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Grandpa's Second Try - Come Join Us!
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Oh, we WILL succeed. That I am sure. I just hope this isn't literally the last thing I do...Heck even if you dont succeed what has happened here is an amazing thing. Thank you and everyone who has contributed
Lol you'll get it done soon
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With all these Knuckleheads around, I'm positive we can come up with something that this knucklehead can actually use. Thank you very much, my friend.
Remember I killed the first 4 plants I tried to grow indoors, cooked them with nutes. It was not a pretty sight for sure!
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First let me say thank you for taking all the time I know it took you to type that out. Lady G...sis...you have such a wonderful way of putting things. I can immediately pictures what you are trying to say in my head. Then comes the translation and...!ooops!This thread is a home away from home. We are on the other side wishing and hoping, trying to put our hands through the laptop screens to help you but all we hit is glass and not your grow. I take just as much ownership, but we are so much closer to assessing your grow needs than we have ever been before.
Maybe someone can gather text for Grandpa on growing coco, so he can read what is expected of him in advance of buying his materials.
Not everyone finds their growing medium right off the cuff. I went through 2 different growing blunders and now I have a growing medium that is working for me, instead of me working for it.
Another thing about MC is that you can REUSE it providing you get through the harvest without bugs and huge errors. Yes you can. I only reuse it once when I've had a successful grow and add some new MC to the top. Now you can only do this when your grow was successful, but what a savings too. My seedlings are only in MC now and have been since they sprouted. I have not added any nutes or soil to the cups where they sprouted. So when they leave the cup they will go into the 1 gallon layered nutrient soil and mc mix, then I add additional organic nutes as they get older.
When I'm sick and can't water my plants, I can leave them for up to 3 days and you can feel this by the way it pulls away from the pot wall leaving about half an inch of space like I already taught you. Now when she's in flower you will increase watering times, but we can cross that bridge when we get there.
Coco actually soaks up waaaay more water than just soil and will grow better yields for you Grandpa. Because it soaks up more water and better yields it requires daily watering. Please correct me if I'm wrong anyone, I'm learning too. Can coco go without water for more than a day, I really don't know, but I have often toyed with the idea of going coco. I just can't take on that amount of precision that coco takes in order to use it properly. It could be your thang so research is required. Maybe someone could help you?
Does anyone have feedback?
EDIT: Grandpa you made me laugh...lol. HIGHlarious.
Maybe I should rename this thread"Grandpa's Perpetual...So Far...Failure. (Learn B4 You Start)" .
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If Coco does need watered every day, I'm not sure it would work. There will be some days that both Kelley and I just won't have it in us to do it. So, I am now leaning toward Lady G's recipe. Actually, in thinking about it, I made do one with herds and the other with Toasty's.
The coco loco isnt just coco.. its mixed with good organic stuff too. Not sure the % of coco in it. It be good to try out both methods. Heres some info on whats in the coco loco.
Bush Doctor Coco Loco Potting Soil by Foxfarm is one crazy little mix that's chock-full of the best coconut coir available. Also includes plenty of good stuff like aged forest products, perlite, earthworm castings, bat guano, Norwegian kelp meal, oyster shell and dolomite lime.
Bush Doctor Coco Loco Potting Soil by Foxfarm is one crazy little mix that's chock-full of the best coconut coir available. Also includes plenty of good stuff like aged forest products, perlite, earthworm castings, bat guano, Norwegian kelp meal, oyster shell and dolomite lime.
Double post, oops, 
Hey Toasty, please excuse my dumb question but is there any MC in there?
What is the difference between your suggestion and the one that Grandpa already has, just curious to learn.
Sounds like a good compromise too...
What is the difference between your suggestion and the one that Grandpa already has, just curious to learn.
Sounds like a good compromise too...
I'm open to it all, just trying to keep Grandpa's work down to a minimum, cause if Grandpa can't do it, then Kelley has too and she's recovering right now.
Also, to the 420 family here who offer advice, this is a perfect opportunity for you to learn what it's like to be Grandpa for a day. I politely challenge the 420 family here to put on blindfolds and attempt to do feed and groom your plants. I close my eyes and do this in order to give Grandpa advice. Please just try it, it will be enlightening. Close your eyes and feel your way around, how do you make up for not being able to see.
How do you get water into your vessel?
Where to point your water to?
How would you do nutes?
How would you do a transplant?
What kind of things does Grandpa need to know to be successful?
Then you can write down your step by step findings of what it's like to not be able to see what you're growing. Then how would you use your hands to see your plant. So growing mediums for grandpa might be easy for some, but may drain Grandpa of his valuable resources.
Just something I would share of what I do to relate to Grandpa's needs.
