Haight Solid State vs. H.G.LED

Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

agreed. let them finish individually to whatever trich development you are shooting for, and if it takes longer for one light to get there then that's the kind of info we're looking for.

I was re-thinking this little debate and came up with a workable solution that will unite the two opinions:

Choose a spot on the main cola, say the 3rd sugar leaf down from the top on each plant.

Remove that leaf, and cut the middle 1/8 inch away, and count the triches and percentage amber, etc.

Do this on each plant to determine when to harvest. This way, each plant is being handled the same way, and there is a consistent "rule" on how to measure the harvest window.

It will take a bit of work, but if SS is anything like me, he checks his trichomes quite a bit as the time draws near.

This technique would allow several measurements to be taken.

Of course, there is another variable to consider:

If they are chopped on different days, they will cure at different rates, which could influence the final yield calculations.

To deal with this variable, a triche check could be employed as follows:

Harvest all plants when the 3rd. sugar leaf from the top of each plant meets the following criteria:

Not less than 10% amber, not more than 60%.
So, if the four plants under one light vary from 15-50%, time to harvest.
If the variation is 5% to 40%, must wait.
If the variation is such that one plant is at 60% before another is at 10%, Harvest the 60 and wait on the others until the laggard is at 10%.

The more I think about it, the more doing a comparison grow is a total pain in the ass. Major props to Setting Sun for doing this. :cheertwo:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

...As far as the statistics go, you really only need about 25 random samples of a population to determine population parameters, and calculate variance, if I recall my my prop/stat class correctly. .

It's been 35 years since I took statistics, but I think I remember that it takes a sample of at least 1,000 to get accuracy within a couple of percentage points. I don't know if the variance within a plant strain is reflected in that, or whether there are other parameters to consider with a plant harvest test.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

In all honesty, I trust your subjective opinion after you put together all the factors from the weight of the finished product to how it smokes and it's flavor and get a few friends opinions too, blind test though, smoke them out on separate days with the different types and see if they immediately notice any difference...count how often they ask for more etc. Sounds like more fun anyway...more chances to get high with friends :grinjoint:.

I know you are grow support for a reason. I trust you and this site. After all, anytime a test is subjective and anything involving taste is subjective, you need to trust your judges. ;)

:peace: my friend.


Thanks for the vote of confidence MH ;).
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Well that took about 3 hours to read and catch up! Great information and much learned and still being taken in ! Whew!
Awesome comp grow SS. I just recently got my PFF-800 and really like it so far, only 2 days in to flower right now. :goodluck: on the harvest!


wow, thanks for reading through!

thank you jawasan!

I am very curious to see how the PPF-800 will work for you.

thanks for coming aboard ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

(snipped good stuff)

The more I think about it, the more doing a comparison grow is a total pain in the ass. Major props to Setting Sun for doing this. :cheertwo:


LOL!

yeah, a personal med grow will be like a stroll through the park after this mofo ;)


thank you doc, I'm hoping all the work will provide some useful info, and that will make it all worthwhile.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

one light could produce twice the yeild of the other but needs an extra week or 2 , that would convince people it was the better light, we wont know this if they got chopped at the same time, i think chop when ready!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Originally Posted by OldMedMan View Post
I still say, let them finish individually. I as a grower I would be concerned about final quality and quantity, more than any thing else. If you chop them at the same time, what have we learned? That the lights can veg and bloom plants nothing more.

agreed. let them finish individually to whatever trich development you are shooting for, and if it takes longer for one light to get there then that's the kind of info we're looking for.

I have to put my datapoint on this side of the venn diagram....

Harvest when the plants are ready. :grinjoint:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I like Doc buds thoughts on chopping when ready but with preset parameters. Whatever the parameters may be the plants likely won't reach them at the same time. As far as curing, should they be cured for the same amount of tine or til judged to be ready? Another variable, as one may be more dense and require more drying time. Or going by Setting Suns judgment may be a variable in itself, although we all have gained much respect for him during this great grow. I for one trust his judgment on this matter, but have no input as I have no experience in curing buds, Just smoking them! Wouldn't it be funny if after all this, they finished at the same time? :peace:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I feel like I'd be shirking my duty, quitting when the going got tough, and letting you and Ms. Sun down if I kept my silence and didn't share my carefully considered opinion on EXACTLY what you should do with the harvest...

Smoke it. :cheesygrinsmiley:

Sorry man, I've got a warped sense of humor. ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I feel like I'd be shirking my duty, quitting when the going got tough, and letting you and Ms. Sun down if I kept my silence and didn't share my carefully considered opinion on EXACTLY what you should do with the harvest...

Smoke it. :cheesygrinsmiley:

Sorry man, I've got a warped sense of humor. ;)

Maybe I have no sense of humor, because that seems entirely logical.RoorRip

Thanks again for the great job, SS.:goodluck:
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

eh, what the hell. . . everyone else is weighing in,

i say chop them all together.
i think flowering time relies more heavily on genetics than environment.
and your environments are so close, i think they will finish within a day or two of each other.
also i think that if people think that they harvest at the "perfect" time they're fooling themselves.
tric's don't go from 20% cloudy to 60% amber over night.
i think that the period when the plant is fully ripe probably spans an entire week.
with experience with a strain and knowing your own preferences to the cerebral/body ratio, you may be able to narrow that down to a few days

if your plants do indeed finish within a few days of each other,
and since you are unfamiliar with the strain we can consider your harvest time - standard deviation of error - to be a few days,
I think your best bet would to be to just take them all when they all average their supposed flower time given by the breeder, obviously tweaked if any big aberrations in tric color present themselves upon flower week.

just my 2 cents.
WOF
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Maybe I have no sense of humor, because that seems entirely logical.RoorRip

Thanks again for the great job, SS.:goodluck:

I was just playin on everyone offering opinions... :cheesygrinsmiley:

I'm sure Sun will harvest no plant before it's time. Kinda like the Gallo of cannabis... ;)
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Hi,

I been following this thread for some time. SS, you have been doing a mighty fine job with this grow report. However, I can no longer remain lurking in the background. Cutting a plant down before it's time is a crime! That criminal task belongs to the DEA.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

If we are still on the harvest issue...I would like to contribute my 2cents even if somebody said the same already.

I think you should harvest when they are ready. If one side is done, and the other is not, it would be like buying a new car, waiting until it is almost paid off, and then defaulting on the loan and getting the car repo-ed. Silly!

I think harvesting when the plants are done, but documenting when that side finished and when this side finishes, we will be able to say, okay, the hss took this long, and the hgl took this long.

At this rate, you can still harvest fully ripened plants, without shortening yourself or losing quality, and you can still document the excessive or early times of flowering.

Ya digg??

My 2cents!

-GO
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

I will add to your 2 cents with my 2 cents.
I agree Finishing time should be one of the deciding factors with the lights.
Which one finishes first is a plus.
Why make things so complicated for yourself SS.
It's done when it's done.
Have you mentioned what is the trich color percentage you are looking for?
Thanks for all your doing Setting Sun!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Someone contact Phillip-Morris...I'm sure they have all this down to a science. Just don't let them talk you into curing with poisonous chemicals to improve flammability, etc.
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

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Buds seem to be fattening up fairly well on both groups. Even feeding the full FF schedule, I'm seeing only the slightest tip burn on a couple of the plants. Still going 3-4 days between waterings/feedings. They're smelling better every day!

Long day today, so I'm not thinking very straight, but all is well and I'm happy with how bloom is going.

thanks for following!
 
Re: 420 Consumer Reports Competition - Haight Solid State vs. Hydro Grow LED

Nice.
 
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