Homer's Legal 4-Plant Max Perpetual Minimalist Garden In Ontario

cr8grow said:
Homer...I drop my seeds into soil as soon as it cracks...is there a reason to wait for the taproot to grow?
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I also used to drop my seeds into soil as soon as they cracked too but I had a whole slew of bad Pre-98 seeds and several of them did crack but then didn't break ground so I would waste four or five days wondering if the damn things were going to come up.

I had one that got a little tail like in my 1 one day photo and it just stayed with that size taproot for a couple of days and when I planted it, it didn't come up so now I like to watch them for a couple of days to see how vigorous they are. The way this Bruce Banner got such rapid taproot growth on day three I am pretty certain it will come up and I won't waste several days waiting.

I don't know if I really gain much this way but at least I am seeing the seed and how viable it is instead of just wondering with it underground.
 
Homer Simpson said:
My Bruce Banner had an impressive spirt of growth today on the 3rd day which was encouraging so I planted her in her 10-gallon pot. It's out of my hands now and all I can do is wait.

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Your the Master of Veg.
 
BudShark said:
Your the Master of Veg.
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I appreciate the sentiment but if anything I am the master of listening to folks who know a lot more than me. :high-five:
 
Homer Simpson said:
I appreciate the sentiment but if anything I am the master of listening to folks who know a lot more than me. :high-five:
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There are fewer here than you think. You've come a very long way in a relatively short time.
 
Old Salt said:
There are fewer here than you think. You've come a very long way in a relatively short time.
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Your words mean a lot especially coming from a crusty Old Salt who isn’t exactly known for effusive outbursts, LOL. ;) Thanks buddy.
 
I flipped my Gorilla Glue to flower mode today so I gave the bottom branchs a good trimming. I have no proof but my intuition is that defoliating at the beginning a flower does more harm than good because the plant exerts its energy growing leaves instead of bud so I only remove the lower branches that don't get to the canopy because I am trying to cut down on the amount of useless flarf buds which take forever to trim and are mostly useless and not worth the bother.

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My main stalk seems to be getting close to 7/8 of an inch so I am pretty sure it will end up being over an inch by harvest time.

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Homer Simpson said:
I am trying to cut down on the amount of useless flarf buds which take forever to trim and are mostly useless and not worth the bother.
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I don't bother trimming them too much. I just squish them to get the rosin.
 
Old Salt said:
I don't bother trimming them too much. I just squish them to get the rosin.
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I am tempted to squish but I can't bring myself to spend the cash on heating plates. I wonder what the recovery percentage is compared to other methods of extraction?
 
Homer Simpson said:
I am tempted to squish but I can't bring myself to spend the cash on heating plates. I wonder what the recovery percentage is compared to other methods of extraction?
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Like other methods the recovery depends on the source material. I get 15 - 20%, others have gotten as much as 25%. Rick Simpson got about 60ml RSO from a lb of dried flower, or about 13%. RSO has a specific gravity around 1.0, or weighs close to 1gm /ml. That comparison needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as when Rick was making his extract the potency of flower was generally lower.

Yes, I spent close to $1K on my press and accessories. It costs me about $1.90 for the bags, and $0.70 in parchment to press the rosin from an ounce of dried flower. That's about $42 per lb. I can press 1lb flower in 6hrs.

The minimum cost of a recovery pot still is about $220. The cost of high proof alcohol is about $90 per liter. With recovery, you'd lose about 2-3 liters per lb of dried flower. You could only distill about 1/3 of a 1 lb batch of flower at a time, so it would take roughly 14-16 hrs. If you make your own high proof ethanol, the costs would be about the same as pressing rosin. A reflux column is needed to get the needed high proof ethanol in a single pass. The flute column stills I recommend start at around $1500 USD + shipping and taxes.

Note that these figures are for Canada. Everclear is not generally available here.
 
Old Salt said:
Like other methods the recovery depends on the source material. I get 15 - 20%, others have gotten as much as 25%. Rick Simpson got about 60ml RSO from a lb of dried flower, or about 13%. RSO has a specific gravity around 1.0, or weighs close to 1gm /ml. That comparison needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as when Rick was making his extract the potency of flower was generally lower.

Yes, I spent close to $1K on my press and accessories. It costs me about $1.90 for the bags, and $0.70 in parchment to press the rosin from an ounce of dried flower. That's about $42 per lb. I can press 1lb flower in 6hrs.

The minimum cost of a recovery pot still is about $220. The cost of high proof alcohol is about $90 per liter. With recovery, you'd lose about 2-3 liters per lb of dried flower. You could only distill about 1/3 of a 1 lb batch of flower at a time, so it would take roughly 14-16 hrs. If you make your own high proof ethanol, the costs would be about the same as pressing rosin. A reflux column is needed to get the needed high proof ethanol in a single pass. The flute column stills I recommend start at around $1500 USD + shipping and taxes.

