GG7's Indoor/Outdoor Grows!

Hash Hound said:
GG7

I hear a few different methods for watering air pots, how do you like to water yours with all those holes in the pots?
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LIke OMM accurately pointed out.... Packing the pot tight with a suitable medium like COIR is key. I just water mine like any other pot by filling them up to the brim and letting the water or feed solution soak in. If it is going to be a particularly hot summer day, I will repeat that process once or twice more just to make sure the pot is thoroughly saturated.

The Cocoblend I use works great cause it holds in the moisture and reduces the number of watering days. I usually water mine every 2-3 days depending on conditions.

Indoors under artificial light, you can often go an entire week without watering since the ET is a lot less than it would be outdoors.
 
jandre2k3 said:
I know I'm late to the discussion, as I've been on holiday, but. . .

There is no such thing as a male Ken's GDP, but there is such a thing as Colloidal Silver. Just my 2c
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Welcome back Jandre! Hope you had a nice getaway! :) I've never heard that technique mentioned by anyone I have dealt with who knows Ken and his activities. Maybe that is what they did to create this new seed based version, but before that, the only way you could get the real thing was to know someone who had clones of the genuine strain and could give you some cuttings. Thats how I got mine.
 
And Then There Were Four
Disappointing Yield from Medicinal Organic Nursery Harlequin GDB 6 seed pack

I was bummed this morning when the 5th Harlequin sprout appears to have died overnight. Not sure what happened, but it was slow to open after breaking ground and this morning it is a shriveled up little ball of plant matter. The 6th seed planted never came up at all, so I basically spent $40.00 for "4" seeds! Not good!

Now the big question will be, how many females am I going to get? Not very happy with my current odds.

I have emailed M.O.N. with my results and we shall see if they respond and hopefully step up with a free pack of Harlequin GDB seeds. I have always sung their praises on this journal based on the quality of their BC that I continue to clone out this season from that original single female, but again... Getting only ONE female BC plant from a 6 seed pack is a pretty lousy return on investment even consisdering the quality of that single female plant in the end.

In my opinion, they need to start giving their customers a few more seeds for the price to make up for the dead loss.

Here is a photo of the sprout that died: :rip:

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mate that sprout might live, thats exactly how my auto looked and it was then very slow to grow but it did pull through, it looks exactly the same as mine did, it had no stem for weeks the leaves just kept growing on top of each other, and it was only when it started flowering that it grew, so i wouldnt give up hope yet unless you have all ready pulled it, and the seed that didnt sprout may also live, i gave up on 2 seeds and forgot about them i didnt even water them after 7 days then another 7 days later they sprouted and are growing like normal but just a week behind the others
 
jandre2k3 said:
Maybe it's just me, but that looks alive and healthy. I see 2 Cotyledons and it looks to be the beginnings of a first pair. I see no necrosis at all. I hope you didn't pull this one yet.
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donpaul.p said:
mate that sprout might live, thats exactly how my auto looked and it was then very slow to grow but it did pull through, it looks exactly the same as mine did, it had no stem for weeks the leaves just kept growing on top of each other, and it was only when it started flowering that it grew, so i wouldnt give up hope yet unless you have all ready pulled it, and the seed that didnt sprout may also live, i gave up on 2 seeds and forgot about them i didnt even water them after 7 days then another 7 days later they sprouted and are growing like normal but just a week behind the others
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Thanks for the advice guys, but that photo (included again below) was taken yesterday before it did whatever it did over night. I put it in a shady place and watered it with some B1, so we shall see. It had been frozen in that position shown in the photo for two days so I knew something was wrong since all the others opened up normally and this one just stopped dead as you see it. Then it just started shriveling up from that point overnight. Didn't take a new photo cause to be honest, I doubt you would be able to make out what is left at the moment. :o(

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The other four are doing great by the way, so as long as I get at least one female out of the remaining four I will be happy. Still... losing two out of six in a new grow is disappointing. This is why I much prefer clones if I am buying a new strain, but alas, no one around here has Harlequin that I can confirm to be legit, so I had no choice but to go with these seeds.

