Checking some beans tonight. This would be great for my afghani guerrilla action this summer....thanks!
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Wow, Thanks for the attention to my half baked ramblings.
"Teaming with Microbes " is definitely on my reading list. The other link is fascinating and is really helping with my understanding of the processes.
I have been focussing on interaction between roots and the mycos, and have a lot of reading to do before I feel like I understand how the bacteria fit in.
I was under the impression that the carbohydrate component of root exudates fed the mycos directly.
The article on rhizosphere management is fascinating. Discussion of the chemical composition of the exudates really caught my attention, particularly the acid phosphatases. That specific article is very much about optimization of the existing agricultural economic methods, not so much by harnessing the power of the SFW, but by recognizing the role of the rhizosphere and formulating and timing fertilizer applications to cooperate with existing interactions between roots and soil chemistry. Nevertheless, the article offers important insight, and has helped me to understand some of the magic in Doc's kit methods, particularly the cat drench.
The article mentions carbon based acids and acid phosphatates. It even mentions the role of exudates in leaching metals in the soil, but falls short of mentioning the role these chemicals play in breaking down native rocks, and turning them into food, and meds.
I have some background in hydrometalurgy, and I can testify to the power of organic phosphates to leach all kinds of trace minerals from aqueous solutions.
Now I'm starting to think of the role of the mycos not only as symbiotes that greatly extend the capcity of our favourite plant to gather nutrients from the soil, but as a potential transport partner, helping delivery of organic acids to rock particles that lie beyond the reach of the roots alone.
As far as the breeding ideas, I was looking at the potential of the Amazon indica not because of it's uniqueness in tasted, etc., I find it interesting because it has indica growth habits, but, unlike the Afghan strains, is adapted to grow in rain forest.
My recent reading tells me tropical rain forests are notorious for soils that are almost completely devoid of available nutrients, except where there has also been recent volcanic activity or other disturbances that dump a lot of minerals at once into the system. Plants that thrive in such soils have No choice but to be wholly dependent on the SFW for providing needed nutrients.
So getting back to the breeding, I like the Amazon because I think it might be already programmed to make full use of the SFW. it seems to me that strains grown in low nutrient soils will have the most highly tuned and effective living soil interactions.
I can hardly comment on the potential of the Brazilian indicated from a connoisseur perspective, since my smoking experience has been limited to the local market, with some exotic adventures traveling. My favourite strain I've tasted so far is silver haze. I loved the giggliness, and as for a social high, while flying on the haze it becomes the most natural thing in the world to be the host of the party and ensure everyone is laughing. Anyhow, I want more of that! The silver haze, and a lot of other haze strains, have at least a little bit of Afghani in their ancestry. It is my understanding that indica or indica hybrids were added to attempt to tame the wild sativas that dominate the lineage. I was just thinking that using an indica strain that has adapted to an environment that is similar to the sativas (whose properties we are interested in as patients, connoisseurs, or simply as stoners) offers an interesting strategy.
And Thank you sweetsue for having the patience to read through my wall of text. It is an honour from someone who is helping me explore the extraordinary world of the rhizosphere, perhaps without even knowing.
Arise, fellow rhizmonauts, and help show the world How the billions of life forms in the SFW can help solve some of the world's most pressing problems.
"Teaming with Microbes " is definitely on my reading list. The other link is fascinating and is really helping with my understanding of the processes.
I have been focussing on interaction between roots and the mycos, and have a lot of reading to do before I feel like I understand how the bacteria fit in.
I was under the impression that the carbohydrate component of root exudates fed the mycos directly.
The article on rhizosphere management is fascinating. Discussion of the chemical composition of the exudates really caught my attention, particularly the acid phosphatases. That specific article is very much about optimization of the existing agricultural economic methods, not so much by harnessing the power of the SFW, but by recognizing the role of the rhizosphere and formulating and timing fertilizer applications to cooperate with existing interactions between roots and soil chemistry. Nevertheless, the article offers important insight, and has helped me to understand some of the magic in Doc's kit methods, particularly the cat drench.
