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DrZiggy said:
I found the foliars sync with the HB soil, and its hit or miss with non HB soil. Some houseplants in non HB soil I have didn't particularly like the foliars.
theyre kind of like 'switches'...
I'm trying to use the foliars opposite the drenches on my plants. i.e. when using GE(growth), use Brix(reproductive), when Using Transplant(reproductive), use DeStress(growth).
This, from what I gathered from Docs info and I think him stating so himself, gets best results. :)
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Interesting Ziggy. Are you just starting to do this or have you been at it long enough to see noticeable results?
 
I've been trying to absorb as much knowledge as I can these last months, and I'm at that exciting stage (well to me anyhow ) when small parts are starting to make sense and even fit together.

Anyhow, I was thinking about different HB grows and the ongoing discussion of adjustments and different responses of the method to different strains, and I might have an interesting idea.

The prevailing view seems to be that tropical strains bred outdoors in soil yield the best results from the little without further tuning. Strains developed indoors,with hydro in mind, may not respond as well or require some adjustments.

Then I was reading some stuff about rain forest soils, and how plants thrive in conditions with almost no nutrients in the soil. The article I was reading talked about how rain forest plants are much more dependent than temperate plants on, you guessed it, mycos and the sfw.

Then I remembered how graytail's Brazilian Amazonia (which I understand to be a new world native indica) really rocked in the high brix soil. It makes sense to me that plants bred under nutrient rich conditions would, over time, become less dependent on their fungal friends only if the change in dependency conveyed an advantage. The possibility that jumps out at me is that plants bred for hydro, or for sterile , nutrient rich soils, produce less exudate, and are selected because the energy saved on exudate, is available for flowers. This may even be the case for landrace strains bred outdoors in soils that are naturally high in nutrients.

My thinking is that maybe different responses to the kit isn't an indica/sativa thing, or even a hydro/soil thing. Maybe the strains that really shine with the kit are the ones that include material from strains that are used to terrible soil. These strains take full advantage of the nutrient gathering capabilities of the mycos.


With this slightly different (or maybe I'm kidding myself and this idea has been hashed out) idea, different breeding strategies come to mind. Maybe the most popular indicas used in modern breeding programs have a relatively weak relationship with their native mycos, compared with the tropical sativas with whom they are crossed. Such crosses could wind up with poor myco relations.

I wonder what other rainforest indicas are out there? Maybe that Brazilian indica would be great stock for indica growth patterns, instead of the more temperate Afghani strains. I'd love to see crosses of that indica with something like original haze, or the tropical sativas it came from.

More than likely you're miles ahead of me on this and I'm just catching up. Whatever it is it's fascinating.
 
Graytail you seem to get some good pics with everything you take pics of. Can you share what lights you use amd the camera model type amd maybe the settings. I would love to take pics that good so I could do the same when I need to show something specific.
Thanks :)
 
It wasn't me that ran the Amazonia, although I have one I haven't popped yet. I think it was Smokey? Anyway, I hadn't thought about the mechanism for the difference in the salt lovers, but I think you're onto something. If we bypass the biota and directly supply the nutrients the plants need, then the exudates will certainly be different. Hydro breaks the link anyway. Even if the exudates call for a certain bacterium, that bacterium won't be there to bring the nutrient. Hmm, so does the plant ramp up that exudate if it gets no response? Over time, it would naturally exude more of that sugar. Then if you put that strain in a biologically active medium, it'll get an increased response from that bacterium. :cheesygrinsmiley:

So, the difference might be caused by an excess, rather than a deficiency. :hmmm:

xtrchessreal said:
Graytail you seem to get some good pics with everything you take pics of. Can you share what lights you use amd the camera model type amd maybe the settings. I would love to take pics that good so I could do the same when I need to show something specific.
Thanks :)
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I use an old Nikon Coolpix 4800 on a basic snapshot setting. I have trouble with closeups and the flash is often too strong. I should get out the manual and see if I can do better. But thanks!
 
Yup I ran a couple of the WOS Amazonias. From what I have read and seen in mine I wouldn't exactly call them landrace anymore. WOS has bread them quite a bit it seems. They were my first two grows in HB and they did turn out nice but the plushberry plants from Subcool that I ran right beside them seemed happier both grows and produced better smoke in the end. Im pretty sure sub does his breading in supersoil so it makes sense that his strains like the HB soil. I think a lot of us have been looking for some real landrace genetics that are growing HB based on how many of us jumped all over the Ace strains once the word got out :)
 
Sorry Gray and Smokey about the miss ID. Read so many grows so fast.

Interesting possibilty of increased exudates in salt lovers. The whole exudate thing is highly mysterious to me. I was thinking mainly about the complex sugars, and their use as a carbon source for fungi.

Smokey, must be time to look again at your Amazonia grow! It was one of the first I stumbled across here.
Cheers
 
No worries it happens to all of us :passitleft:
 
I planted three more Buddha Haze crosses today - x Nexus, x Utopia Haze and x Destroyer. :cheesygrinsmiley:

The Utopia Haze cross has really tiny seeds. Do any of you have experience with seed size? I did a little quick research and it's definitely strain-related, but I didn't see much about which sorts of phenos are represented by small seeds. Neither the Buddha or the Utopia seeds were this small, but all the crossed ones are. The buds were fully mature. Here are the four crosses I got from Buddha Haze. Destroyer and Carnival on top, Nexus and Utopia Haze on the bottom.

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And a quick shot of the seedlings - Tikal front left, Desfran back, Panama (gonna be purple) on the right ...

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Orange Hill Special (I burned 'er on the CFLs a week ago) is ready for new digs, as well as Buddha Haze x Blue Blood. I'll get that done tomorrow.

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Nexus surprised me and revegged, so I'll get to run it a second time. :slide:

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And I have a raggedy old Carnival mother that's going to supply me with a buncha nice new cuts. :cheesygrinsmiley: Got one started already.

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:Namaste:
 
LOL, yeah mine has sticky fingerprints and smudges all over it, dried to a crust. If I had another camera, I'd take a pic of my camera for you. :laughtwo:
 
I think I see some purple in the Panama already.
 
DrZiggy said:
so, GT, how do you know that your Panama is going to be purple?
speaking of colors, what colors were the leaves on your ACE strains in HB soil? light or dark green? TY,GT
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Major PITA said:
I think I see some purple in the Panama already.
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Oh, heheh, I thought you saw it, DrZiggy. :cheesygrinsmiley: Those newest leaves on the seedling are purple tinted, besides which, this is a purple pheno. :laughtwo: But whenever I've seen that early purple, it's been a plant that purples later. It'll fade away through veg now and come back in bloom.

I saw the talk about color and I'm not sure. The newest leaves are often an unsettling lime color, but that's good. I often get plants that aren't a deep green ... and HB soil hardly ever makes a really dark plant, no. I don't have a lot of experience with other nutes, but yes, my grow in 6-5-3 mineralized soil with Osmocote+ was a rich dark green the entire time. But ACE? The more sativa landrace strains in general are probably paler. I wonder if CareStaker would know ... he uses traditional nutes and he ran a Panama. Or PotChimp, who ran several Ace strains.
 
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