cloning is basically copy and pasting dna code, instead of creating new....unlike technology, which deteriorates easily by it's environment , lifeforms are simply put , better built, devinely built in my faith...thus, since a clone from a plant is taken DIRECTLY from it, it has the exact DNA as the donor, can't have a variation exist in the same lifeform to my understanding ... sooo, don't see how it could change unless it needs to adapt in some way, which would take a LOOOOOONNNNGGG time...
GG7's Indoor/Outdoor Grows!
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Thats a very good way to address that whole question GT!!
I would think that if there was any degradation, it wouldn't be introduced in cuttings from the constant use of a single original mother plant, but instead would likely happen way down the line with plants that are maybe 15 generations down the line from an original cutting off the original mother plant.
Thing is... I keep coming back to Ken Estes and his original GDP plant 2 decades ago. If there was a loss of potency over time, then how can we explain today's genuine GDP plants which are still impressing the crap out of everyone who grows and uses this great strain?
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All Projects Photo Update!
Assorted Photos from the Indoor/Outdoor Grows
With all the recent harvesting and flowering, a lot of the other plants and projects have kind of gotten lost in the shuffle. So this update is for all those "other" plants and projects we haven't talked about for awhile.
Indoors
(left to right: BBK clone #4, GDP clones 4-7, BBK clone #5)
BBK clone #4 just now coming out of flower mode and back to veg after several weeks of an 18/6 light cycle. I'm definitely going to pay closer attention to the daylight hours outside next year to avoid my clones trying to flower after they are cut from the mother plant and put into the cloner.
BBK clone #5 is still insisting that she NEEDS to flower NOW! As soon as this last Turbo Klone session is done this weekend, I plan to put these indoor plants on a 24/0 for a few weeks to hopefully put an end to this flowering problem with this last BBK
The remaining BBK and Purple Urkle clones that were created in cloning sessions 1 & 2 will be left outdoors to flower. The two BBK clones pictured here were chosen because they had the least amount of flower buds on them before being brought in from out back.
GDP Clones 4-7
These were created in my previous Turbo Klone session and are primarily children of GDP #3 which had less flower activity at the time. Even so, all of these clones had flower tops when they first came out of the cloner, but fortunately, all but GDP 6 has lost its flower and is firmly back into veg mode. THANK GOD! These are my next year's GDP stock!
GDP #6 still refusing to give up the flowering urge and reveg, but she is slowly getting the message
The other three clones are all back in veg mode and are looking really good!
Speaking of the Turbo Klone...
Here is the latest photo of the cuttings in session #3. With the Blue Cheese mother refusing to reveg and being put back outside to flower over a week ago now, this is my LAST CHANCE to get a clone of Blue Cheese! I am cautiously optimistic that I will get at least 1 rooted clone out of these cuttings. The major hurdle here is that ALL of these cuttings are trying to flower because their mothers were just entering a natural flower cycle outside when these cuttings were taken.
Outdoors
Purple Urkle Clones 1st and 2nd Generation
These plants have finally stopped their vertical growth and are now in a serious natural flower cycle. They all average about 5.5 feet tall now and are loaded with flowering branches!
Northern Lights
The only surviving NL plant from those problematic seeds discussed earlier in this journal. The plant is now 6.5 feet tall AND FEMALE!!
White Rhino
This is the tallest plant in our entire collection with a current height of 9.7 feet! No sign of any flowering yet, but the pre-flowers are definitely FEMALE!
GDP #3 Back on the Deck
The flower tops resemble an indoor flowered plant at just about Week 2
BBK Clones in Flower Outdoors!
Here is what the rest of the BBK clones from session #2 look like now after being left outside to flower naturally. Notice that the 2.5 gallon pot has helped to reduce stretch and branching, resulting in a little "Christmas Tree" shaped plant that will likely end up as one solid cola from top to bottom!
I will have more photos of this group of clones in our next update! But for now...
That's All Folks!
Assorted Photos from the Indoor/Outdoor Grows
With all the recent harvesting and flowering, a lot of the other plants and projects have kind of gotten lost in the shuffle. So this update is for all those "other" plants and projects we haven't talked about for awhile.
Indoors
(left to right: BBK clone #4, GDP clones 4-7, BBK clone #5)
BBK clone #4 just now coming out of flower mode and back to veg after several weeks of an 18/6 light cycle. I'm definitely going to pay closer attention to the daylight hours outside next year to avoid my clones trying to flower after they are cut from the mother plant and put into the cloner.
