GG7's Indoor/Outdoor Grows!

[Debudman]

Great looking nugs, GG7!!!

<RANT BACK ON>
BTW...next to the alcohol industry, next largest contributor to the "Partnership for a Drug Free America" is the pharmaceutical industry! After all, why would they want us all to be able to grow our own free meds instead of having to pay them for things like aspirin, sleep aids, and MANY more big money-makers for them!

Combine that with politicians who get BIG donations and government officials who get lots of power and BIG funding for their anti-drug programs, and we have the perfect storm for continued prohibition.

This is why sites like are so important, as they help spread the word of cannabis awareness. And, this is why it's so important for each of us to help educate others as to the truth behind this wonderful plant we all enjoy!
<RANT BACK OFF>

Hmmmm The pharmaceutical Industry is a contributor to the "Partnership for a Drug Free America and their primary function is to provide drugs.

But I do support your rants...haha

Oh, and by the way Goose your plants look awsome my friend.
Also I vote #1 on that nugget of yours. That photo came out nice. Will have to try that flashlight trick.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Hmmmm The pharmaceutical Industry is a contributor to the "Partnership for a Drug Free America and their primary function is to provide drugs.

But I do support your rants...haha

Oh, and by the way Goose your plants look awsome my friend.
Also I vote #1 on that nugget of yours. That photo came out nice. Will have to try that flashlight trick.

YUP! - Contributors to Partnership for a Drug Free America

 

[Debudman]

YUP! - Contributors to Partnership for a Drug Free America

I think this calls for a bong hit
Or not...haha

 

[Goldengoose7]

Weekend Update II
The Latest from the Back Hill Grows!

The plants on the back hill are really going to town with their flowering now! The 23rd was the first day of Fall and with that comes natural 12/12 and a countdown to longer and longer nights! We are in a little mini heatwave at the moment, so it is going to take a change in the pattern before we see the Purple Urkles or GDPs begin to change color.

Still... The trichome production is ramping up significantly compared to just a week ago as the following photos will clearly demonstrate!

Lets get started!

Purple Urkle

Blueberry Kush Minis

These are the little 9" and 12" BBK clones that I am experimenting with seeing how much bud I can get from such small plants.

Blue Cheese (POTM 2nd Place)

The BC mother is loaded with small but very dense buds! Just like her original flowering back in June, she is VERY frosty!

Back Deck Grows

BBK #3, GPD #3 and #1, BBK #4, 5 and 6

GDP #3

GDP #1 Bud

And that wraps it up for this update!

Everything is humming along as we count down the remaining weeks until harvest of all of our outdoor plants! Based on the current schedule, we are going to be shooting for the week of October 9th for the majority of the plants on the back hill and on the back deck.

We will probably start checking trichomes with the microscope a few days before that just to make sure we are on schedule. Hopefully we will get overnight temps low enough by then to turn all the Purple Urkle and GDP plants purple! Wouldn't that be nice?

See ya next time and have a great weekend everybody!

OH! Almost forgot!

Tomorrow we un-bag the White Rhino male flower buds to see if we got any pollen out of them! Ganja told me to let them remain in the bags until Sunday, so tomorrow is the day!

Stay tuned for that!

 

[Mr. Krip]

Just BEAUTIFUL, GG7!

Those Urkles look awesome, but this is definately my kind of pic! :

 

[Debudman]

S W E E T !!!!

I like the little minis too. I happen to have (2) just like them.
I first thought, nahh I won't get much this late in the game. But, I was pleasantly surprised at how dense and frosty the buds are developing.
In fact they may turn out to be some of my most tasty buds this year.
One is a White Widow, and the other is one that I cloned from my Purple OG Kush.

 

[Goldengoose7]

Just BEAUTIFUL, GG7!

Those Urkles look awesome, but this is definately my kind of pic! :

Hey Mr. Krip!

Thanks man!

I tell ya, that Medicinal Organic Nursery Blue Cheese strain is the gift that KEEPS ON GIVING!

I don't think I have ever seen a plant that has recovered so well from a total harvest and reveg, and then turn out to be the first plant of the bunch to go BACK into flower! And then, even after the severe prune job I gave her for brief mother plant duties, she still manages to make those frosty buds anyway!

