Graytail's 3rd: 4x4, HiBrix, Latest LED Tech, Lots Of Light!

[Graytail]

Bloom is caused by a change in some hormone ratios. During daylight, the plant produces a hormone that inhibits bloom. When we withdraw light, that hormone falls to a level that causes the plant to bloom. But equatorial plants have very little difference in daylight throughout the year, so other factors come into play. A stand of equatorial plants will typically bloom together but are capable of blooming at any time depending on maturity, climate, stress, and very importantly, whether daylight is increasing or decreasing.

So, if we restrict daylight hours more than usual, we can more easily force the plant to bloom, and more importantly, finish bloom. With a 12/12 light cycle, equatorial sativas can often simply continue to bloom. If we reduce day hours, it will force the plant to finish. In the old days, we ran our bagseed landrace Colombians at 9/15 to get them to finish in 12-14 weeks. It also starts the bloom transition more quickly and firmly.

 

[Graytail]

Re: photoperiod and terpenes, etc ...

I've been surprised that different phenos of the same strain have had very similar highs, in my experience. I had thought that, with the various genes in a hybrid strain, the different phenos would have different highs. I only have a half dozen examples to draw from, but a short fat pheno of a strain smokes just like a long leggy pheno - maybe some subtle differences but basically the same buzz. And even the subtle differences could be attributed to terpenes, couldn't they?

So, I don't feel like we're adulterating the strain when we play with terpene expression. As Shiggity said, it's the same genetics - we're just exploring the expressions.

 

[B A R]

When you guys answer a question you answer it. Thanxx a mill.

 

[DrZiggy]

Yep what ShiggityFlip said. I also suspect 12/12 with sativas is the main reason why they hermie so often indoor. They're just not used to this photoperiod.

Conrad, Ive never had any tried Sativas hermie. ( A buddy has everything hermie but thats just him being stubborn. )
I do use DeStress and more importantly i think, my plants are started and finished on same light schedule. No stress from switching since I dont

 

[Conradino23]

That's some good work, Ziggs

 

[Graytail]

That's some good work, Ziggs

I just realized that hermies are a particular nightmare for an outdoor grower, aren't they ...

I discovered a seed in a bud of DrGrinspoon, and ran the schedule through my mind and the culprit was probably Rio1, mother of Rio2. That line is a bit dangerous.

 

[Conradino23]

They are especially if you're up for selected pollination. I have some hermie seeds but without a secure indoor space I'd never run them, especially with other plants in the grow room. It's just too much of a risk, not worth the headache.

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[flowerfarmer]

What about a plant hemies from extreme photoperiod stress but otherwise would not have hermied. Would the seeds from that pollen be more hermie prone? Wouldn't unnatural light stress be about the same as colidial silver causing flowers or a hermie? In both cases fem seeds..

 

[Conradino23]

For the sake of argument it doesn't matter why plant hermied as when she starts reproducing as an intersex individual this trait will be passed on, and will pop up in part of the S1 population. From what I researched in around 20-30% individuals, sometimes less and sometimes more, so you'd have to weed these out to clean the pool by making S2, S3, S4 and so on using healthy females obviously.

 

[Graytail]

What about a plant hemies from extreme photoperiod stress but otherwise would not have hermied. Would the seeds from that pollen be more hermie prone? Wouldn't unnatural light stress be about the same as colidial silver causing flowers or a hermie? In both cases fem seeds..

In my experience, it's a range. A pheno/strain will be somewhere between highly sensitive and likely to hermie before finish, and very resistant to any attempts to reverse it. Most will hermie if you let them run long enough.

The problem with keeping those genetics is that it's dominant, in a sense - not genetically so, but from a breeding perspective. The hermie gene will always be present, and you'll have to closely monitor every plant in that line. There will be mistakes and the damned gene will procreate once again.

In my case, it originally comes from the pure inbred Utopia Haze line from Barney's. It's a special IBL Brazilian strain, but it still has a variety of phenos, one of which hermied early and dusted a Carnival, which has never shown any nanners in my garden. Then both clones from that cross, Rio, nannered a couple weeks before finish. So, an undesirable genetic trait has now reproduced itself into two successive varieties - Rio and Channel+.

 

[brightlight]

I discovered a seed in a bud of DrGrinspoon, and ran the schedule through my mind and the culprit was probably Rio1, mother of Rio2. That line is a bit dangerous.

I want that seed!

 

[Graytail]

I have another update for everyone.

If anyone is interested in studying a bulletproof population of whiteflies, I could maybe ship you a million or so ... I sprayed 'em with spinosad three times in 12 days and some tens of thousands of 'em are doin' jus' fine, thanks for being concerned but no problems here, we're good. *sigh* I'll keep working at it.

This week we have a close competition between the Doctor and the Greek, and Grieg1 is pulling out all the stops. I thought the first plant was a powerful and compelling smoke - this clone is thicker and stickier - gotta love it when that happens.

