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I also grow in coco and I find it is easier because there isn't an issue with over - under watering once they have sprouted. But you do have to add nutrients every day since the only thing in coco is coco. I use general hydroponics nutrients and cal/mag and haven't had any issues. You would be the best person to know what is best for you though. My autos are doing well in the coco and I think my clones are starting to recover after their transplant. Either way - soil or coco - you have some of the best support here!
 
TheMadDabber said:
No expert. But sounds like you are doiing exactly what I would be!

Can we see her ? I don't wanna lose her!
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To me, I don't want to lose her either. At this point though, I am thinking it might be best to just restart. I'll get a picture as soon as I can so it can be looked at.
 
HappyHouse said:
I also grow in coco and I find it is easier because there isn't an issue with over - under watering once they have sprouted. But you do have to add nutrients every day since the only thing in coco is coco. I use general hydroponics nutrients and cal/mag and haven't had any issues. You would be the best person to know what is best for you though. My autos are doing well in the coco and I think my clones are starting to recover after their transplant. Either way - soil or coco - you have some of the best support here!
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Hmmmm...I do you have 3 full courts of Earth Juice nutes. Grow, Bloom and Micro Blast. I'm sure I would have to get some cal-mag, though. We would also probably have to get some great white, and definitely a new humidity meter. It's definitely something to think about!
 
Here is a link to my how to grow in coco thread. Its packed full of info but its a lot to read. I could go on and on why coco is better than soil but the main points are this.

How to grow in Coco - Feed schedule

1. You cant over water coco
2. Get more o2 into rootzone which means explosive growth


The list in the link is a comprehensive professionall mix for commercial growing and max yields. But shuld you ever decide on a move to coco i will guide you through will a basic mix as cheap as poss that will give you awesome meds.

Its true that you must feed nutes every single day but you could mix a small tank once per week that takes 10mins to do then its simply giving a couple litres daily. Do it once and you wont look back.

People wh have bad resukts in coco blame the coco and say its not great. Thats not true, you just have to stick to some basic rules like witj anything else and when you do you cant fail.

Anyway i wish you all the best in which ever route you follow. Im not really someone who can help you with soil grows but im easy to find should you require my help for coco growing.

Peace...
 
dom2mac said:
I was thinking that Jane was a goner by didnt have the heart to say it, I am glad to hear you are not going to let it stop you on another grow. I started a Gorilla Glue auto this week I named her Jungle Jane, viva la Jane!

I am actually thinking that a soil less coco grow might be best for you. It costs more in nutes (eventually offset by cost of meds) and you have to tend to the plants daily(30 minutes once a week to mix nutes and 5 minutes a day to water) but there is no guess work and its like following a recipe from start to finish. After a short stint into soil I switched to coco hempy buckets and havent looked back, keep in mind though I have only been doing this since September but my 4 very healthy plants dont know the difference.
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I was and am having a difficult time admitting that it might be time to just start a new grow. I have a few things to get and put into our budget, but I may just try Coco with a photo plant, and then the soil with the auto and compare. Compare the Yeezys of not having to feed and water daily verses results from a non soil medium. Time will tell, I can start faster with the photo if I go just straight soil this time around. Maybe once the auto is done, we can start another in the Coco. That will give me time to gather the money together to actually get the stuff. We'll see...
I wish I had more time to research this. I will eventually, though. :thumb:
 
Eyes4grandpa said:
I was and am having a difficult time admitting that it might be time to just start a new grow. I have a few things to get and put into our budget, but I may just try Coco with a photo plant, and then the soil with the auto and compare. Compare the Yeezys of not having to feed and water daily verses results from a non soil medium. Time will tell, I can start faster with the photo if I go just straight soil this time around. Maybe once the auto is done, we can start another in the Coco. That will give me time to gather the money together to actually get the stuff. We'll see...
I wish I had more time to research this. I will eventually, though. :thumb:
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Lets see the picture first, who knows maybe the bloom nutes you added revived Jane.

If you do decide coco, hempy bucket is the way to go. Basically you drill a hole 2 inches up in a bucket which creates a reservoir. It is a little more forgiving especially if you have the odd day were you cant tend to your plants. Otherwise, you just water daily following the hydroponic feed schedule recommended by your nutrient manufacturer. I premix a 5 gallon bucket of nutes and that has lasted 9-10 days mid flower but you can expect to feed a gallon a week until the point when they start flowering and getting really thirsty.
 
Grandpa coco is and always will be my fall back grow method. It really is as simple as it gets, listen to Cultivator and your plants will be in beast mode in no time.
 
I have never advised on soil, I only like to advise on technique and what I see. So it's really up to you Grandpa.

