Grandpa Gets Oily! Everclear Extracts For Shatter Or Oil!

[BigBearNTexas]

I'ma state this problem again: I only feel my tinctures on an empty stomach in the morning; does anyone have some trick I never thought of to get it to work as well later in the day?

Mango or nuts like almonds or walnuts that are high in Omega-3 fatty acids are said to enhance a high.

 

[InTheShed]

I'ma state this problem again: I only feel my tinctures on an empty stomach in the morning; does anyone have some trick I never thought of to get it to work as well later in the day?

By tincture do you mean THC in alcohol held under the tongue? Go with THC infused in oil and blended with liquid lecithin and taken in capsule form. From what I read, most of the tincture is being absorbed after you swallow it anyway (not much is absorbed by the lining of the mouth) so you might as well make it the best way you can to be absorbed by the stomach.

 

[BigBearNTexas]

As an edible, tincture may have a faster effect than an oil based infusion because it can be absorbed directly by the lining of the stomach. Probably. But you’re talking 30 minutes difference at the most probably.

 

[alltatup]

By tincture do you mean THC in alcohol held under the tongue? Go with THC infused in oil and blended with liquid lecithin and taken in capsule form. From what I read, most of the tincture is being absorbed after you swallow it anyway (not much is absorbed by the lining of the mouth) so you might as well make it the best way you can to be absorbed by the stomach.

Thanks for that info. The reason I like alcohol-based tincture is because it will stay good practically forever if kept dark and cool. I have some capsules, so I will try a little experiment with some oil etc.

 

[Old Salt]

@SweetSue has a thread called The Basic Links For Patients & Caregivers that will steer you in the right direction. It includes a link to CajunCelt's thread regarding bioavalability in his A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer.

 

[Bilbobudkin420]

Hello everyone! Grandpa’s making some killer oils and I want to share the process I go through. The goal with this particular batch is to get the best I can from the material I’m using. I’m in search of trichome heads and as little green (Chlorophyll) as possible.

We want the Everclear to do its job and extract the best of the best. For the first batch, this means no shaking and just swirling the material slightly in the alcohol. This will extract more THC, terps, and goodies the plant has to offer.

With that in mind, let’s make some shatter!

*Warning! This process is extremely dangerous if you don’t take care. I am doing this in a large shop with 12 foot ceilings. I make sure there is adequate cross ventilation by keeping a window and a door open to the outside, and a small fan blowing to help circulate to the outside. This is key to not blowing your ass up! You must also ensure there are no open flames...PERIOD! Alcohol fumes are extremely volatile. Be careful damn it! I will not be responsible for you blowing your house up.

Here’s a list of the components that will be used with current US dollar prices at Amazon:

1. I use this griddle, but there are other less expensive options, $30.94: Toastmaster TM-201GR Griddle, 10 x 20", Black

2. Pyrex dish, $11.09: Pyrex Basics 3 Quart Glass Oblong Baking Dish, Clear 8.9 Inch X 13.2 Inch - 3 Qt

3. Cake pan, I don’t know where I got mine, but this will do, $13.99: Wilton Recipe Right Non-Stick Biscuit and Brownie Pan, 11 in. x 7 in. (2-Pack)

4. Stainless strainer, $8.99: CHICHIC Set of 3 Stainless Steel Kitchen Fine Strainers Tea Fine Y Mesh Strainers Juice Egg Filter 3 Sieve Colander Sets Wire Filter Mesh for Tea Coffee Food Rice Vegetable with Handle

5. Large mason jars. I use these because they are on-hand, I usually buy these at Walmart, $6.00: 1 Ball 64oz Wide Mouth Half Gallon Mason Jar

6. Unbleached cone coffee filters, the #4s fit the wide mouth mason jars well, $3.99: Melitta No. 4 Cone Coffee Filters, Natural Brown, 100 Count

7. Silicon pad, $11.00: Oil Slick Duo Platinum Cured Medical Grade Silicone Pads, Set of 2, 3.25x4.5" Pads

8. Razor blades.

9. Gloves. It’s sticky-icky!

Please shop around. You can probably find everything cheaper!

The first things I do is gather all my materials. I put the cake pan on the griddle, and put hot water in the cake pan. This is the beginning of a diy double boiler. I turn on the griddle to keep the water hot.

After that I gather the weed, alcohol, mason jars, and filters to begin the process. Today I’m using some fresh frozen bud from my last harvest. The strain is called Amherst Sour Diesel and the seed came from Humbolt.

I then put the material in a mason jar and cover the weed with the Everclear:

I put the lid on the mason jar and let the alcohol and weed just sit for about 15-30 seconds. Then, I slowly swirl (not shaking; remember, we are going for the best of the best here) for another 20-30 seconds.

The jar then gets dumped into my stainless strainer. I sit the strainer over a plastic Folgers Coffee container to capture the goodness (naturally it’s been cleaned beforehand and there’s no coffee in it).