I LOVE HER!

Even though I was finally able to clone her with that one successful clone in the Turbo Klone, (BC #2) the more I think about it, I am going to bring her inside before the frost and see if she can reveg for a second time and then give her another shot outside next season!

 

[Goldengoose7]

S W E E T !!!!

I like the little minis too. I happen to have (2) just like them.
I first thought, nahh I won't get much this late in the game. But, I was pleasantly surprised at how dense and frosty the buds are developing.
In fact they may turn out to be some of my most tasty buds this year.
One is a White Widow, and the other is one that I cloned from my Purple OG Kush.

Hey Budman!

Thanks to the Turbo Klone, I ended up with a 100% cloning success rate on my first two sessions which resulted in an overabundance of BBK clones. When they all started flowering right afterwards, I just let them go for it and I ended up with a bunch of 9" and 12" tall flowering BBKs! They are frosting up really nicely as you can see from the photos. As you said about yours.. the minis are frosting up better than the larger BBKs.

I wonder if that is a common thing to happen when you flower small plants like this?

 

[Debudman]

Hey Budman!

Thanks to the Turbo Klone, I ended up with a 100% cloning success rate on my first two sessions which resulted in an overabundance of BBK clones. When they all started flowering right afterwards, I just let them go for it and I ended up with a bunch of 9" and 12" tall flowering BBKs! They are frosting up really nicely as you can see from the photos. As you said about yours.. the minis are frosting up better than the larger BBKs.

I wonder if that is a common thing to happen when you flower small plants like this?

Yeah I like the way that Turbo Kloner is designed. The air mixing in the water and oxygen that it adds I'm sure really makes a huge difference.

It may just be common for the smaller flowering plants to appear more frosty as the plant directs its energy to a much smaller area. Who knows

 

[Xlr8]

Wow - your plants look beautiful. Love the GDP's and the Urkles - hell I love 'em all. Pretty cool how much love you've got from your Blue Cheese. I'd try to save her too.

 

[Goldengoose7]

Yeah I like the way that Turbo Kloner is designed. The air mixing in the water and oxygen that it adds I'm sure really makes a huge difference.

It may just be common for the smaller flowering plants to appear more frosty as the plant directs its energy to a much smaller area. Who knows

Yep! I'm really pleased with my Turbo Klone!

Did you see the new Turbo Klone Mini 24 that Mr. Krip just got? 24 cloning sites all wrapped up in a slick mini version of my T48!

I had heard that they were working on a small footprint model targeted at the home MMJ grower that doesn't need a ton of cloning sites but wants the same awesome design and features of the larger models! I told K that if the Mini 24 had been available back in June when I bought my T48 that I would have definitely gone for that one! I rarely would need to clone more than 24 cuttings in a single session. I think the most I have done with the T48 was 22.

I highly recommend that you and anyone else that has yet to pick up an aerocloner give the Mini 24 a serious look! Head over to Mr. K's journal for a look see! He just posted a bunch of new photos of the unit in his grow room! I believe he got it for under $200.00 ! That's a steal!

As for the frosting on the smaller plants... I think you may be on to something! Makes sense that a smaller plant with one giant cola could put more energy into bud development than a larger plant trying to nourish multiple branches and multiple colas.

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[Goldengoose7]

Wow - your plants look beautiful. Love the GDP's and the Urkles - hell I love 'em all. Pretty cool how much love you've got from your Blue Cheese. I'd try to save her too.

Thanks XL!

She is definitely one "special" plant! I have revegged plants before, but they have never come back with such gusto and such a will to live! I LOVED the bud she gave me after the first harvest! I hated to see it go when I ground the last of it up for my vaporizer back in early August. Even though her buds are going to be small little nugs this time, they once again have that lovely "teal" colored hue and frosty as a snow cone!

I can't wait until her daughter (BC #2) is large enough to provide me with cuttings! If all goes well, the first job for the T48 in March of 2012 will be a full tilt Blue Cheese session! I'm going to try and rear as many BC as I can to stock my bud larder to the brim with that smooth but POTENT BC BUD!