The article mentions carbon based acids and acid phosphatates. It even mentions the role of exudates in leaching metals in the soil, but falls short of mentioning the role these chemicals play in breaking down native rocks, and turning them into food, and meds.
I have some background in hydrometalurgy, and I can testify to the power of organic phosphates to leach all kinds of trace minerals from aqueous solutions.
Now I'm starting to think of the role of the mycos not only as symbiotes that greatly extend the capcity of our favourite plant to gather nutrients from the soil, but as a potential transport partner, helping delivery of organic acids to rock particles that lie beyond the reach of the roots alone.
As far as the breeding ideas, I was looking at the potential of the Amazon indica not because of it's uniqueness in tasted, etc., I find it interesting because it has indica growth habits, but, unlike the Afghan strains, is adapted to grow in rain forest.
My recent reading tells me tropical rain forests are notorious for soils that are almost completely devoid of available nutrients, except where there has also been recent volcanic activity or other disturbances that dump a lot of minerals at once into the system. Plants that thrive in such soils have No choice but to be wholly dependent on the SFW for providing needed nutrients.
So getting back to the breeding, I like the Amazon because I think it might be already programmed to make full use of the SFW. it seems to me that strains grown in low nutrient soils will have the most highly tuned and effective living soil interactions.
I can hardly comment on the potential of the Brazilian indicated from a connoisseur perspective, since my smoking experience has been limited to the local market, with some exotic adventures traveling. My favourite strain I've tasted so far is silver haze. I loved the giggliness, and as for a social high, while flying on the haze it becomes the most natural thing in the world to be the host of the party and ensure everyone is laughing. Anyhow, I want more of that! The silver haze, and a lot of other haze strains, have at least a little bit of Afghani in their ancestry. It is my understanding that indica or indica hybrids were added to attempt to tame the wild sativas that dominate the lineage. I was just thinking that using an indica strain that has adapted to an environment that is similar to the sativas (whose properties we are interested in as patients, connoisseurs, or simply as stoners) offers an interesting strategy.
And Thank you sweetsue for having the patience to read through my wall of text. It is an honour from someone who is helping me explore the extraordinary world of the rhizosphere, perhaps without even knowing.
Arise, fellow rhizmonauts, and help show the world How the billions of life forms in the SFW can help solve some of the world's most pressing problems.
heck if it increases your chances of a female, why not try it? I wonder if the seed banks use it..
"Feminized" = round volcano hole and 2X $$.
Conradino23
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SSH is not really Haze in original meaning as Haze Bros who were from Sacramento if I remember well were growing it. In the beginning it was Highland Thai x Colombian (Santa Marta) Gold and different father was used every year for pollination. SSH is Neville's Haze x Skunk #1/Northern Lights #5, which makes it around 70% sativa. I never smoked it actually, but I believe it's not as good as a pure equatorial sativa 
Anyway, I saw very dark leaves in pure sativaz and very light depending on genetics, but it's mostly nitrogen heavy ferts that make the leaves so dark, so that's why it won't show so much in HB grows One question Gray, was there significant cut in yield since you started using Doc's kit or it stayed more or less the same? I think I'm sold on low potassium/phosphorus school, but I've been pondering this one 
Anyway, I saw very dark leaves in pure sativaz and very light depending on genetics, but it's mostly nitrogen heavy ferts that make the leaves so dark, so that's why it won't show so much in HB grows One question Gray, was there significant cut in yield since you started using Doc's kit or it stayed more or less the same? I think I'm sold on low potassium/phosphorus school, but I've been pondering this one - Thread starter
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I don't have experience with other soils besides the mineralized and the straight OC+, so I can't say. I know that I watch other grows, and when everything in my room is humming along nicely, I turn out about an ounce per sqft, which seems to be in the ... dunno ... 85+ percentile?
So, HB soil sure doesn't lower yield, no. There's no way it can compete with hydro and production nutes for yield, though.
So, HB soil sure doesn't lower yield, no. There's no way it can compete with hydro and production nutes for yield, though.
...So, HB soil sure doesn't lower yield, no. There's no way it can compete with hydro and production nutes for yield, though.
