"D'oh!"
Homer's Legal 4-Plant Max Perpetual Minimalist Garden In Ontario
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After three weeks exactly today since flipping, my Gorilla Glue has started to bud up nicely. From the top, she is looking like an impressive Sea of Green but underneath the story is not quite so idyllic.
As usual, I am having some lower leaves dying off which isn't a catastrophe because it isn't too severe yet but because of this instead of going from 5 g per gallon of MC to 5.5 g per gallon I skipped right up to 6 g per gallon. Since I am already giving 4 milliliters per gallon of calmag I doubt that is my problem. The Dr. Seeds site says that this plant is a heavy feeder so I figure she can take 6 g per gallon at this point.
I lost this many leaves just in the last couple days.
This is the same telltale damage I get on my lower leaves with every plant so there must be some specific deficiency?
I haven't forgotten about my evaporation test to see how much resin I am extracting with my ethyl alcohol method it's just that it is taking longer than I anticipated to evaporate. From the looks of it though even though this stuff really does the trick I don't think there's much resin in it but the definitive conclusion is still to be determined.
As usual, I am having some lower leaves dying off which isn't a catastrophe because it isn't too severe yet but because of this instead of going from 5 g per gallon of MC to 5.5 g per gallon I skipped right up to 6 g per gallon. Since I am already giving 4 milliliters per gallon of calmag I doubt that is my problem. The Dr. Seeds site says that this plant is a heavy feeder so I figure she can take 6 g per gallon at this point.
I lost this many leaves just in the last couple days.
This is the same telltale damage I get on my lower leaves with every plant so there must be some specific deficiency?
I haven't forgotten about my evaporation test to see how much resin I am extracting with my ethyl alcohol method it's just that it is taking longer than I anticipated to evaporate. From the looks of it though even though this stuff really does the trick I don't think there's much resin in it but the definitive conclusion is still to be determined.
That may be phosphorus deficiency
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My weakness is definitely reading what the plant wants but on my last crop, I suspected it might be phosphorus from some of the photos charts I found about deficiency but I wasn't sure because those charts seem to contradict each other and overlap.
I think I will wait to see if the plant responds to the increase in MC I gave it and if not, since you think it's phosphorus, I do have some Bud Explosion from Greenleaf that is basically P and K so maybe I will give it a half dosage of that? Thanks.
Yea see if the MC works first, it should have all the phosphorus the plant needs. I don’t care for supplements because you don’t know how much the plant is actually taking up.
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Refresh my memory, which version of MC are you using?
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I'm glad you said that because you reminded me that I did want to see if MC really is complete if I can finally get the dosing right. I will take this one to the end just trying to adjust MC.
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Do you mean, D'oh!?
D’oh...I did
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I believe I am using version 2 and I believe there is now at version 3. I have got a photo somewhere of the version 1 I started with beside the version 2 I use now but I can't find it; if I find it I will post it.
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I went back and looked through the MC thread. I believe that the current version, that is pre-ground at the factory, is version 4. I remember people saying you only need BE if you have version 1. Per the MC thread, version 3 came out around the middle of August last year, but they were putting It in V2 bags. Start reading from the top of page 2.
The Mega Crop Thread
@MrSauga I have a bag of the MC that I just got a couple of weeks ago with 9-6-17. When I go to their website under their FAQ, and click on the "What are the NPK and ingredients in MC" it shows 10-7-18. Do you know why that is? https://greenleafnutrients.com/faq/?v=7516fd43adaa Believe me they...
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why all the cal mag homer ?
found it to be ok with lighter feeding plants in early veg but i have never run cal mag with mc from mid veg forward. last two runs i dropped it completely.
you can run the bud explosion if want a PK boost without the nitrogen. i'd leave the mc at 5g if you run it. it's the same as going to 6g of mc but without the nitrogen, looks like you have plenty of that.
found it to be ok with lighter feeding plants in early veg but i have never run cal mag with mc from mid veg forward. last two runs i dropped it completely.
you can run the bud explosion if want a PK boost without the nitrogen. i'd leave the mc at 5g if you run it. it's the same as going to 6g of mc but without the nitrogen, looks like you have plenty of that.
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I assume you are correct about there being four versions of MC now but I still think I have version 2 because I bought mine before August of last year. I finally found the photos of the versions I have used which I think are one and the version I have now which I think is two. Version 1 on the left version 2 on the right. Penny said not to use BE and you saying it's only needed for version 1 I won't be using it. Thanks, BigD.