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P.S. I checked on one of the White Rhino branches last night and ended up stripping all the flowers off and putting them in a small mason jar. I don't think the pollen was ripe though. I didn't detect any yellow colored pollen in the bag or in the flowers. I'm going to let the other two branches continue for at least another few days. The branch looked totally alive and healthy too! The fan leaves were nice and green and showed no sign of wilt or stress! If the other two are in the same condition, they can easily go another week or even two if that's what it will take for the pollen to mature.

 

[Debudman]

Yep! I'm really pleased with my Turbo Klone!

Did you see the new Turbo Klone Mini 24 that Mr. Krip just got? 24 cloning sites all wrapped up in a slick mini version of my T48!

I had heard that they were working on a small footprint model targeted at the home MMJ grower that doesn't need a ton of cloning sites but wants the same awesome design and features of the larger models! I told K that if the Mini 24 had been available back in June when I bought my T48 that I would have definitely gone for that one! I rarely would need to clone more than 24 cuttings in a single session. I think the most I have done with the T48 was 22.

I highly recommend that you and anyone else that has yet to pick up an aerocloner give the Mini 24 a serious look! Head over to Mr. K's journal for a look see! He just posted a bunch of new photos of the unit in his grow room! I believe he got it for under $200.00 ! That's a steal!

As for the frosting on the smaller plants... I think you may be on to something! Makes sense that a smaller plant with one giant cola could put more energy into bud development than a larger plant trying to nourish multiple branches and multiple colas.

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I think I need more like a T12 Goose...haha. My grows are typically just small personal grows and would never see a need to clone 24 at one time. But I can see how it would be definitely much more attractive for the individuals like myself who's primary concern is for personal growing. Thanks for the info my friend. I will stick that info under my hat so when I get ready to purchase one I am all set.

 

[Goldengoose7]

I think I need more like a T12 Goose...haha. My grows are typically just small personal grows and would never see a need to clone 24 at one time. But I can see how it would be definitely much more attractive for the individuals like myself who's primary concern is for personal growing. Thanks for the info my friend. I will stick that info under my hat so when I get ready to purchase one I am all set.

Sounds like a plan Budman!

I totally understand that even a 24 site machine would likely be more sites than most of us personal growers would need in a session. As I told Mr. Krip... I predict that the Mini 24 is going to be Turbo Klone's #1 selling unit hands down! A half dozen or so cuttings at a time is about right for most single patient grows. Especially considering that these Turbo Klones do such a good job that you almost always get 100% rooting success with every single cutting you put in one!

I learned that lesson fast the first session I did. I took double the amount I actually needed cause I assumed that I would probably only get half of them rooted. WRONG! 100% success. Second session 100% success.

The only session that bombed out was the last one where as you guys already know, I had taken cuttings from the Blue Cheese plant that had just transitioned into flower mode but hadn't shown any outward signs yet. It was only after about a week that the mother plant started producing flower tops, and then to my surprise, ALL of the cuttings in the cloner started doing the same thing!

We all know that once a plant goes into flower mode, root development stops dead in its tracks. NOT the time to attempt to clone a plant! It was a damn good thing that those cuttings were destined for the T48, cause if this had been a traditional Rockwool cloning attempt, I am sure I would have ended up with nothing.

On day 18 we ended up with ONE BC clone with respectable root spikes, and the three Northern Lights cuttings I had thrown in there at the last minute all rooted too! Unfortunately, the other 18 BC cuttings never made it. There was one other BC cutting that had two tiny root hairs on the stem, so I planted it, but it never did anything in soil, and I ended up pulling it out last week.

If there was ever any doubt as to the superior performance of an aerocloner, that third session demonstrated what a quality cloner can do, even under the absolute worst case scenario!

 

[treezzz]

hey goldengoose! i just finished reading your GDP journal and i just wanted to say your pictures were amazing! thanks for responding to my post about the issue i was having. i appreciate the help. i really respect your method of simplicity and it seems to pay off very well for you. also the info on powedery mildew and cloning was very helpful. you seem to know a lot about cannabis genetics, especially purple strains, and i was wondering if you have any experience or knowledge about Purps a.k.a. Da Purps because i ordered some feminized Purps about a week ago. Once again, great job and thanks!

