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Eyes4grandpa said:
Don't forget that we have 2 soil grows going at the same time, so it will be needed. Thanks for letting me know about hempy not needing it. We still have our ph up and down kit thanks to PW. And, thanks to Toasty, we have pH down crystals from Earth Juice nutrients. We also have Cal Mag, thanks to Dom. Other than the talking tools, I think we'll be set.
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Oh you're just making my life easy at every turn baby!
So... I use Earth Juice PH down. Depends on your starting PH... but I assume coming from a municipal source it will be very close to mine... so you'll want to use an every so slightly humped 1/8 tsp of PH down per gallon.
Honestly, chasing PH gives some new hydro growers a touch of grief. We get to avoid any of those dances.
 
HappyHouse said:
I don’t think you can mix them though. So don’t think that is what you would use it for.
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Never heard that one before. Got any sources for that thought?
I used to use baking soda for such adjustments.... much cheaper. These days I just don't bother with meters and PH. Maybe once a month I drag out the pen and make sure things haven't changed... but they never do.
Note... be sure to remove batteries from devices not used semi-daily. Corrosion of the connections happens and your device is probably hosed.
 
HappyHouse said:
Oh and I have some ph up that I never use because my ph is always too high. Happy to send it your way. Would rather send it to someone that might use it rather than have it rot away on my shelf.
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That is an awesome offer, HH! Our water is the same way, though. So hang on to it and give it to someone who could really use it! Thank you so much for thinking of us with that! May God bless! :namaste:
 
Tead said:
Oh you're just making my life easy at every turn baby!
So... I use Earth Juice PH down. Depends on your starting PH... but I assume coming from a municipal source it will be very close to mine... so you'll want to use an every so slightly humped 1/8 tsp of PH down per gallon.
Honestly, chasing PH gives some new hydro growers a touch of grief. We get to avoid any of those dances.
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Hours comes out at about 7.6-8.1. So be down is what we use. I don't think we've ever even open the up. Hopefully, that's close to yours.
 
Eyes4grandpa said:
Hours comes out at about 7.6-8.1. So be down is what we use. I don't think we've ever even open the up. Hopefully, that's close to yours.
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I recommend starting much lower than an eighth of a teaspoon gramps. I have horrible water..... with a pH of 9.2 to 9.4 generally and I probably don't use any more 1/32 to 1/64 of a teaspoon. Now let me clarify that when I water, I don't add any nutrients so it doesn't take me much to drop it down to the 6.5 range. I know some nutes can raise or lower the pH so it might take more than I need....but my point is start with less, otherwise you will be dumping water out of your gallon and refilling til you get it right (I know from experience). Its always much easier to add more earth Juice than it is to dilute it back up to the desired range. I can post a picture, for Kelley to describe to you if you would like, showing how much I use for a gallon of water.
 
Tead said:
Ya know.... has anyone every used PH up???
I guess you could need it if you overshot your target horribly with the PH down. Never really seen it used tho.
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I have actually needed it before and didn't have any......so I used a little Cal-Mag to raise it. You can use baking soda to raise it if you need to in a pinch and down't have Cal-Mag
 
Van Stank said:
I recommend starting much lower than an eighth of a teaspoon gramps. I have horrible water..... with a pH of 9.2 to 9.4 generally and I probably don't use any more 1/32 to 1/64 of a teaspoon. Now let me clarify that when I water, I don't add any nutrients so it doesn't take me much to drop it down to the 6.5 range. I know some nutes can raise or lower the pH so it might take more than I need....but my point is start with less, otherwise you will be dumping water out of your gallon and refilling til you get it right (I know from experience). Its always much easier to add more earth Juice than it is to dilute it back up to the desired range. I can post a picture, for Kelley to describe to you if you would like, showing how much I use for a gallon of water.
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Thanks for the recommendation, VS. From the beginning, we tried to avoid having to adjust back up after adjusting it down, so we have always done a little at a time. The crystals are new to us, so it would be good if you could post that pic for Kelley.
 
Hey gramps how is the New Years looking for ya so far pal .

Just thought I'd do a drive by make sure there isn't anything I can help you with today ?
 
Kingjoe83 said:
Hey gramps how is the New Years looking for ya so far pal .

Just thought I'd do a drive by make sure there isn't anything I can help you with today ?
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Thanks for stopping by, Joe. We are just getting ready to start the next grow. Trying to get all of our ducks in a row so that we don't have to get anything in an emergency. I want all of it here. That way, no having to rush out and spend money we literally don't have.
Hope your new year is going well. Don't be a stranger, my friend.
 
imtoasted said:
Did you not understand my explanation of the crystals? Its ok im not good at explaining things haha! .
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I think I understand them, Toasty. You really made it sound easy. I just figure that the more opinions we get, the better. Actually, nothing seems too vaery much from your explanation. I do have one question, however. I am not sure what range to use in the CL or Kind soil. .
 