I think 6 seeds is a little light for the price, not to mention that your odds of a good male/female mix gets a lot more dicey. The growing conditions these little guys are experiencing is about as good as it gets, so hopefully all four are females! One can hope right? ;)

I will post a photo update of all the grows tomorrow and if I can get a shot of the shriveled plant I will take one and include it as well.

Stay tuned!
 
mine stayed like that for about a week, then the next set or leaves where tiny, you needed a microscope to see them, even when fully grown i could of covered the whole plant with a penny, i was going to kill it a few times, but its growing now and growing a lot quicker now in flower, im not saying its the right thing to do and yours may not life, i did find with mine that the soil the roots where growing into was like a clump of soil, i think this is what stunted mine, i only found out as i wanted to check for root problems and when i dug around it to easy it out i found the the seed had grown into a solid lump of compost, so i broke it up the best i could then from then on it started growing, still slowly but possibly due to lack of root growth compared to plant matter, but it was wan auto and its flowering now and its really taking off, so mine lived, and hopefully yours will,
 
Thanks for the additional info Don! Glad you were able to save yours!

As for me... I don't need the pot right now, so I will leave it in there and continue to baby it until there is nothing left to baby. ;) Compared to the other two that popped the same day, the contrast is pretty striking and this is why I am pretty sure the plant was genetically messed up and just stopped growing and died. This is why it always annoys me that commercial seed banks are so stingy with what they give you for what you pay.

If I had my way, I would make it a law that ALL seed banks were required to provide 12 seeds per retail package just to protect consumers from dead loss and a better chance of getting at least one female out of the lot.

While I like the final product that M.O.N. strains provide, I have never felt good about paying so much $$$ for a measly half a dozen seeds for precisely this reason.
 
i agree with you their, i was looking on herbies the other day and their was some seeds on their selling for £500 for 10 worked out to about £45 quid each, so in us that would be $90 per seed and $1000 or just under for a pack of 10. now in the us you could argue if they didnt grow, but where i am they are sold as souvenir only, and it clearly states that they wont discuss germination due to the laws in this country, so in theory they could sell you bird seed and you couldnt really argue your case, they would get bad ratings i know and they have always made good on what they sell, but when your risking £45 or $90 per seed and if it dont germ you have no chance of discussing the problem with the seed bank, they would just say about the law and you would have no choice but to take it and lose out, at least you could argue about the poor quality and im sure most seed banks will send out free seeds or give a nice discount off the next order, but spending a lot of money is a risk when buying anything, and the risk is even greater where i am as we have no way of discussing germination or any growing problems at all
 
If I ever get a reply from Medicinal Organics I will definitely report what they say and are willing to do. If these remaining four seeds turn out to be all male, I will definitely be contacting them by phone instead of email. ;)

So far all four look healthy and about the same size and growing rapidly, so we shall what they turn out to be.
 
that its mate, dont take any crap, its easier where you are, but i wouldnt have a leg to stand on.

have you ever tried guessing the sex based on plant height in the first few weeks, they say males grow taller and quicker than females with bigger gaps between nodes, the females are smaller and close node growth.

i tried doing it with the ak seeds i planted, out 3 i had in veg i guessed 1 was male and 1 female, but i guessed the other was female and it turned out male, just seems like it grew slower, but it is a good way of guessing, plus you can seperate them into 2 groups and see how many you got right when they do actually show sex, i wouldnt pull any till they showed sexy but it possibly works, but i cant see anyone throwing out any plants based on that alone, you could plant 10 seeds from same mother and some may grow slower than others, so its never a 100% method but i think its a good idea to give it a try and see how right you was or wasnt
 
donpaul.p said:
that its mate, dont take any crap, its easier where you are, but i wouldnt have a leg to stand on.

have you ever tried guessing the sex based on plant height in the first few weeks, they say males grow taller and quicker than females with bigger gaps between nodes, the females are smaller and close node growth.

i tried doing it with the ak seeds i planted, out 3 i had in veg i guessed 1 was male and 1 female, but i guessed the other was female and it turned out male, just seems like it grew slower, but it is a good way of guessing, plus you can seperate them into 2 groups and see how many you got right when they do actually show sex, i wouldnt pull any till they showed sexy but it possibly works, but i cant see anyone throwing out any plants based on that alone, you could plant 10 seeds from same mother and some may grow slower than others, so its never a 100% method but i think its a good idea to give it a try and see how right you was or wasnt
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I've never tried to guess based on early growth, but thinking back to previous seed grows, the males did tend to be faster growers by a little bit.

