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12 hours later and they've already rebounded.
Growing Without Bloom Nutes By Farside05
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Day 38
Did all my work yesterday so today is just picture day. They didn't miss a lick from the defol. It's hard to tell where one plant ends and the other begins. The best plant right now is GSC back left. Great structure. The second best is the front left GG.
Did all my work yesterday so today is just picture day. They didn't miss a lick from the defol. It's hard to tell where one plant ends and the other begins. The best plant right now is GSC back left. Great structure. The second best is the front left GG.
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Day 39
Just pics again today. I should have some Mega Crop (fertilizer) show up tomorrow. Originally thought I'd just run it next grow but I'm anxious to try it out. The 2 GSC's show a slight tip burn, the GG's do not. Maybe I'll try the Mega Crop on the GSC's and see if they like it better.
Just pics again today. I should have some Mega Crop (fertilizer) show up tomorrow. Originally thought I'd just run it next grow but I'm anxious to try it out. The 2 GSC's show a slight tip burn, the GG's do not. Maybe I'll try the Mega Crop on the GSC's and see if they like it better.
JustMeds
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I used this stuff before and had good results.
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Whew! 4-20-39 N-P-K. Simplifed that and its a 1-5-10 ratio. I bet you didn't have to use much of it. That's some concentrated stuff. Using it would kind of go against the general premise of the thread. I'm targeting more of a 3-1-3 ratio throughout the grow. Might make for a good K supplement.
JustMeds
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Just throwing it out there. I did not kill my shit.... LOL
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Day 40
Daily photo updates. They will probably need fed tomorrow. Mega Crop should arrive today. That leaves decisions on what to feed tomorrow. Hmm. Plants have stretched more. Tops now sit at 60k lux. Probably raise them tomorrow when I do feeding and maintenance.
Daily photo updates. They will probably need fed tomorrow. Mega Crop should arrive today. That leaves decisions on what to feed tomorrow. Hmm. Plants have stretched more. Tops now sit at 60k lux. Probably raise them tomorrow when I do feeding and maintenance.
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So my "Free Sample" of Mega Crop came in the mail today. Kinda amusing. They must just have 1 size bag and just fill it with different amounts of product. My 300g bag is huge yet there is hardly any product in it. Unless the folks at Greenleaf took their packaging tips from Lays Potato Chips. That said, I measured 5g of powder and mixed up a gallon of feed to get some numbers on it. 5g of Mega Crop raises the PPM of a gallon of water by 750. That's just about the same as me adding my current blend of 4ml Foliage Pro, 4ml Pro Silica, 5ml of Cal Mag, and 5ml of Terpinator. It takes a VERY SMALL amount of Mega Crop to get to that 5g number, so even though the bag looks pretty empty with just 300g in a huge bag, its gonna last a while. Its should make about 60 gallons of feed at this strength. It took my tap water from 8.2pH to 6.4 on its own. I am comfortable feeding at that pH in Pro Mix and will not adjust the pH further. Another interesting thing about the packaging, it says a NPK of 9-6-17 and the website says their 2.0 formula is 10-7-18. Supposedly the 2.0 version began shipping in December. I do not know if they are sending out old product for their samples and clearing inventory, or if they are using up old packaging inventory with the 2.0 version of the product inside. I have not seen an image of any packing that shows the new formula. I sent Greenleaf and e-mail for clarification. It reads as follows:
I recently ordered a 300g bag of your Mega Crop product. The website touts the new formula as 10-7-18 yet the packaging says 9-6-17. Any idea which of the two is correct? I got the "Free Sample". Are you sending out the old product as the free samples to clear inventory, or have you not updated the packaging yet since the new formula change over is relatively recent? Either way, I'm sure it will work fine as there is not that drastic of a difference. Just curious so I can inform other members on 420 Magazine Forum. Thanks for the opportunity to try your product at a discount. I'm looking forward to it.
We'll see what kind of response I get and I will post their reply.
I recently ordered a 300g bag of your Mega Crop product. The website touts the new formula as 10-7-18 yet the packaging says 9-6-17. Any idea which of the two is correct? I got the "Free Sample". Are you sending out the old product as the free samples to clear inventory, or have you not updated the packaging yet since the new formula change over is relatively recent? Either way, I'm sure it will work fine as there is not that drastic of a difference. Just curious so I can inform other members on 420 Magazine Forum. Thanks for the opportunity to try your product at a discount. I'm looking forward to it.
We'll see what kind of response I get and I will post their reply.
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So Greenleaf gets back to me with this response:
HI, its the same thing and same formula!
What the hell does that mean? Did that actually answer my question? In my mind, no. So I send the another e-mail:
Your short answer doesn't really answer my question. Your website specifically says there is a new formula as of 12/15/18 and your website gives a different NPK than what is on the bag I have received. Either I have the old version and and the bag matches the product inside, the formula inside the bag doesn't match the label, or the website does not correctly express the numbers of the product and on the bag. I guess there's even a fourth option, there was never a new formula in the first place. I don't mean to sound pissy, but i am very analytical and it carries over into my growing. I like to have all the numbers and have an extensive number of spreadsheets I plug all my data into.
Their reply;
Bag labels are just minimum. Use the Elemental calculator for exact ppm levels.
WTF. I guess this guy is on track to be a politician since he never directly answers questions, at least not to my satisfaction. So I'll make some inferences here. The company expects the N-P-K to be 10-7-18 but the guaranteed minimum is 9-6-17. Of course labels and packaging can only publish the guaranteed minimum, hence why the lower numbers are what you see on the bag. At least that's what I'm gonna roll with.