I think coco will have amazing results but coco requires a lot more attention to watering than your go-to soil. I absolutely agree with Cultivator, you guys just have to think about the steps it takes to water as frequently as coco needs. If Grandpa can't water one day, what is the implication of that in coco. What about 2 days no water? Also, think about budget, every cent counts.

This stuff is great, layer that with the soil you already have, keep your nutrient soil near the bottom.

PRO-MIX HP BIOFUNGICIDE + MYCORRHIZAE

I think this could be what Cult is mentioning.

"PRO-MIX HP BIOFUNGICIDE + MYCORRHIZAE
HP - high porosity

With its high perlite content, PRO-MIX HP provides a great growing environment to growers looking for a significant drainage capacity, increased air porosity and lower water retention. The added benefit of fibrous peat moss and coarse perlite makes this formulation ideal for growers who require a superior-quality product adapted to their needs for watering flexibility and crop seasonality."

I put my first layer of MC on the bottom. Then soil with nutrients, then MC, then soil with nutrients, then MC and so on, layer until there are no nutrients at the top just the MC. Then I adjust with nutes every feeding.

This method will also require water, but once every 3 days, how much does coco require watering again?

Maybe research coco for your next grow and use what you have now?

Who can donate the costs of MC for Grandpa?

EDIT: Cultivator, I know you didn't read his full journal, are you aware the Grandpa is visually impaired but smarter than all of us put together?

BTW, no rush Grandpa, this is no time for that stuff right now. hahahahaha
 
Pennywise said:
Grandpa coco is and always will be my fall back grow method. It really is as simple as it gets, listen to Cultivator and your plants will be in beast mode in no time.
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You all have convinced me to try it. It's going to have to wait until we can get the Coco. It's going to be at least a week before we start the new girls. Kelley and I still have some recovering to do, and then there's Christmas. As usual, it has to be worked into the budget as well. Thanks for the recommendation and the advice, PW!
 
I mixed coco with my base soil and put it on top of the kind soil in a pot with an auto.. its working really well. You could still use the water only soil on the bottom with coco.. id recommend getting coco loco from fox farms if you wanted to try doing that. Ill buy it for you. We will get you set up gramps.. no worries!
 
Grow2HealMe said:
I have never advised on soil, I only like to advise on technique and what I see. So it's really up to you Grandpa.

I think coco will have amazing results but coco requires a lot more attention to watering than your go-to soil. I absolutely agree with Cultivator, you guys just have to think about the steps it takes to water as frequently as coco needs. If Grandpa can't water one day, what is the implication of that in coco. What about 2 days no water? Also, think about budget, every cent counts.

This stuff is great, layer that with the soil you already have, keep your nutrient soil near the bottom.

PRO-MIX HP BIOFUNGICIDE + MYCORRHIZAE

I think this could be what Cult is mentioning.

"PRO-MIX HP BIOFUNGICIDE + MYCORRHIZAE
HP - high porosity

With its high perlite content, PRO-MIX HP provides a great growing environment to growers looking for a significant drainage capacity, increased air porosity and lower water retention. The added benefit of fibrous peat moss and coarse perlite makes this formulation ideal for growers who require a superior-quality product adapted to their needs for watering flexibility and crop seasonality."

I put my first layer of MC on the bottom. Then soil with nutrients, then MC, then soil with nutrients, then MC and so on, layer until there are no nutrients at the top just the MC. Then I adjust with nutes every feeding.

This method will also require water, but once every 3 days, how much does coco require watering again?

Maybe research coco for your next grow and use what you have now?

Who can donate the costs of MC for Grandpa?

EDIT: Cultivator, I know you didn't read his full journal, are you aware the Grandpa is visually impaired but smarter than all of us put together?

BTW, no rush Grandpa, this is no time for that stuff right now. hahahahaha
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This is exactly what I was going to do. Use what we have now, and that gives us time to budget for whatever you and Cult are talking about... LOL.
You have a great point on the watering. There will be some days when that will be difficult at best to do. If I'm reading what you are saying correctly, This MC is flexible enough to go up to three days without water. The layering sounds like a great idea. Again, so I know I have the right thought pattern, in my case it would be MC on the bottom, then the Fox Farms, and repeat until the pot is full and the MC is on top. Sorry for the layman's terms, but it it makes it easier for me to go back and refer to things. I'm much more comfortable referring two things this way. I also think that it will be easier for new Growers to understand then the technical jargon that's thrown around these forums. Not that it's bad, it's just overwhelming. I still get very overwhelmed when trying to read journals.
BTW...thanks for the kind words, even though you lied through your teeth about the smarts part. .
 
imtoasted said:
I mixed coco with my base soil and put it on top of the kind soil in a pot with an auto.. its working really well. You could still use the water only soil on the bottom with coco.. id recommend getting coco loco from fox farms if you wanted to try doing that. Ill buy it for you. We will get you set up gramps.. no worries!
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Of that I have no doubt. It's just that you guys have done so much already... finances or not, I cannot and do not expect anything to be bot for us. Of course, I don't want to offend anyone either. Even after all you guys have done for us, I cannot even grow a single little plant for meds. I know in my heart of hearts that I have the ability, but somehow it gets lost in translation from my brain and heart to my hands. I have no idea why you guys haven't gotten so frustrated with me that you just throw up your hands and worry about your own things and other new growers that show that they can be successful. They deserve it. But... I am not on a pity pot, I will try again.
 