I'll be harvesting Grin1 this week and I'm pretty happy with the way it turned out. There's one more in veg and I'll probably get a clone for another round - I like having it in the rotation - there's something about it that's all its own. For those of you that like Panama, you really need to try one of these DrGrinspoons. I may start calling it Senor Garcia, though, because if you look at the genetics, you'll see that DrG is a pheno of Garcia - I'm thinking that makes it the beads pheno. This one is normal, ergo Senor Garcia, no? Anyway, I like this one.

DrGrinspoonCut1 - 158 days old - 88 days 11/13 - 78 since pistils

But Grieg1 has been getting ridiculously sugary! It's even hard to get good pics because my flash is a little too strong and everything washes out in the reflected glare. I have this harvest scheduled for another week, but I may take it before Taskenti, as soon as Grin1 is dried.

Y GriegaCut1 - 158 days old - 77 days 11/13 - 67 since pistils

It turned out to be a good decision to keep Taskenti going. She's finally starting to frost up a little and we're getting some new pistils. Another 7-10 days should do it. Nanners are under control so far.

Taskenti - 163 days old - 77 days 11/13 - 67 since pistils

Chan1 looks like it didn't get hit hard by any pollen. The withered pistils have stopped and things look normal again. I wonder if it didn't come from the first spinosad folair. Time will tell.

Channel+Cut1 - 139 days old - 48 days 11/13 - 38 since pistils

And then there's Freddy's Best, firmly in bloom now and still not fading. Lookin' good.

Freddy's Best - 146 days old - 34 days 11/13 - 26 since pistils

CarnA1 is filling out nicely, still stretching but slowing as buds form - kinda grew out with a two-tiered canopy.

CarnivalACut1 - 158 days old - 21 days 11/13 - 11 since pistils

CarnB2 is about a week behind, smaller and thicker.

CarnivalBCut2 - 114 days old - 13 days 11/13 - 3 since pistils

Grin2 just went in last week so there's not much to see. I noticed the new clawing on the upper growth ... more reaction to the spinosad? I'll keep an eye on it - didn't seem to get worse over the past few days.

DrGrinspoonCut2 - 84 days old - 7 days 11/13

CarnB1 will replace Grin1 when I pull her from bloom tomorrow. This is a twin to CarnB2 so it'll be interesting to see what the extra 2 weeks of veg time amounts to at harvest.

CarnivalBCut1 - 114 days old

And lastly, Rio3. I think I'll grow this one big. Rio2 only turned out to be an ounce. Bah.

RioCut3 - 104 days old

 

[SweetSue]

How much longer do you figure on Rio3? I mean, that Carnival at 114 days is one fine and statuesque beauty just straining to get in there and show off. Geez, what a beautiful plant. They're all beautiful, even with the danged whiteflies.

Freddy's best is living up to its reputation. Those were some beautiful close-up shots Graytail.

I'll have to stroll through again tomorrow. For some reason my iPad won't get me on the Internet and I'm using the phone. The eyes are complaining. Tomorrow then.

 

[Icemud]

Wow Graytail!!! Those are some beautiful, chunky, frosty, sticky, lovely, amazing plants you have their sir!!! wow! That freddies best looks so shiny too! and that Taskenti!!! wow!

 

[CareStaker]

Sorry to hear about the Spino not working. That stuff cured 3 Thrip infestations for me like nothing. It kills those hell beasts that won't be named, so you would think it would kill some measley flies. I understand it overexcites the nervous system of certain insect species, so it really comes down to their little fly brains. They don't seem to be more than a nuisance, the plants look stellar as always!

 

[Neiko]

Everything is trucking right along, looks great in there! I can say I am now part of the Dr. Grinspoon club I tried my tester and damn is that a nice strain, It kinda feels like a workout when it's over, what a ride though! This beast will live in my garden for a long time. Now I want to pheno hunt. I have a panama going in veg so I'm glad to hear it is comparable. It is going to be tough to top the Dr. though.

 

[ShiggityFlip]

Every single plant you grow is a stunner. I always enjoy your update posts. Though I am a little bummed that the spinosad isn't killing those lil suckers. I do know it's supposed to affect the larvae more than the adults. Is it possible it's just the delay of still seeing the adults that were already alive?

 

[Kalimaki420]

And I thought my last carnival was frosty

I also recognize that clones often look better and get more resign.

And I saw some trips some weeks ago and gave them spinosad very heavy no trips but that 10 little fly I got and kill every day are still there.
Last time I got rid with some sand on top but I don't like the mess.

 

[Duggan]

How's Gray today.... just cruising thru brotha. Have a great afternoon Gray, cheers.

 

[DrZiggy]

Can't believe its another awesome Update Monday..well..today its not, but yesterday was..
Great job, as per usual..