confused, unreliable, less-than-desirable freaks and ain't nobody got time fo dat!
I learned how many THOUSANDS of individuals are required for even one real champion by professional standards to emerge, and the ideal traits from a variety are very hard to combine. My hat is totally off to Neville and Shantibaba and Herer the other handful of guys who spent their lives doing the painstaking (and risky) work to give the modern world the basic building blocks for virtually all the cannabis we grow. It is humbling to learn the history and unique genetic diversity of this amazing plant.
So the pollen thing is done, the male parts removed, the remainder of my shattered grow chugs on. The remaining 6 plants are all looking like this:
We will finish this grow and get on to the next phase:
Hyena's Grow House . It will be an unreality show about a guy who buys a house, then tries to grow 30 pounds of dank buds in one year. And thus pay for the house.As a famous spokesgecko once said,
My thoughts exactly. More to come!
Peace, Hyena
I think you made the right call by culling any branches with intersex traits showing. Just not worth the down side to it.
425jesse
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Chopped the cocks, now for the mother lode!!
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Happy Thursday!
Why not a
PROJECT 28 REPORT!
It's certainly frosting up in here...
The plants that remain are looking and smelling quite delightful. No strong skunky odor...Blue Hyena doesn't stink. Just a smell ranging from really super berry-fruity to lemony-fruity, to piney-ish, depending on the plant. No skunk.
Now we're in that lovely time where it's buds, buds, buds, all fattening up (as much as Sativas can fatten, anyway).
Here's the first real bud porn of the grow. Enjoy!
Oh yeah.
Oh baby right there...yeah...
Oh hell yeah! Was that good for you too?
There's probably another 4-5 weeks left to go for these girls, who won't amount to a lot of weight but should provide the definitive set of smoke samples for my little variety, and I will get to see if any of the 5 distinctly different forms here stand out in taste or buzz. Then at least I'll know what I'm looking for if I ever resume the quest for the Blue Hyena.
On we roll! Have a great day!
Peace, Hyena
Why not a
PROJECT 28 REPORT!
It's certainly frosting up in here...
The plants that remain are looking and smelling quite delightful. No strong skunky odor...Blue Hyena doesn't stink. Just a smell ranging from really super berry-fruity to lemony-fruity, to piney-ish, depending on the plant. No skunk.
Now we're in that lovely time where it's buds, buds, buds, all fattening up (as much as Sativas can fatten, anyway).
Here's the first real bud porn of the grow. Enjoy!
Oh yeah.
Oh baby right there...yeah...
Oh hell yeah! Was that good for you too?
There's probably another 4-5 weeks left to go for these girls, who won't amount to a lot of weight but should provide the definitive set of smoke samples for my little variety, and I will get to see if any of the 5 distinctly different forms here stand out in taste or buzz. Then at least I'll know what I'm looking for if I ever resume the quest for the Blue Hyena.
On we roll! Have a great day!
Peace, Hyena
Look good so far, hope the terps you want appear!
O yes, lovely bud shots
baddaddygreen
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Niiiiiiiice.
Pjs420
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Looking good hyena!.... but I don’t think I am the only one pondering how on earth you will keep an entire house hidden from your wife
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And if I was in your shoes and had an entire house at my disposal, I would most certainly be breeding... have a room for male hunting and then as many tents per room as space would allow for pheno hunting strains... a lot of work but a labour of love.
........And if I was in your shoes and had an entire house at my disposal, I would most certainly be breeding... have a room for male hunting and then as many tents per room as space would allow for pheno hunting strains... a lot of work but a labour of love.
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Looking good hyena!.... but I don’t think I am the only one pondering how on earth you will keep an entire house hidden from your wife
And if I was in your shoes and had an entire house at my disposal, I would most certainly be breeding... have a room for male hunting and then as many tents per room as space would allow for pheno hunting strains... a lot of work but a labour of love.
Probably going to try some cash crops before I get back into labor-intensive stuff with no defined return again. I heard pot is valuable.
Peace, Hyena