Eyes4grandpa said:
Thanks for stopping by, Joe. We are just getting ready to start the next grow. Trying to get all of our ducks in a row so that we don't have to get anything in an emergency. I want all of it here. That way, no having to rush out and spend money we literally don't have.
Hope your new year is going well. Don't be a stranger, my friend.
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Smart idea I wish I knew what I knew now man I would when saved tons .
 
Haha ok good.. i can make an easy thing seem complicated. Use 6.5-7 ph like you would with normal soil. As long as you are 7 and below you are good. Heres what he told me when i had asked that and said i would be using the crystals to ph my water down.

first thing.. the last thing you should be doing is adjusting your water if you want to have a completely successful grow. As our instructions state the optimal way to run the system is with a water that has a natural PH that is 7.0 down to 6.5. Using acid is the absolute last route you want. using acid to adjust PH is very tricky especially for first time hot soil growers.. growing organic hot soil VS chemicals is a completely different thing when it comes to watering.. PH and how the plants utilize water.
 
imtoasted said:
Haha ok good.. i can make an easy thing seem complicated. Use 6.5-7 ph like you would with normal soil. As long as you are 7 and below you are good. Heres what he told me when i had asked that and said i would be using the crystals to ph my water down.

first thing.. the last thing you should be doing is adjusting your water if you want to have a completely successful grow. As our instructions state the optimal way to run the system is with a water that has a natural PH that is 7.0 down to 6.5. Using acid is the absolute last route you want. using acid to adjust PH is very tricky especially for first time hot soil growers.. growing organic hot soil VS chemicals is a completely different thing when it comes to watering.. PH and how the plants utilize water.
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Makes sense put everything in then drop ph down in . Why would you adjust ph down first before adding nutes right .

Those nutes give a spike and will increase to over 8-9 on the scale . So always put nutrients then ph as your last ingredient in always .

Great read toasted .
 
imtoasted said:
Haha ok good.. i can make an easy thing seem complicated. Use 6.5-7 ph like you would with normal soil. As long as you are 7 and below you are good. Heres what he told me when i had asked that and said i would be using the crystals to ph my water down.

first thing.. the last thing you should be doing is adjusting your water if you want to have a completely successful grow. As our instructions state the optimal way to run the system is with a water that has a natural PH that is 7.0 down to 6.5. Using acid is the absolute last route you want. using acid to adjust PH is very tricky especially for first time hot soil growers.. growing organic hot soil VS chemicals is a completely different thing when it comes to watering.. PH and how the plants utilize water.
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That's what I was figuring. Get the water in the container, add any nutes, add the pH crystals a little at a time, let the solution set for about two to three hours, then check the pH again. If within a range of 6.5 to 7.0 I'm good to go. I think, that according to what I've read, nutrients tend to raise the ph, so I think that any nutes should be in solution before I start measuring. It seems to me that would knock a adjustment out of the mix and make it easier.
 
Kingjoe83 said:
Makes sense put everything in then drop ph down in . Why would you adjust ph down first before adding nutes right .

Those nutes give a spike and will increase to over 8-9 on the scale . So always put nutrients then ph as your last ingredient in always .

Great read toasted .
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LOL!! If I had read your post before answering Toasty, I could have saved myself a lot of typing....
Well put, Joe. Much better than the way I did... :thumb:
 
Eyes4grandpa said:
Thanks for the recommendation, VS. From the beginning, we tried to avoid having to adjust back up after adjusting it down, so we have always done a little at a time. The crystals are new to us, so it would be good if you could post that pic for Kelley.
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Here is about what I need to use in plain water per gallon. It will drop me from 9.2 down to about 6.5. Hope this helps Kelley get a good idea of where to start. Since your water isn't as bad, I might even cut this amount in half for a starting point.

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Van Stank said:
Here is about what I need to use in plain water per gallon. It will drop me from 9.2 down to about 6.5. Hope this helps Kelley get a good idea of where to start. Since your water isn't as bad, I might even cut this amount in half for a starting point.

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Thank you for taking the time, VS. Judging from what you and Toasty have said, we were going to start with about 1/8 of a teaspoon and go from there. I'll show this picture to Kelley and we'll see how much we actually need. Thanks again! :thumb:
 
Good morning, 420 mag family! We are getting closer and closer to dropping the seeds. A couple of things came to mind that for the life of me I can't figure out. With the hempy, how exactly are the seeds planted? Are they germinated in a wet paper towel and then placed in the perlite? Are the seeds soaked for 24 hours, then placed in perlite directly? Regardless of how it's done question how deep do you place the seed in the perlite when you plant it? How and when is the nutrients placed in the pot for time-release efficacy?
I just can't figure out how that works to picture it in my mind. I hope and pray everybody's day is full of peace and joy! :young-plant:
 
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