 

[Goldengoose7]

hey goldengoose! i just finished reading your GDP journal and i just wanted to say your pictures were amazing! thanks for responding to my post about the issue i was having. i appreciate the help. i really respect your method of simplicity and it seems to pay off very well for you. also the info on powedery mildew and cloning was very helpful. you seem to know a lot about cannabis genetics, especially purple strains, and i was wondering if you have any experience or knowledge about Purps a.k.a. Da Purps because i ordered some feminized Purps about a week ago. Once again, great job and thanks!

Hey Treezzz!

Thanks for the kind words and WELCOME to my main grow journal!

Hope that you stick around and follow the remaining outdoor crop to flower! A few more weeks left to go outside, but now that we have passed the 12/12 barrier, they will start to really put on the frost and the swell!

I welcome any and all input from my 420 friends who follow along here, so feel free to ASK AWAY with anything you may want to know. I obviously don't know everything, but we have what I would consider the "Whos Who" of the 420 mag master growers following this journal, so if I can't answer your question, I am sure one of those good folks can!

I've only been seriously growing Cannabis for a few years, but I have been an avid gardener for over 30. Most of my "Less is More" techniques are simply carried over from my philosophy with other crops, primarily food crops where you can TASTE the difference between a light touch with fertilizers and a heavy handed approach where you spend a fortune on liquid nutes and the magic potion of the week. I went down that path a long time ago, and found that the fruit just didn't taste as good as the more organic and light touch approach. This same approach produces the kind of plants and buds you see in the pages of this journal.

Besides the bliss of not having to stick to some regimented feeding schedule and what not, it is a HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER!

LONG REPLY ALERT!

Glad that the PM info helped you out! It is definitely the scourge of all gardeners, Cannabis or not! I have a HELL of a time with it whenever we grow things like Cucumbers and Squash. You think it likes Cannabis? It can turn Cucumber and Squash leaves TOTALLY WHITE overnight! I HATE IT!! But... As I think I mentioned in my PM section, it is everywhere in the forest behind our house. Anytime I take a walk back there and look around at the wild ground cover, it is all coated with PM! Sickening, but nothing you can do about it. I guess it is part of the circle of life out there and it must serve some useful purpose for something. At least I would hope so!

As to your question about "Da Purps". I haven't grown any of that particular strain myself, but most of these can trace their roots back to the wild growing purples of Northern California, of which Purple Urkle is the undeniable KING/QUEEN of the native purple strains. Well... It isn't actually native per se, but after it was introduced all those years ago, it spread on its own, evolved and now can be found growing wild in the hills of Humbolt County, Medocino, Big Sir and many of the other coastal mountain areas.

It LOVES a mild climate where the sea breezes come in off the pacific and cool the overnights into the mid 40s to lower 50s this time of year. It is at this time of year (September through November) that Purple Urkle ends its natural life cycle and because of the cool nights, turns that lovely purple hue!

If your purple strain is decended from Urkle, and I have no reason to believe that it wasn't, if you can give it those cool overnight temps it will definitely turn for you! Some growers are alarmed when they grow this stuff indoors and it never turns color. But that is simply because they never give it those cool temps during the dark cycle it likes and needs.

There are some more recently produced purples that don't require this temp range to change color. Not sure if your strain is one of these, but it might be. I'm also not sure what the creators of those more recent strains did to get around that environmental ingredient for the color change, but I have heard from many growers of these that they didn't have to do anything special to get their strain to change color for them.

One thing about Urkle that fortunately GDP does not share is its LOVE for VERTICAL GROWTH! This stuff is like a creeping vine if left to its own devices! While most strains will stretch a few inches during the 12/12 transition period, Urkle is a MONSTER! Early on I made the mistake of putting untopped plants into my bloom room when they were 30" tall. Within two weeks they had hit the limit of my hangers and I was out of rope for my T5 fixture! I was forced to pull them out and put them back outside where I pruned the crap out of them. They grew back rapidly and are now close to 5 feet tall. The "Back Hill" grow is made up of these two original clones and several of their cuttings that I cloned off before I originally put them into the Bloom Room.