[del] There's no way it can[/del] We have not yet found a way to compete with hydro and production nutes for yield, though. (FIXED )
Rascio, your writings enthralled and engaged me. Read that last post twice on the bus ride. Will probably read all three posts concerning this again tonight. I'm glad I've had some part in helping you understand the wonders of these tiny earthlings. I'm so new to this Rascio, but I study hard and fast and I have this passionate way of sharing it that seems to work well.
Oh and Conradino, ty. I was actually talking about a gram of Silver Haze, not SSH, which was also available, during a recent 4 hour layover in Amsterdam. I haven't tried SSH either, so far as I know. Is the silver haze somewhere between the true haze and SSH in lineage? I'm pretty sure it still has indica in it but maybe not as much as the SSH.
I have wondered this before, do you think that different mycos strains activate at different times of the plants life?
...and the weed is working..
...and the weed is working..
I have wondered this before, do you think that different mycos strains activate at different times of the plants life?
...and the weed is working..
What a seductive train of thought Ziggy. It's time to finally take a hit. Been on the go all day and celebrating mixing soil all night. It's 12:39 and I have yet to fill a bowl.
I have wondered this before, do you think that different mycos strains activate at different times of the plants life?
...and the weed is working..
I think people are just scratching the surface of understanding what's going on with those little guys. I wonder if strain hunters bring whole plants with native soil back to their breeding labs?
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Think how valuable a soil test would be - the strain and the native soil it grows in.
I'd like to have a better understanding of the relationship between exudates and the mycos that live on the roots. Do they also pass nutrients on to the plant, or do they grab and process minerals? I once saw a fascinating photo - I think PeeJay posted it - a very closeup photo of roots with grains of sand embedded in them, all wrapped up in mycos - literally attached to the grains.
I have wondered this before, do you think that different mycos strains activate at different times of the plants life?
...and the weed is working..
I'd like to have a better understanding of the relationship between exudates and the mycos that live on the roots. Do they also pass nutrients on to the plant, or do they grab and process minerals? I once saw a fascinating photo - I think PeeJay posted it - a very closeup photo of roots with grains of sand embedded in them, all wrapped up in mycos - literally attached to the grains.
This is a nice one. From Rhizosphere: environment and mycorrhizal fungi - MicrobeWiki
They are so beautiful and elegant.
They are so beautiful and elegant.
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I wonder if it's ok to post a guggle search - probably not ...
But you get a great bunch of pics if you search for _ mycorrhizae grains _ in Images.
This is the one I saw posted ... cool, huh?
But you get a great bunch of pics if you search for _ mycorrhizae grains _ in Images.
This is the one I saw posted ... cool, huh?
Let me try. 
One more search before bed. Almost blind here. Not falling asleep yet, but close.
One more search before bed. Almost blind here. Not falling asleep yet, but close.
I can't see clearly enough to keep looking. Definitely bedtime. See you tomorrow Greytail.
You know I have to go back to settings one more time. LOL!
You know I have to go back to settings one more time. LOL!
Growlow
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Hows it going mate? Been in hiding for a bit. Like before, your journals have a plethora of information and people seeking as much of it as possible. I am refreshed yet somewhat exhausted at the same time. Subbed!
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Dutty Panty
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Hey gray need to stop by more for sure. Been busy arguing with Los lovers and such. Plus 100+ notifications a day is tough to respond to at times.
Once again thanks for the heads up on high brix. If you are ever in my area. I'll treat you right.
Once again thanks for the heads up on high brix. If you are ever in my area. I'll treat you right.
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Great to see you again! I saw your username pop up and and wondered where you'd been.
The mods may remove that.
They'd rather have us quote that site instead of link to it. I was surprised to see that SH and SSH are basically the same strain. The only one I'm familiar with is SLH, with the lemon citral cross. The Green House one certainly doesn't have much indica influence, other than growth habit.Sure thing, Dutty.
You can turn notifications off, if you want to.
I just look at my settings to see what's new in my subscribed threads.BH x Destroyer was the first to pop ...
Desfran, Tikal and Panama are coming along nicely ...
Orange Hill Special is snug and cozy in a 1/5 gallon ...
And BH x Blue Blood is settled into her 7 gallon.
