Graytail's 3rd: 4x4, HiBrix, Latest LED Tech, Lots Of Light!

LOL, go figure mature old people appreciating potty humor ... :cheesygrinsmiley:


DrZiggy said:
GT, seriously...well, at least until i type my thought, and you, yours.
The Panama is beautiful. like wispy milkweed ...maybe its me, but the pistils have a pinkish hue, too.
So what happens when you trim a plant in flower?
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Aha! Panama casts a bit of a spell, doesn't it? CareStaker felt the same way. :slide:

I saw that same thing in your last pics - the elegant open structure with solid nugs at the nodes. It's obviously sativa, but in a rather unique way, similar to SLH - pompom buds all up the stems. The pink pistils are a common trait usually expressed in outdoor plants, but with all the LED light you have, it's showing in yours. I can imagine that the plant's growth pace is enchanting you - wait until she gets the drench and starts filling those buds out!

It's such a joy to grow. :thumb:


[Edit] Trim a plant in flower? As in lop stuff off? Think hormones. Growth and budding will get shifted elsewhere. During bloom, the fans are pretty much out of the hormone loop and are primarily sugar producers. The new growth produces the hormones. My instinct says that you don't really gain by trimming off flowering growth during bloom - doesn't fully get replaced.

And I'm somewhat toasted right now, so caveat emptor ... :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
Opps! Must be time for a hit.

Edit: That one exploded in the lungs. The Bomb. Did that the other day too. Hmmmm Let's try another.
 
Did it again! Making me feel like a rookie. :laughtwo:

Alright, rough day. Two more real quick.
 
High there, Sweetsue! :blunt:
 
Made that three and ended in free fall. Sweet.

Wasted.

Think I'll take a virtual walk through the yards. See you around Greytail. :byebye:

Maybe one more..... :laughtwo::green_heart:
 
Rough day Greytail. So conflicted. My nature is joy. I know the choice is mine. It hurts.
 
As you and I both know, the reality of it remains either way. We gave up the certainty of our expectations long ago - the future is what it will be. You know how to do this. :cheesygrinsmiley:

:Namaste:

On another note, I read your calcium post with some interest, particularly the pH part. I've been thinking about loading and releasing soil nutrients and that blends right in. I should probably look into it, but HB lets me be lazily ignorant. :laughtwo:
 
I wish I understood it Greytail. :laughtwo: I posted it there so I'd read it over and think about it enough to begin to understand how the exchanges happen in living soil. I'm absolutely driven to understand it.

What does fascinate me is how everything that happens requires an exchange between the parties. It always makes me think about how that's the way the universe operates. Give and take. It comes down to what you offer determining what you receive. The Universal Law of Attraction being played out in soil communities.

I'm high now, but I think like this all the time. Dale is a very..... good listener. :rofl: We understand that he's nodding his head and making eye contact, but he's thinking about trains. :laughtwo:

There, laughter again. You're good for the soul Greytail. :Love:
 
Graytail said:
On another note, I read your calcium post with some interest, particularly the pH part. I've been thinking about loading and releasing soil nutrients and that blends right in. I should probably look into it, but HB lets me be lazily ignorant. :laughtwo:
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I need to read it again, but I got really excited the first reading when I realized that one of the drenches (the Tea?) had to be acidic, causing a greater uptake of calcium. Excited that I was beginning to piece it together and excited because I was going to get to watch and feel that happen myself. :laughtwo:
 
Yep! I decided I had enough talent surrounding me that had more to share than grow tips to warrant an off-topic. I put it off for a time, but why not? What's one more thread? :laugh:
 
SweetSue said:
I need to read it again, but I got really excited the first reading when I realized that one of the drenches (the Tea?) had to be acidic, causing a greater uptake of calcium. Excited that I was beginning to piece it together and excited because I was going to get to watch and feel that happen myself. :laughtwo:
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And I was thinking Cat drench.

It's fascinating that a lot of the nutrients in soil aren't in complex molecules, but simply held in place by ionic charge. They sorta sit on the surface of clays n stuff, and we can turn the charge on and off with acids and alkalines, at the same time we're offering other substances to bond to. Electrochemistry, I suppose.

And then there's the plant and its roots and exudates, feeding the mineral-processing bacteria. Kinda like worm poop, no? Only minerals n stuff. :cheesygrinsmiley: Living soil is fun to think about.
 