Note that these figures are for Canada. Everclear is not generally available here.
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15 to 20% recovery is pretty impressive considering most strains are under 20% so it sounds like you are getting most of the rosin. I’m not surprised Rick Simpson is only getting about 13% because when I smoked some of the bud I had washed with alcohol it still had a kick to it so I assumed a lot was left behind. I was thinking I should weigh my bud after I decarb it and then again after I wash it once the alcohol evaporates and I heated it up again to make sure it is totally dry and I would think that would give me a pretty good idea of what percentage I extracted.

Even if I’m only getting 13% doing alcohol washes instead of 15 to 20% squishing I can live with that because I grow a lot more than I need. I would have to do a lot of pressing to justify $1K. I actually originally made a 1 ½ inch column reflux still with a 5-gallon pot but a few years ago I made a 3 inch one with a 20-gallon pot for spirit runs but I also have a stripping still with a 200 L pot. I get that 200 L pot run to about 45% then into my column still down to 95% and I end up with about 5 gallons so I haven’t had to do any runs in about two years because it lasted me that long with lots left but I think this year I’ll do a run so I can use all the alcohol I want in my cannabis washes. At some point, I may rig up some kind of recovery still.

Instructions make a big deal about only washing your bud in alcohol for about three minutes to avoid chlorophyll but my recent test samples were five minutes, one hour and 17 hours and I didn’t notice much more chlorophyll in the 17 hour one. People also recommend putting the alcohol in the freezer but with only 13% recovery and not a lot of chlorophyll, I’m thinking of actually heating my alcohol as an experiment to see if I can increase my extraction yields.

Anyway thanks for the info Old Salt. That book you recommended is guaranteed to arrive by tomorrow so I don’t think I will do any extractions till I give it a good gander.
 
I had a pleasant surprise when lights came on this afternoon. Bruce Banner has broken ground!!! She is wearing her shell as a hat but plants are so delicate at this stage I am going to wait till tomorrow before I remove it hoping she can shirk it off herself.


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Homer Simpson said:
I had a pleasant surprise when lights came on this afternoon. Bruce Banner has broken ground!!! She is wearing her shell as a hat but plants are so delicate at this stage I am going to wait till tomorrow before I remove it hoping she can shirk it off herself.


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Nice image and presentation Homer. You've got a good eye. Did you ever consider entering the Seedsman contests?
 
Old Salt said:
Nice image and presentation Homer. You've got a good eye. Did you ever consider entering the Seedsman contests?
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Thanks, Old Salt. I had never heard of Seedman contests so I had a look at the contest page on their site and it said to enter contests to go to their Facebook or Instagram sites but I got rid of my FB and never had Instagram so it isn't meant to be.

That book arrived today you suggested to me and I was surprised how thick it was at almost 300 pages because I expected it to be a rather brief how-to manual; it should be interesting. It is in a 3-day quarantine for now.
 
The Celt said:
@Homer Simpson ,

the contest is Here on the forum, there are 2 of them and as far as I know there is still room for more growers
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Thanks, Celt but I think Old Salt was talking about photo contests. Had a look at the link but since I grow only 2 to 4 plants at a time I have my grow list planned for a while into the future.
 
Homer Simpson said:
Thanks, Celt but I think Old Salt was talking about photo contests. Had a look at the link but since I grow only 2 to 4 plants at a time I have my grow list planned for a while into the future.
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It looks like they're not running it this year. They had seasonal photo contests, and an annual one. the prizes were impressive.
 
Homer Simpson said:
I had a pleasant surprise when lights came on this afternoon. Bruce Banner has broken ground!!! She is wearing her shell as a hat but plants are so delicate at this stage I am going to wait till tomorrow before I remove it hoping she can shirk it off herself.


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Homer...looks like a great inspiration poster...needs a great caption and you have the edit ware. I was listening to some REO Speedwagon Live during watering last week...I would suggest “Keep A Pushin”...might have the song name wrong....right idea. Looks great.
 
Old Salt said:
It looks like they're not running it this year. They had seasonal photo contests, and an annual one. the prizes were impressive.
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I would not doubt if not running it this year is due to the virus. Thanks for the heads up Old Salt. I will keep my eye out to see if they start them up again.
 
cr8grow said:
Homer...looks like a great inspiration poster...needs a great caption and you have the edit ware. I was listening to some REO Speedwagon Live during watering last week...I would suggest “Keep A Pushin”...might have the song name wrong....right idea. Looks great.
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I looked up the song by REO and it is Keep Pushin' so there you go. Use it any way you like. Cool idea!

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