HI, its the same thing and same formula!
What the hell does that mean? Did that actually answer my question? In my mind, no. So I send the another e-mail:
Your short answer doesn't really answer my question. Your website specifically says there is a new formula as of 12/15/18 and your website gives a different NPK than what is on the bag I have received. Either I have the old version and and the bag matches the product inside, the formula inside the bag doesn't match the label, or the website does not correctly express the numbers of the product and on the bag. I guess there's even a fourth option, there was never a new formula in the first place. I don't mean to sound pissy, but i am very analytical and it carries over into my growing. I like to have all the numbers and have an extensive number of spreadsheets I plug all my data into.
Their reply;
Bag labels are just minimum. Use the Elemental calculator for exact ppm levels.
WTF. I guess this guy is on track to be a politician since he never directly answers questions, at least not to my satisfaction. So I'll make some inferences here. The company expects the N-P-K to be 10-7-18 but the guaranteed minimum is 9-6-17. Of course labels and packaging can only publish the guaranteed minimum, hence why the lower numbers are what you see on the bag. At least that's what I'm gonna roll with.
JustMeds
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I would error on the heavy numbers then you won't burn shit.
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Day 41
They look a little droopy this AM because they were ready for a drink. I'm sure by this evening they will be back to their perky selves. Ended up feeding them all Mega Crop. 5g per gallon. Ran 3 gallons through each to get decent runoff.
They look a little droopy this AM because they were ready for a drink. I'm sure by this evening they will be back to their perky selves. Ended up feeding them all Mega Crop. 5g per gallon. Ran 3 gallons through each to get decent runoff.
Icetech
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I think i have been over-watering a bit.. waiting for some droop myself to get a better feeling for it.
fanleaf
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When I started growing learning about the nutes and pH and stuff. I did follow all the schedules.
Anyways. For my last two grows I've feed the same thing every feeding. From start to finish. No bloom nutes.
Here is something current. In week 4 flower.
And here is mine at week 4 of flower with Bloom Nutes......Wonder what you are missing lol.
fanleaf
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@farside05 so am I right that you are adding what most would consider a flowering nutrient at 9-6-17? That will probably really help to pack on some weight!
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It is a bit of a departure. Was interested primarily because it's a 1 part nute and less mixing. I wouldn't nescessarily call it a traditional bloom nute because the general makeup of most bloom nutes cuts N and increases P. The N is still higher than P. The Mega Crop is just really high in K. I don't know if I'll continue using the Mega this grow or go back to my other mix for the remainder. Was just hot to trot to play with a new toy.
Caught up! Great info here and thanks for all the nute info over in my thread as well. 
Are you still pH'ing your nutes? I've stopped completely after that whole conversation with ProMix Guy.
Oh, plants look terrific btw
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Are you still pH'ing your nutes? I've stopped completely after that whole conversation with ProMix Guy.
What's the deal with flushing mid-grow? If you water to runoff every time is "clearing the salts from the soil" necessary? I was in another thread where someone posted that salts restricts water uptake and if you use synthetic nutes you need to flush the soil of salts two weeks before harvest due to the increased PPM used in flower. I said that if you water to runoff it isn't necessary and got a load of pushback on that.
I can't imagine ever using up the open bottle of Terp I have, but I only use it after buds are forming. Don't think I would even if I ran it the whole grow!
So if you had watered to runoff then the flush would not have been necessary, yes?
Oh, plants look terrific btw
.To be honest. I just started three seedlings and I'm going to rethink my nute schedule. I was thinking floraflex v1 v2 b1 b2And here is mine at week 4 of flower with Bloom Nutes......Wonder what you are missing lol.
fanleaf
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Actually Salt water can and is often used to kill weeds. When levels build up is when it creates issues. I have seen many plants salted up badly recover from near death after a good flush.Caught up! Great info here and thanks for all the nute info over in my thread as well.
Are you still pH'ing your nutes? I've stopped completely after that whole conversation with ProMix Guy.
What's the deal with flushing mid-grow? If you water to runoff every time is "clearing the salts from the soil" necessary? I was in another thread where someone posted that salts restricts water uptake and if you use synthetic nutes you need to flush the soil of salts two weeks before harvest due to the increased PPM used in flower. I said that if you water to runoff it isn't necessary and got a load of pushback on that.
I can't imagine ever using up the open bottle of Terp I have, but I only use it after buds are forming. Don't think I would even if I ran it the whole grow!
So if you had watered to runoff then the flush would not have been necessary, yes?
Oh, plants look terrific btw
The word salt has a different meaning in fertilizer than it does in cooking. Salting the earth of your enemies to kill their soil is NaCl or table salt. The salts in fertililzer are completely different.
To quote from the post on page 1:
"Chemists use the word salt quite differently. For them, a salt is any molecule that is made up of two or more ions. Sodium chloride (NaCl) is made up of two ions; sodium and chlorine. Ammonium nitrate (NH4NO3) is also a salt and is made up of an ammonium ion (NH4) and a nitrate ion (NO3). Potassium chloride (KCl) is common in fertilizer and is made up of a potassium ion (K) and a chlorine ion (Cl). There are hundreds of different salts. "
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And here is mine at week 4 of flower with Bloom Nutes......Wonder what you are missing lol.
Comparing yours and his at 4 weeks is quite a bit of simplification (bloom nutes vs single feed throughout). Strain, environment, lights, which is an obvious one, his blurple vs your cobs, all factor in. Now if they were both in the same tent, same strain, being fed different, then there would be more hard proof. I've personally done that comparison and there was no notable difference.