Graytail's Cupwinners in High Brix Soil - 4x4 - 600W HPS - Perpetual

The fabulous 18-brix Carnival Cut2 is dried and jarred and yielded 83 grams, 2.93 ounces over 140 days = 0.593 grams/day. Not bad. :cheesygrinsmiley:

The strain has very nice bud presentation. They've consistantly been dense and frosty with some rusty color to them. And it's kickass weed, too. :blunt: This is one-hit pot for most people.

Carn2 - 140 days old - 69 days 12/12 - 61 days since pistils - brix 18/18 - Harvest
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I did a goofy thing for the heck of it.

I had Carn2's leftover pot and carcass to recycle, and I wanted to up-pot Grapefruit Cut2, and I thought, hmm ... Carn2 loved this soil enough to produce 18 brix, so what if I just cut Carn2 outta there and popped GF2 in its place? I've read that undisturbed biota populations perform better than tilled ones, for instance, and the biota and soil must be in great tune already, with plenty of mycos on all the existing undisturbed roots of the same species.

So I have my nice serrated knife. I saw through the old rootball keeping a slight taper to accomodate the new rootball.

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I pull the old one out.


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I dig enough out of the sides to fit the new rootball.

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I dust the hole with Roots.

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Here's the new rootball.

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Dust that down, too.

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And I forgot to get a pic of the finished product, but if you use your imagination ...

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So now I'll see if it works better or worse than new soil. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
Nice idea, one of my friends swears by the no till approach. He uses huge pots though, probably 30 or so gallons. Just cuts out rootball, top dresses piles on the outside and transplants a new one in. Cool to try that, makes me wanna.

+reps for trying stuff
 
I did a goofy thing for the heck of it.

I had Carn2's leftover pot and carcass to recycle, and I wanted to up-pot Grapefruit Cut2, and I thought, hmm ... Carn2 loved this soil enough to produce 18 brix, so what if I just cut Carn2 outta there and popped GF2 in its place? I've read that undisturbed biota populations perform better than tilled ones, for instance, and the biota and soil must be in great tune already, with plenty of mycos on all the existing undisturbed roots of the same species.

So I have my nice serrated knife. I saw through the old rootball keeping a slight taper to accomodate the new rootball.

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I pull the old one out.


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I dig enough out of the sides to fit the new rootball.

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I dust the hole with Roots.

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Here's the new rootball.

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Dust that down, too.

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And I forgot to get a pic of the finished product, but if you use your imagination ...

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So now I'll see if it works better or worse than new soil. :cheesygrinsmiley:

This is fantastic GT!!! I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out :high-five:
 
I think it will turn fantastic as weed rarely uses all P & K in soil when grown indoor.
 
Nice idea, one of my friends swears by the no till approach. He uses huge pots though, probably 30 or so gallons. Just cuts out rootball, top dresses piles on the outside and transplants a new one in. Cool to try that, makes me wanna.

+reps for trying stuff

Appreciate it! :thumb:

Graytail, great idea to keep used roots and make room for new root ball.

This is fantastic GT!!! I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out :high-five:

Nice experiment. :thumb:

I think it will turn fantastic as weed rarely uses all P & K in soil when grown indoor.

i once stuck a cutting into a hole where i had just ripped out a male. it rooted fantastically.

Heheh, maybe it's a pretty good idea, then ...

I have an early sign to show - these tips look different than the rest of the plant, don't they? Just one day later. We'll see ...

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The cuts I dumped in water over two weeks ago are still happily growing. I'll plant them this week. :cheesygrinsmiley:

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Good question. I'm a little confused about the amendment requirements. I, of course, add the initial amendment during the cook, and topdress with more a couple weeks into bloom, as the directions say. But when I dump the old soil back for a recook, I add another portion of amendment, with 3 pounds of EWC per pot, and a bunch of Roots and trimmings as I take them. That bin keeps getting added to until it's full, and then I put it on the bottom of the stack o' bins until its turn comes up.

But ... I'm not sure that's correct. If I'm reading things right, others don't add amendment when they recycle the soil. So ... do I have too much amendment? If I do, it hasn't become apparent yet.

So, to answer the question, I'll topdress/recharge at the scheduled time in bloom, but I'm a tad concerned about the mineral levels so I'll leave this one as it is. I'm pretty sure my humic levels are good, so no need for EWC at this point, the biota and mycos should be numerous and happy.
 
Ah. Yes, I see.

That was the first thing I thought of, but this soil isn't "used up" in any significant way, I don't think. It has plenty of minerals and biota, so they'll continue to break down minerals into NPK and such, so that source shouldn't be depleted. And we still feed with this soil. Energy is just a good fishy calcium nitrate, and the Transplant drench has sulphates/phosphates, etc. I considered a remedial dose of Energy to raise the N as you suggest, but I'm not sure why there wouldn't be plenty as it is. One week ago, these roots were alive and coated with mycos and the biota was producing 18 brix for the Carnival. The soil was perfect for a blooming plant - maybe not perfect for a veg plant. But if I understand this HB method properly, healthy HB soil is healthy HB soil - we adjust for veg and bloom with the foliars and drenches.

... I think ... :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
i once stuck a cutting into a hole where i had just ripped out a male. it rooted fantastically.
Can you get into detail about that technique? I'm like batting 0 for 100 in the clone department. I've tried nearly every technique mentioned here on 420.



Also Gray, can you show the roots of the solo cup 2 week plus old clones? I have a cutting that's been in a cup of water for over 5 weeks and still has no roots but it was taken during flowering & is from my mutant. It's still healthy.
 
I could still topdress without disturbing the rootmass ...

At least, I'll know what to try if she starts flagging. I'll topdress with 3 pounds of EWC and water it in with a dose of Energy/Tea. The EWC is the only thing that might be deficient.
 
Can you get into detail about that technique? I'm like batting 0 for 100 in the clone department. I've tried nearly every technique mentioned here on 420.

Also Gray, can you show the roots of the solo cup 2 week plus old clones? I have a cutting that's been in a cup of water for over 5 weeks and still has no roots but it was taken during flowering & is from my mutant. It's still healthy.

Nice idea! I don't think I've run across photos of a clone in water. Here ya go. See all the white nubbies? These are ready to rock.

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And this is pure benign neglect. I did nuttin, repeat nuttin. I just trimmed off the long bottom branches and stuck 'em in a couple inches of water, which evaporates down to less than an inch before I get around to rousting my lazy azz to dribble some more in there. Some of them, including the ones that have already rooted (and sooner than the others), were parts of the stems. I cut them into three pieces and stuck 'em all in water or dirt. The bottom pieces did well. :blunt:

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