Now, I know what needs to be done with these and top them early when they are under 15" tall and continue to prune them back all through veg until I can get them to resemble a hedge.

Here is a photo of a portion of one of the Urkle clones I made on the left and my single White Rhino female on the right. The Urkle is 5 feet tall, and the Rhino is just under 7 feet tall

Here is a BABY Urkle that I put into flower immediately after it came out of the cloner. This is going to be the future of my Urkle flowering technique, since if you start them when they are small, they don't get crazy tall but they still produce some respectable bud!

A couple of weeks ago...

This last Saturday...

The buds are just now starting to get dense and thicken up. Urkle is a more airy bud than others at the start, but they do get thicker and thicker as time goes on and eventually get pretty dense, but they are never going to be HUGE fat colas. However, what counts is the quality of the smoke, and I have sampled cured bud from the mother plant I got my original clones from and it was DIVINE!

I hope I helped give you some more info on your purple strain somewhere in this "NOVEL" I ended up making out of this reply! Once I get going on a point, I can't stop digressing! LOL!

Feel free to follow up with another question or two if I didn't give you what you needed to know in here! And once again... WELCOME ABOARD!

 

[treezzz]

thanks so much for taking the time to write that out. i don't mind a lengthy response haha. i will definitely be following your journal but it might take me a minute to do some catching up. out of all of the journals i've read i really like your style and your results. and as far as the possibility of the Purps preferring a colder climate, i live in the midwest where winters get pretty cold and my grow room has a small window to the outside so it will be easy to experiment with low temp drops if i want to. that urkle/rhino pic is pretty sick! thanks again for the reply and happy growing!

 

[Twelve12]

Like the use of airpots for your veg plants. Will you be using them in the future for outdoors? I think they have a big size that will be great for trees. I'm using them right now with coco coir and it's amazing. I always had problem with water running out of the sides no matter how compacted the soil is, with coco it seemed to absorb it before that happen. Do you experience water running on the side with these?

 

[Goldengoose7]

Like the use of airpots for your veg plants. Will you be using them in the future for outdoors? I think they have a big size that will be great for trees. I'm using them right now with coco coir and it's amazing. I always had problem with water running out of the sides no matter how compacted the soil is, with coco it seemed to absorb it before that happen. Do you experience water running on the side with these?

Hey Twelve! Long time no see!

Yep! I plan to use them for outside next season. I picked up six of the 5.2 gallon size that will be just about the right size for the size plants I prefer to grow. They are actually bigger than the traditional 5 gallon pots I have been using out there for the last several years now.

I did see some water out the sides when I first hydrated the pots after packing, but not so much anymore. I used some Black Gold Waterhold Cocoblend which is basically the same thing you are using, but I mixed it with equal parts of Hyponex and Happy Frog. I didn't have enough Cocoblend to do it 100% considering all the Air Pots I needed to pack. Even though Ganja Arnanda assured me that the water holding issues indoors would not matter with Air Pots, I still chose to mix it with conventional potting soils instead of going out and buying more Cocoblend. I was using it 100% last season in conventional pots, but I did run into some issues with it when I moved those plants indoors to flower, so I kind of backed away from using it unmixed this season.

How long have you been using the 100% Coco in Air Pots? Are these indoors? Just wondering if you concur with Ganja about the water holding properties not being an issue with Air Pots, even indoors when you have far less Evapotranspiration going on.

Cheers and good to see you again!

 

[Goldengoose7]

thanks so much for taking the time to write that out. i don't mind a lengthy response haha. i will definitely be following your journal but it might take me a minute to do some catching up. out of all of the journals i've read i really like your style and your results. and as far as the possibility of the Purps preferring a colder climate, i live in the midwest where winters get pretty cold and my grow room has a small window to the outside so it will be easy to experiment with low temp drops if i want to. that urkle/rhino pic is pretty sick! thanks again for the reply and happy growing!

My pleasure Treezzz!

I know it will take you a while to get through this whole thing at this point! It has certainly grown since I started it back in June!

You are welcome here ANY TIME!