Then starts the most annoying part for me and that’s filtering. I simply pour the mixture from the Folgers coffee container threw a coffee filter that’s sitting in the mason jar. I completely filter the mixture at least 2 times, depending on what it looks like. Sometimes I’ll filter 3 times.

It takes a little while to complete, but be patient. I don’t squeeze the living shit out of filters either. When it’s filtered it’s filtered. No need to dick with it. I will tap on the filter at times if it seems to slow down too much. Remember the idea is to capture the best!

The mixture will look slightly different from strain to strain, whether it fresh frozen, bud or trim, and naturally how well the plant was grown, and when it was harvested. The main thing I look for is a very light golden yellow. A good piss color...

Next, it’s time to help evaporate off the alcohol with the diy double boiler. This is where it can be dangerous. The evaporation process will make dangerous fumes. No smoking! Keep your area ventilated.

I pour the mix into the Pyrex and place it in the cake pan with hot water. I keep the griddle heat at a medium to medium-low heat (on my griddle, 1 is low and 8 is full high. I keep it at about 3.5-4).

At that heat, it takes about 1.5 hours to cook off most of the alcohol. Alcohol will boil faster than water so we are looking for that sweet spot—not boiling but hot enough to evaporate. In my experience, keeping the temps of the mixture below 140F is the best. The slower the better to keep as many terpines as possible. Trust me, you’ll thank me later.

You will be able to see as the mixture is rendered down to the goodness. I use razor blades to scrape and collect onto a silicone pad. It takes awhile and is very sticky, but so satisfying. At least to me.

Once it’s all collected, I sandwich it between two silicone pads and place the pads on the warm Pyrex to help smash it flat.

Then, it goes directly into the freezer while I clean up my stuff and put everything away. Here’s what it looks like coming right out of the freezer.

Normally, I’ll let it sit in a drawer, at room temperature, for a few days. This allows for more alcohol to be evaporated, if there’s any left, while also making it more stable. In just a short time it will be stable enough to pickup and handle. This is what it looks like after 8 hours:

I wish we had smellavision! There’s a strong pepper and spice smell with a hint of pine and a fruit that I can’t put my finger on. It tastes like a gummy bear on steroids...

It can be dabbed immediately, and I do it all the time. It’s just better if you let it “cure,” for lack of a better word, for a few days. In this particular case, I’m going to use it for making canna coconut oil capsules... I’ll post those pictures here...as soon as it gets done.

Well, that’s Grandpa’s Everclear shatter tutorial. I hope you enjoyed it. Remember, SAFETY FIRST! Peace out!

Cheers!

Edit: More safety tips.

1. Razor blades are very sharp.
2. Please be cautious and don’t run with scissors.
3. Wrap that rascal!

Yes yes pops. Im going to be doing an extract run from all my trim, obviously mine wont be the best of the best as yours is but I like the alcohol extraction. I was gonna use butane but this seems a lot cleaner and more appealing to me. Thanks for sharing grandpa.

 

[Grandpa Tokin]

I'ma state this problem again: I only feel my tinctures on an empty stomach in the morning; does anyone have some trick I never thought of to get it to work as well later in the day?

I was going to mention the canna capsules, but I think @InTheShed, @BigBearNTexas, and @Old Salt have suggested great options. You might want to consider a higher dose after eating too. I sure hope you can figure it out.

Hey gramps first off bud sorry you didn’t take the prize this month bro .

I’m sure you will be up threes again my friend .

Hope Easter weekend is treating you good .

Thanks for everything you have helped me with since I met ya. Means a lot .

I appreciate that my friend. As much as it sucks to “lose” I’m happy that the right person was selected. I’m just happy I was nominated. It means, to me, that I’m doing something right.

Mango or nuts like almonds or walnuts that are high in Omega-3 fatty acids are said to enhance a high.

Love mango!

By tincture do you mean THC in alcohol held under the tongue? Go with THC infused in oil and blended with liquid lecithin and taken in capsule form. From what I read, most of the tincture is being absorbed after you swallow it anyway (not much is absorbed by the lining of the mouth) so you might as well make it the best way you can to be absorbed by the stomach.

Good stuff!

@SweetSue has a thread called The Basic Links For Patients & Caregivers that will steer you in the right direction. It includes a link to CajunCelt's thread regarding bioavalability in his A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer.

This is right on. Excellent links.

Yes yes pops. Im going to be doing an extract run from all my trim, obviously mine wont be the best of the best as yours is but I like the alcohol extraction. I was gonna use butane but this seems a lot cleaner and more appealing to me. Thanks for sharing grandpa.

I hope it works for you. There is absolutely no reason you can’t get really nice extracts. If I can help, just let me know. BE SAFE PLEASE!

 

[Bilbobudkin420]

Appreciate it!

 

[SweetSue]

Thanks for that info. The reason I like alcohol-based tincture is because it will stay good practically forever if kept dark and cool. I have some capsules, so I will try a little experiment with some oil etc.