I see the difference like this:

With LOS we load the soil with the building blocks we know the plants we will grow require, and then we amend to replenish. We plant, water, light and let the biota do their thing with as little interference as possible. Set the stage and turn the community loose.

With Doc's HB kit you orchestrate the electrical charges in the soil to persuade the biota to act in particular ways at particular times. The intent is not to interfere with the natural order of things, but rather to entice them to explore another dimension.

Am I getting it at last?
 
SweetSue said:
I see the difference like this:

With LOS we load the soil with the building blocks we know the plants we will grow require, and then we amend to replenish. We plant, water, light and let the biota do their thing with as little interference as possible. Set the stage and turn the community loose.

With Doc's HB kit you orchestrate the electrical charges in the soil to persuade the biota to act in particular ways at particular times. The intent is not to interfere with the natural order of things, but rather to entice them to explore another dimension.

Am I getting it at last?
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I don't think it's purely electrical - that's probably just part of the explanation. I think the basic essential to the HB method is the more precise content of the soil. When you know the exact mineral ratios in the soil, you can tailor specific drenches to mess with it. Most gardeners are familiar with the concept of taking a plant back and forth through its extremes - full flower, dormant, new growth, etc. And the idea of forcing or preventing bloom, extending the veg time, is familiar to a lot of household plant growers. With the drenches, we try to encourage more root growth than normal, for instance. The plant might otherwise have accelerated its growth when it had enough roots. Or we can encourage leafy growth. So, we can also alternate between them, which exercises both the soil and the plant and leads to a more vigorous specimen.

Then when it's well into bloom, we can release nutrients from the soil with a cationic drench and ammoniac N, a form that encourages fruiting.

That's really hard to do if you don't know the mineral ratios in your soil. I found that the foliars worked fairly well in 6-5-3 soil, but they're much better in HB soil. You might want to see how well a LOS responds to them. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
That made perfect sense. I actually said that right out loud when I read it. :laughtwo:

The exercise analogy is an interesting one. Led me to that comparison of the two soil approaches again. I do Callanetics, a fitness approach that trains you to learn the position of the movement and then counter extend the body, allowing you to relax the very muscle you're training. It often reminds me of gardening in LOS. I have to relax and let go of my desire to micro manage the grow or the plant or any other aspect of the grow. Relax and let the magic unfold.

The HB soil reminds me of the training of an athlete. We're both going to be fit but, by God, that athlete is going to do that with a lot more vigor and determination! If you're going to do the thing, do it right! :laughtwo: I have to laugh. That sounds just like my son. He's a Captain in the Army, so his God complex is becoming more ingrained every year. Not to imply that all athletes have God complexes, mind you. :blushsmile:



I was already thinking of trying the foliars to see how the LOS plants react. I expect they will respond favorably. The science behind the foliars should transcend the soil type, don't you think?
 
SweetSue said:
That made perfect sense. I actually said that right out loud when I read it. :laughtwo:

The exercise analogy is an interesting one. Led me to that comparison of the two soil approaches again. I do Callanetics, a fitness approach that trains you to learn the position of the movement and then counter extend the body, allowing you to relax the very muscle you're training. It often reminds me of gardening in LOS. I have to relax and let go of my desire to micro manage the grow or the plant or any other aspect of the grow. Relax and let the magic unfold.

The HB soil reminds me of the training of an athlete. We're both going to be fit but, by God, that athlete is going to do that with a lot more vigor and determination! If you're going to do the thing, do it right! :laughtwo: I have to laugh. That sounds just like my son. He's a Captain in the Army, so his God complex is becoming more ingrained every year. Not to imply that all athletes have God complexes, mind you. :blushsmile:



I was already thinking of trying the foliars to see how the LOS plants react. I expect they will respond favorably. The science behind the foliars should transcend the soil type, don't you think?
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And sometimes those athletes (Thee Budzilla) get HGH or steroids and produce crazy numbers like Alex Rodriguez or Sammy Sosa and then no one loves them any more. Sad very sad.
 
I found the foliars sync with the HB soil, and its hit or miss with non HB soil. Some houseplants in non HB soil I have didn't particularly like the foliars.
theyre kind of like 'switches'...
I'm trying to use the foliars opposite the drenches on my plants. i.e. when using GE(growth), use Brix(reproductive), when Using Transplant(reproductive), use DeStress(growth).
This, from what I gathered from Docs info and I think him stating so himself, gets best results. :)
 
Happy Easter Graytail.
 
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