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That is a good question why all the cal mag, bluter. I increased the wattage on my MegaLight from 180 to 250 W and that caused my plant's upper leaves to become quite sickly looking but not with light burn and I think it was suggested it looked like a calcium deficiency hence the cal mag. I'm embarrassed to say I don't really exactly recall but once I put the light back down to 180 W with addition of the cal mag my plant got healthy again so I just continued with the cal mag. It is possible that the additional light did cause a calcium deficiency but since I am trying to determine if just MegaCrop is good enough alone and you don't think it's necessary I think I will stop using it in my next feed.
I was thinking of using Bud Explosion for the PK boost but Penny reminded me that then I really won't know what the plant is taking up so for this grow I am just going to stick with MC version 2 by itself. My last watering I gave it 6 g per gallon MC with 4 mL per gallon cal mag but I'm going to drop the cal mag next watering and just go with straight MC and see how she looks. Dr Seeds site says my Gorilla Glue is a heavy feeder so I think she's okay with 6 g per gallon MC considering she was losing leaves on the bottom at 5 g per gallon. Thanks bluter.
I think you’re on the right track now.
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Thanks, buddy. Me too but the plant will decide, lol.
They always do for sure.
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Yup.
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I'm glad to say I was completely wrong in my estimates about how much oil I was extracting with ethyl alcohol. There was about a quarter teaspoon of the alcohol that would not evaporate so I tasted it and despite the foul taste I think it was mostly water (which makes sense because it's 95% alcohol and 5% water to start with) so I poured that out and blew the container with a hairdryer for about 10 minutes to get any residue water evaporated.
When I weighed the container with oil I got 8.975 g so when I subtract the weight of the 6.542 graham container I ended up with a whopping 2.433 g of oil. With all the trichomes stems left behind I thought I was leaving a lot of oil behind in them but @Pennywise was right thinking it was all in the heads and the stalks were empty.
The oil extracted came from one-half ounce or 14 g of cannabis cured to 60% humidity that weighed 11 g after it was decarbed a few hours at 235°F. So that works out to 17.37% for the 14 g at 60% and 22.1% compared to the dried bud at 11g. I assume most quotes would be with cured bud but 17.37 isn't bad because Northern lights I think usually tops out at about 18%.
I am still going to let it air out for a couple of days to see if it loses any more weight and there may be a fair bit of chlorophyll and other junk in there but that is way better than I expected. That stuff soaked for six days so I think now I will work backwards and try some experiments using less time to see if I get as much oil but with less chlorophyll.
My cuttings look like they're going to live thankfully. I left the dome open for a full day and the leaves aren't wilting hardly at all and once they get to that point I find they usually survive. Really glad you suggested taking those, Penny, because this Gorilla Glue mother is just turning into a monster plant. The base of the main stalk is now about 1.2 inches and several inches wider than my 37 x 37" MegaLight.
I always used 2 g per gallon MC with cuttings because that's what's recommended but my leaves always yellow quite a bit and I'm wondering if I should be giving them more nutes to start? Because that cutting is from a plant that was getting 5 g per gallon MC and then I dropped it down to two as cuttings. Really doesn't make sense to me unless new roots can't take higher concentrations.
When I weighed the container with oil I got 8.975 g so when I subtract the weight of the 6.542 graham container I ended up with a whopping 2.433 g of oil. With all the trichomes stems left behind I thought I was leaving a lot of oil behind in them but @Pennywise was right thinking it was all in the heads and the stalks were empty.
The oil extracted came from one-half ounce or 14 g of cannabis cured to 60% humidity that weighed 11 g after it was decarbed a few hours at 235°F. So that works out to 17.37% for the 14 g at 60% and 22.1% compared to the dried bud at 11g. I assume most quotes would be with cured bud but 17.37 isn't bad because Northern lights I think usually tops out at about 18%.
I am still going to let it air out for a couple of days to see if it loses any more weight and there may be a fair bit of chlorophyll and other junk in there but that is way better than I expected. That stuff soaked for six days so I think now I will work backwards and try some experiments using less time to see if I get as much oil but with less chlorophyll.
My cuttings look like they're going to live thankfully. I left the dome open for a full day and the leaves aren't wilting hardly at all and once they get to that point I find they usually survive. Really glad you suggested taking those, Penny, because this Gorilla Glue mother is just turning into a monster plant. The base of the main stalk is now about 1.2 inches and several inches wider than my 37 x 37" MegaLight.
I always used 2 g per gallon MC with cuttings because that's what's recommended but my leaves always yellow quite a bit and I'm wondering if I should be giving them more nutes to start? Because that cutting is from a plant that was getting 5 g per gallon MC and then I dropped it down to two as cuttings. Really doesn't make sense to me unless new roots can't take higher concentrations.