I keep my capsules in the fridge, which fills the requirements for cool and dark.

alltaup, if you make the capsules with olive oil and liquid sunflower lecithin they’ll skip the liver First-Pass and be absorbed into the lymphatic system, offering greater opportunity to reduce inflammation, which is the root cause of pain and disease.

As to enhancing the onset, try eating something with fat in it about 15-30 minutes before your dose. Coconut oil will work in a pinch, a tablespoon is sufficient. This gets the liver so busy you stand a chance of sneaking more cannabinoids through.

I’m assuming by your post that you’re not talking about euphoria. The rule in canna meds in this neck of the woods is that if you’re feeling it you’re dosing incorrectly. For serious conditions, including chronic pain, we recommend you explore biobomb suppositories. Not an attractive option, but effective, so we keep putting it out there.

Also, 2 capsules of apigenin, taken 30-45 minutes before a dose greatly increases the number of unmolested cannabinoids working their way through the liver because it keeps the enzymes charged with converting the THC occupied. They become the flash crowd that lets the cannabinoids slip through unnoticed.

 

[Grandpa Tokin]

You’re awesome @SweetSue!

 

[alltatup]

I keep my capsules in the fridge, which fills the requirements for cool and dark.

alltaup, if you make the capsules with olive oil and liquid sunflower lecithin they’ll skip the liver First-Pass and be absorbed into the lymphatic system, offering greater opportunity to reduce inflammation, which is the root cause of pain and disease.

As to enhancing the onset, try eating something with fat in it about 15-30 minutes before your dose. Coconut oil will work in a pinch, a tablespoon is sufficient. This gets the liver so busy you stand a chance of sneaking more cannabinoids through.

I’m assuming by your post that you’re not talking about euphoria. The rule in canna meds in this neck of the woods is that if you’re feeling it you’re dosing incorrectly. For serious conditions, including chronic pain, we recommend you explore biobomb suppositories. Not an attractive option, but effective, so we keep putting it out there.

Also, 2 capsules of apigenin, taken 30-45 minutes before a dose greatly increases the number of unmolested cannabinoids working their way through the liver because it keeps the enzymes charged with converting the THC occupied. They become the flash crowd that lets the cannabinoids slip through unnoticed.

Thanks so much, Sue. I have found some of the topics I need to read up on. Ain't nothin wrong with anal suppositories!!! :-}

When I take my tincture first thing in the morning, I do get high, which I quite enjoy (long before I have to go to work). Then I'm relaxed and chilled out for the next 6-7 hours at work. (Tincture made with 190 Everclear, White Widow, Lithium OG Kush and Iced Grapefruit. Dose = 1 ml.) I see the high as part of the therapy in the morning, when it's still dark out, I'm with my cannabis plants, my writing and research.

But I see that I need to learn this other way of doing it without getting high, so I can get to the inflammation better. Sometimes my tincture works on inflammation, but sometimes it doesn't.

 

[alltatup]

@SweetSue has a thread called The Basic Links For Patients & Caregivers that will steer you in the right direction. It includes a link to CajunCelt's thread regarding bioavalability in his A Base Treatment Regimen for Cancer.

I will go and read up on bioavailability; thank you!!

 

[Smeegol]

morning guys hope you are all having a swell evening. I've been gathering a lot of information on my travels through everyone's garden learning how to better understand applications from growing to oils.

This might help some of you in regards to measurements I came across this yesterday on someone's thread and when I saved and copied I can't find out who the author is anymore so @ifyourecognizethis please accept my thanks......

Concentration and Doseage Calculator

have a lovely day GrampaT....

 

[InTheShed]

morning guys hope you are all having a swell evening. I've been gathering a lot of information on my travels through everyone's garden learning how to better understand applications from growing to oils.

This might help some of you in regards to measurements I came across this yesterday on someone's thread and when I saved and copied I can't find out who the author is anymore so @ifyourecognizethis please accept my thanks......

Concentration and Doseage Calculator

have a lovely day GrampaT....

I post it in a lot of threads but credit for that spreadsheet goes to @Oldbear.

 

[Smeegol]

Aahhh @InTheShed thanks so much for that confirmation as I felt bad not recalling where I got from, thanks @Oldbear
It's nice to meet ya, as I am lurking in your shed too, just haven't said hi yet...lol
@Pennywise I also have you and @bobrown14 on my list of introductions to be made, so funny that everyone I want to approach but been to shy to approach the last year is happening so suddenly for me the last 2 days - amazing......

 

[Pennywise]

Don’t be shy, you’re welcome to join in on any conversations.

 

[Bilbobudkin420]

Anyone know of a decent substitute for everclear in the uk? Pretty hard to get hold of

 

[Grandpa Tokin]

Anyone know of a decent substitute for everclear in the uk? Pretty hard to get hold of

The highest you can get. Probably a Bacardi 151 Rum. That’s the highest I could find in Europe.

 

[Pennywise]

See if Extractohol is available to the UK

 

[Bilbobudkin420]

Would isopropyl not be ok? Or is there a reason youre using pure grain alcohol?