Also, to the 420 family here who offer advice, this is a perfect opportunity for you to learn what it's like to be Grandpa for a day. I politely challenge the 420 family here to put on blindfolds and attempt to do feed and groom your plants. I close my eyes and do this in order to give Grandpa advice. Please just try it, it will be enlightening. Close your eyes and feel your way around, how do you make up for not being able to see.
How do you get water into your vessel?
Where to point your water to?
How would you do nutes?
How would you do a transplant?
What kind of things does Grandpa need to know to be successful?
Then you can write down your step by step findings of what it's like to not be able to see what you're growing. Then how would you use your hands to see your plant. So growing mediums for grandpa might be easy for some, but may drain Grandpa of his valuable resources.
Just something I would share of what I do to relate to Grandpa's needs.
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Kelley and I want to offer our sincere appreciation and heartfelt thanks to Dom2Mac for another awesome gift. He is sending us some Cal Mag. I continue to be blown away by the generosity and down right love that is shown in this community! I am more than humbled and cannot offer enough thanks. Merry Christmas! May God bless all of you and yours! 
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Thank you so much for your usual details South, Lady G.I'm open to it all, just trying to keep Grandpa's work down to a minimum, cause if Grandpa can't do it, then Kelley has too and she's recovering right now.
Also, to the 420 family here who offer advice, this is a perfect opportunity for you to learn what it's like to be Grandpa for a day. I politely challenge the 420 family here to put on blindfolds and attempt to do feed and groom your plants. I close my eyes and do this in order to give Grandpa advice. Please just try it, it will be enlightening. Close your eyes and feel your way around, how do you make up for not being able to see.
How do you get water into your vessel?
Where to point your water to?
How would you do nutes?
How would you do a transplant?
What kind of things does Grandpa need to know to be successful?
Then you can write down your step by step findings of what it's like to not be able to see what you're growing. Then how would you use your hands to see your plant. So growing mediums for grandpa might be easy for some, but may drain Grandpa of his valuable resources.
Just something I would share of what I do to relate to Grandpa's needs.
This is a good way to get an idea of what a person deals with. Now... No peeking everyone!
My Mobility teacher, was there to teach me how to walk and discern things while using my cane, did that for our grandchildren. She brought them little blindfolds and kid-sized canes. Then they had their blindfolds on and were walking around the front yard trying to figure out how Grandpa knew where to go. I am still useless away from home, but I have suggested oral ideas. The children were quite educated as to why they had to help Grandpa go from place to place. They understand so much better. Thank you for that challenge, sis! If you guys try it, your Outlook will definitely change. I know mine did...
I understand it would be very difficult to grow without site. I can go around my house in pitch black darkness but only cause i see it everyday. It would be different if i had NEVER seen any of it and i had to only FEEL my way around. Im sure bumping into things becomes normal lol.
I honestly think that the coco loco stuff would be good for him. You wouldnt have to water as much as with just plain coco. Ill try it before ill buy it for him and see how it works.
Have heard good things about using it with kind soil from someone on here and phil the maker of kind soil also recommends using it if you want to use something besides soil. If he doesnt thats fine he just seemed interested in the idea of using coco.
It doesnt have any mc in it from the info i found.. but that could easily be remedied with adding some great white mc, i am willing to get that for him too.
Again coco loco is not like normal coco. Here is the info on it straight from fox farms site and there is a number to call on their site. So if yall want ill call em and get all the details.
Bush Doctor. Coco Loco.TRIPLE-WASHED Low Salt Content
As you trek through a tropical jungle, your steps remain light and buoyant, never soggy. The rainforest floor is remarkably deep with layers of exotic coconut palm humus. It is cool and damp for several inches. Hold the richness in your hands, feel the soft silky texture. It's the perfect medium for cultivating plants.
The coir in Coco Loco behaves like little sponges making water available as needed by the plants. Coco Loco Potting Mix has the ability to hold more than its weight in water–while still draining well. Lower humidity reduces the possibility of attracting mold and root rot, as well as leaving insects less likely to bother your potted plants.
Coconut Coir - Aqua Supremo!.
Plants growing in Coco Loco will not require water as often as your usual potting mix. Whether you're growing in hanging baskets, vertical gardens, containers, or seedling trays, extend your watering schedule. In most climates, every two to three days will be enough. Always adjust your watering schedule as needed.
I honestly think that the coco loco stuff would be good for him. You wouldnt have to water as much as with just plain coco. Ill try it before ill buy it for him and see how it works.
Have heard good things about using it with kind soil from someone on here and phil the maker of kind soil also recommends using it if you want to use something besides soil. If he doesnt thats fine he just seemed interested in the idea of using coco.