BBK clone #5 is still insisting that she NEEDS to flower NOW! As soon as this last Turbo Klone session is done this weekend, I plan to put these indoor plants on a 24/0 for a few weeks to hopefully put an end to this flowering problem with this last BBK
The remaining BBK and Purple Urkle clones that were created in cloning sessions 1 & 2 will be left outdoors to flower. The two BBK clones pictured here were chosen because they had the least amount of flower buds on them before being brought in from out back.
GDP Clones 4-7
These were created in my previous Turbo Klone session and are primarily children of GDP #3 which had less flower activity at the time. Even so, all of these clones had flower tops when they first came out of the cloner, but fortunately, all but GDP 6 has lost its flower and is firmly back into veg mode. THANK GOD! These are my next year's GDP stock!
GDP #6 still refusing to give up the flowering urge and reveg, but she is slowly getting the message
The other three clones are all back in veg mode and are looking really good!
Speaking of the Turbo Klone...
Here is the latest photo of the cuttings in session #3. With the Blue Cheese mother refusing to reveg and being put back outside to flower over a week ago now, this is my LAST CHANCE to get a clone of Blue Cheese! I am cautiously optimistic that I will get at least 1 rooted clone out of these cuttings. The major hurdle here is that ALL of these cuttings are trying to flower because their mothers were just entering a natural flower cycle outside when these cuttings were taken.
Outdoors
Purple Urkle Clones 1st and 2nd Generation
These plants have finally stopped their vertical growth and are now in a serious natural flower cycle. They all average about 5.5 feet tall now and are loaded with flowering branches!
Northern Lights
The only surviving NL plant from those problematic seeds discussed earlier in this journal. The plant is now 6.5 feet tall AND FEMALE!!
White Rhino
This is the tallest plant in our entire collection with a current height of 9.7 feet! No sign of any flowering yet, but the pre-flowers are definitely FEMALE!
GDP #3 Back on the Deck
The flower tops resemble an indoor flowered plant at just about Week 2
BBK Clones in Flower Outdoors!
Here is what the rest of the BBK clones from session #2 look like now after being left outside to flower naturally. Notice that the 2.5 gallon pot has helped to reduce stretch and branching, resulting in a little "Christmas Tree" shaped plant that will likely end up as one solid cola from top to bottom!
I will have more photos of this group of clones in our next update! But for now...
That's All Folks!
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Very Cool OG! I am always pleased to hear positive comments like this about the parts of this process I enjoy the most! THE SCIENCE!
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and often times, common household products can accomplish the same EXACT results of many of these spendy products. I will continue to try to provide as much of this kind of reference material as I can, and now that we have some of the heavy hitters around here subscribed to this thread, I have some help realizing that goal! GG7 -
My friend, I recently started subbing to your journal and I'm so very impressed. Those BB Kush harvests were phenomenal, and your other projects are so inspiring. Hope you are feeling okay, and I sure appreciate the concern you've shown me as well. It's so easy to over do things, and that's when mistakes and problems happen - Murphy at work! OMM knows him well, too, as do so many of us! He likes it when we are over tired, physically less than optimum and doing too much....
GREAT pics and congrats on another really fantastic harvest.
My friend, I recently started subbing to your journal and I'm so very impressed. Those BB Kush harvests were phenomenal, and your other projects are so inspiring. Hope you are feeling okay, and I sure appreciate the concern you've shown me as well. It's so easy to over do things, and that's when mistakes and problems happen - Murphy at work! OMM knows him well, too, as do so many of us! He likes it when we are over tired, physically less than optimum and doing too much....
GREAT pics and congrats on another really fantastic harvest.
Thats a very good way to address that whole question GT!!
I would think that if there was any degradation, it wouldn't be introduced in cuttings from the constant use of a single original mother plant, but instead would likely happen way down the line with plants that are maybe 15 generations down the line from an original cutting off the original mother plant.
Thing is... I keep coming back to Ken Estes and his original GDP plant 2 decades ago. If there was a loss of potency over time, then how can we explain today's genuine GDP plants which are still impressing the crap out of everyone who grows and uses this great strain?
What can you say?? Some got em, some don't..good genes
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GDP #2 Turning Purple!