Gramps what you have given to us is more than we have given to you. We want to help you not because of pity but because of a sincere desire to see someone who is deserving succeed.
 
This thread is a home away from home. We are on the other side wishing and hoping, trying to put our hands through the laptop screens to help you but all we hit is glass and not your grow. I take just as much ownership, but we are so much closer to assessing your grow needs than we have ever been before.

Maybe someone can gather text for Grandpa on growing coco, so he can read what is expected of him in advance of buying his materials.

Not everyone finds their growing medium right off the cuff. I went through 2 different growing blunders and now I have a growing medium that is working for me, instead of me working for it.

Another thing about MC is that you can REUSE it providing you get through the harvest without bugs and huge errors. Yes you can. I only reuse it once when I've had a successful grow and add some new MC to the top. Now you can only do this when your grow was successful, but what a savings too. My seedlings are only in MC now and have been since they sprouted. I have not added any nutes or soil to the cups where they sprouted. So when they leave the cup they will go into the 1 gallon layered nutrient soil and mc mix, then I add additional organic nutes as they get older.

When I'm sick and can't water my plants, I can leave them for up to 3 days and you can feel this by the way it pulls away from the pot wall leaving about half an inch of space like I already taught you. Now when she's in flower you will increase watering times, but we can cross that bridge when we get there.

Coco actually soaks up waaaay more water than just soil and will grow better yields for you Grandpa. Because it soaks up more water and better yields it requires daily watering. Please correct me if I'm wrong anyone, I'm learning too. Can coco go without water for more than a day, I really don't know, but I have often toyed with the idea of going coco. I just can't take on that amount of precision that coco takes in order to use it properly. It could be your thang so research is required. Maybe someone could help you?

Does anyone have feedback?:thanks:

EDIT: Grandpa you made me laugh...lol. HIGHlarious.
 
Layer soil in simple terms?

Inches had to be amended... sorry

Bottom layer - Mc - inch thick

Then 2 inches of soil nutes layer

then inch layer of mc

Then one inch of soil nutes layer

then 1 inches of mc

Then one inch soil nutes layer by half way point

then 1 inches mc layer

Then half an inch layer of nutes layer - really just a sprinkling.

Then 2 inches or more for the last layer of MC.

Measurements vary...

Do not overfill, we can always uppot, but we can't down pot, if you know what i mean.

Try this until you get on the coco train... much love
 
Grow2HealMe said:
This thread is a home away from home. We are on the other side wishing and hoping, trying to put our hands through the laptop screens to help you but all we hit is glass and not your grow. I take just as much ownership, but we are so much closer to assessing your grow needs than we have ever been before.

Maybe someone can gather text for Grandpa on growing coco, so he can read what is expected of him in advance of buying his materials.

Not everyone finds their growing medium right off the cuff. I went through 2 different growing blunders and now I have a growing medium that is working for me, instead of me working for it.

Another thing about MC is that you can REUSE it providing you get through the harvest without bugs and huge errors. Yes you can. I only reuse it once when I've had a successful grow and add some new MC to the top. Now you can only do this when your grow was successful, but what a savings too. My seedlings are only in MC now and have been since they sprouted. I have not added any nutes or soil to the cups where they sprouted. So when they leave the cup they will go into the 1 gallon layered nutrient soil and mc mix, then I add additional organic nutes as they get older.

When I'm sick and can't water my plants, I can leave them for up to 3 days and you can feel this by the way it pulls away from the pot wall leaving about half an inch of space like I already taught you. Now when she's in flower you will increase watering times, but we can cross that bridge when we get there.

Coco actually soaks up waaaay more water than just soil and will grow better yields for you Grandpa. Because it soaks up more water and better yields it requires daily watering. Please correct me if I'm wrong anyone, I'm learning too. Can coco go without water for more than a day, I really don't know, but I have often toyed with the idea of going coco. I just can't take on that amount of precision that coco takes in order to use it properly. It could be your thang so research is required. Maybe someone could help you?

Does anyone have feedback?:thanks:

EDIT: Grandpa you made me laugh...lol. HIGHlarious.
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Coco needs watered every day. That could be an issue. Again, you will know what will work best for
you. If watering every day could be an issue, I would go with something else if only to remove that stress from myself. .
 
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