It doesnt have any mc in it from the info i found.. but that could easily be remedied with adding some great white mc, i am willing to get that for him too.
Again coco loco is not like normal coco. Here is the info on it straight from fox farms site and there is a number to call on their site. So if yall want ill call em and get all the details.
Bush Doctor. Coco Loco.TRIPLE-WASHED Low Salt Content
As you trek through a tropical jungle, your steps remain light and buoyant, never soggy. The rainforest floor is remarkably deep with layers of exotic coconut palm humus. It is cool and damp for several inches. Hold the richness in your hands, feel the soft silky texture. It's the perfect medium for cultivating plants.
The coir in Coco Loco behaves like little sponges making water available as needed by the plants. Coco Loco Potting Mix has the ability to hold more than its weight in water–while still draining well. Lower humidity reduces the possibility of attracting mold and root rot, as well as leaving insects less likely to bother your potted plants.
Coconut Coir - Aqua Supremo!.
Plants growing in Coco Loco will not require water as often as your usual potting mix. Whether you're growing in hanging baskets, vertical gardens, containers, or seedling trays, extend your watering schedule. In most climates, every two to three days will be enough. Always adjust your watering schedule as needed.
That sounds amazing Toasty, I think you nailed it...
Awesome pawsome!!!
Awesome pawsome!!!
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As Lady G says, I think you found it! Thanks for taking the time to research and post all of that great info, Toasty. I'm going to call the Build-A-Soil people and see what they have to say about it. Since Jane is now pretty much done, and I'm getting ready to just pull her, if they recommend or encourage using CL like you would with the Kind soil, I think that will be what we need.
After thinking long and hard, I do believe I will be using vmc and Fox Farms for a photo, and the CL and the water only soil that I now have 4 an auto plant. Plan is to drop the seeds a little after the holiday season in the first week of January. We will Mount the Growant light and use them both. Hopefully the build us soil people will agreed with that mixture. What do y'all think?
p.S. just talked to the soil people. Imagine my surprise when I found out that this is not water only soil. It was basically misrepresented by the person I talk to initially. Apparently you use some kind of top dressing, and a bottom layer of compost or humus. No wonder she just shriveled up. We were operating on this soil being as initially described and didn't even think to consider anything about any feedinng. Damn! We definitely cannot afford any of the Kind soil, and I do not want any of you spending that much money for it. So, we will use the soil we have, with the CL and see what happens. Worst case scenario, we lose an auto plant. Is that going to be close to what you are recommending, Toasty and Lady G?
WHAAAAT!!! So we had no chance to begin with... well shut the front door...
I can't believe this Grandpa, we were all destined to fail, buuut, we did it together.
Okay, so everyone should feel better now because the soil was 100% NOT our problem. It was never the teachers, or the student, it was the medium. How did you even get hooked up with this soil, well it doesn't matter now. The soil peeps led you astray, that frustrates me and delights me all at the same time. At least we found the culprit.
If you let Toasty buy you the MC and Coco Mix, you won't need anything else. You will add water and maybe nutes down the road that you already have.
I can't believe this Grandpa, we were all destined to fail, buuut, we did it together.
Okay, so everyone should feel better now because the soil was 100% NOT our problem. It was never the teachers, or the student, it was the medium. How did you even get hooked up with this soil, well it doesn't matter now. The soil peeps led you astray, that frustrates me and delights me all at the same time. At least we found the culprit.
If you let Toasty buy you the MC and Coco Mix, you won't need anything else. You will add water and maybe nutes down the road that you already have.
Hmm that is bogus.. misrepresented my ass.. not gonna say what i had originally typed out lol. .
Idk what the hell the soil is then.. honestly i cant recommend you use it at all cause idk what it is!! Ill have to think about this some more and try and figure out what that stuff is to give you an answer as to if you should use just that soil at the bottom or not.
Idk what the hell the soil is then.. honestly i cant recommend you use it at all cause idk what it is!! Ill have to think about this some more and try and figure out what that stuff is to give you an answer as to if you should use just that soil at the bottom or not.
I dont think the coco loco and mc would be ok by itself for an entire grow cycle.
Okay, let's all go into the think tank that is really smoky cause we have to smoke while we think about it...
I was thinking that with the Coco Mix & MC & he has additional nutes to add when the plants get older. Please teach me, is that not enough to grow a plant in?
I love this troubleshooting btw. I wish I had more experience.
I was thinking that with the Coco Mix & MC & he has additional nutes to add when the plants get older. Please teach me, is that not enough to grow a plant in?
I love this troubleshooting btw. I wish I had more experience.