What I plan to do with both of my current seed grows is let them get big enough to take a descent cutting from each plant, number them to match the plant they came from and put them all in my cloner under 12/12 until they show their sex, then I will know which of the plants growing out back are which sex and can then make plans accordingly.

If I get any male Harlequin, I plan to bring them to full flower and collect the pollen and use it to polenate either one of the original Harlequin females or a clone if I only get one out of those four seeds. I will then put one of my GDP clones into the same indoor grow space with the male Harlequin (s) under 12/12 and let nature take its course. If I can get a GDP cross that has higher CBD levels, that would be cool. A Harlequin male would probably be the best choice for that attempt I would think. ;)
 
keeping my fingers crossed for fems,
 
OldMedMan said:
Not really anything to say to this seed problem. I do hope you get one male and one female that are healthy.
I do agree with your opinions too. Good luck my friend.:Namaste:
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Hey Old Man!

Well... Seed problems happen from time to time, and if you have a decent supply of them a few duds are not a big deal. It gets a little more problematic when you are dealing with retail seeds since at current prices, you are loosing some reasonable $$ for every one that fails to germinate, or dies early on before fully opening as what happened to my H #5 seedling. There was nothing left of the poor thing this morning, so I pulled the name tag stick out and recycled the pot and the soil. RIP little #5! Don't know what happened to you, but it was a first for me, that's for sure. Usually once they break ground its all good going forward. H #6 never showed up, so I recycled that pot and soil as well. :(

Speaking of which...

I heard back from one of the folks from Medicinal Organics tonight via email. As it turns out, they are delivering some of their products to a few shops in town, so the plan is to head over there and meet up with them in person before they head back up to the Bay Area. Free replacement seeds were mentioned along with a chat on some other things. The in person meeting was their idea, and since I have no plans that day, I agreed to head over there when they are done with their deliveries.

Actually... I would have been surprised if they didn't get right back to me, and offer something like this, since they have always struck me as an upstanding botanical enterprise. They are obviously trying to improve the quality of MMJ strains for everyone out there that needs good quality medicine!

As I have said many times... Their Blue Cheese is an awesome strain and I have heard nothing but raves about many of their other offerings as well, so I am looking forward to the opportunity to chat with one of them in person about how they come up with such impressive strains! But that said...I will still suggest that they increase the number of seeds per pack! ;)

P.S.

I had a lot on my plate today, so I never got around to taking any photos of the grows, but I will definitely post some tomorrow afternoon or early evening, I promise! :thumb:

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great news mate, let us know how the meeting goes, im sure they will sort you out, it wont be much of a cost to them, plus getting to know them face to face might even open some new doors and new products at a later date, sounds like their a pretty decent bunch, let us know how it goes, i updated my journal today with plenty of pics, av a look when you get chance
 
donpaul.p said:
great news mate, let us know how the meeting goes, im sure they will sort you out, it wont be much of a cost to them, plus getting to know them face to face might even open some new doors and new products at a later date, sounds like their a pretty decent bunch, let us know how it goes, i updated my journal today with plenty of pics, av a look when you get chance
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Thanks Don!

I'm heading over to your journal right now! :thumb:
 
PHOTO UPDATE!
Harlequin and Purple Rhino Seedlings
A few new photos of GDP and BC Clones

The seedlings are doing well and slowly growing into the next phase. Have a look!

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H #3

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Purple Rhino #1 and #2 which just popped today!

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GDP and Blue Cheese Clone Update

Right to left... GDP #1 and #2

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Left to right... GDP #5 - BC #1 and #2

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GDP #5 and #6

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So there ya have it folks!

All the plants are doing real well and seem to be making excellent use of our long sunny days up here recently. I will keep you all posted on my meeting with M.O.N. Friday night or Saturday morning.

Thanks for stopping by! :thanks:
 
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