All she needed were those overnight lows in the 50s!
Our heatwave broke a couple of days ago and our overnight lows returned to the low to mid 50s. And just like Ken Estes said, those cool overnight lows were all GDP #2 needed to start turning purple FAST! She will be at Week 8 this Saturday, so things are starting to look favorable for a harvest this weekend!
Check her out!
We all knew that this was likely coming after seeing all that purple pigment in the trichomes, but I wasn't expecting the transformation to happen so fast. Just three days ago before the temps started falling back to normal, she had no outwardly visible signs of a color change. Only under the microscope could we see that something "purple" was going on. In those three days she went from her previous dark green to this!
So... Looks like when it comes to the "Genuine" GDP strain, the overnight low temps are KEY to getting the color change to take place naturally without the aid of any special chemicals or nutes.
Looks like I won't be needing that Purple Maxx after all!
All she needed were those overnight lows in the 50s!
Our heatwave broke a couple of days ago and our overnight lows returned to the low to mid 50s. And just like Ken Estes said, those cool overnight lows were all GDP #2 needed to start turning purple FAST! She will be at Week 8 this Saturday, so things are starting to look favorable for a harvest this weekend!
Check her out!
We all knew that this was likely coming after seeing all that purple pigment in the trichomes, but I wasn't expecting the transformation to happen so fast. Just three days ago before the temps started falling back to normal, she had no outwardly visible signs of a color change. Only under the microscope could we see that something "purple" was going on. In those three days she went from her previous dark green to this!
So... Looks like when it comes to the "Genuine" GDP strain, the overnight low temps are KEY to getting the color change to take place naturally without the aid of any special chemicals or nutes.
Looks like I won't be needing that Purple Maxx after all!
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL, GG7! 
It really is remarkable that the change happened that quick!
When you have a chance, take a pic of the whole plant. You'll thank me later when you win POTM this month!
It really is remarkable that the change happened that quick!
When you have a chance, take a pic of the whole plant. You'll thank me later when you win POTM this month!
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Mr. Krip said:Absolutely BEAUTIFUL, GG7!
It really is remarkable that the change happened that quick!
When you have a chance, take a pic of the whole plant. You'll thank me later when you win POTM this month!
Thanks Mr. Krip and Greenie!
The color is moving from the top down, so only the top third of the plant has the purple leaf edges so far, but I can see the remaining leaves showing the same early signs of the change I saw at the top yesterday afternoon.
It is amazing how fast it changed! If you go back and look at the most recent trichome images, you do see a distinct purple hue on some of the sample's leaf edges. Too small to see back then without the scope, but she has been winding up to this I guess all that time and the lower temps were the catalyst for the larger color change.
POTM? You think so? I had been planning to enter BBK1 for Sept.
Guess we need to see how purple this baby gets! Just checked the trichs with my loupe, and I think we could probably let her keep going through next week without any risk of her being over ripe. I would LOVE to see her go totally purple. That was my original goal, so maybe we have a shot at that now as long as the weather holds.
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Congrats on the purple - sa-weeeeeeet. Love it -- looks a bit like my Blueberry from a couple of grows ago. Leaves turned really dark purple - almost black (but healthy). Looks great buddy!
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Congrats on the purple - sa-weeeeeeet. Love it -- looks a bit like my Blueberry from a couple of grows ago. Leaves turned really dark purple - almost black (but healthy). Looks great buddy!
Thanks XL!
You had a Blueberry that turned purple? What a trip! My "Blue" strains have always been more of a lighter teal blue color or blackish green like the BBKs.
I'll post another trichome series on Saturday from GDP 2 so we can compare the trichomes before and after the change.
Oh! Also, I wanted to get all of your guys' input on something... I actually posted a new thread about it, but haven't gotten any replies so far.
Looking for opinions on In SOIL PH/Moisture Meters. I can't easily check runoff PH on plants in the bathtub area of my flowering room (guest bathroom), so I stuck a Hydrofarm meter we use for our Violets in GDP #1's soil. I checked it against my DH-200 in a glass of water before hand and it was actually pretty close, so I feel comfortable taking what it reports as reasonably accurate.
Why my sudden interest in soil PH? GDP #1 is starting to exhibit that same odd leaf discoloration that both BBK plants did when they were in there. Can't discount the possibility of fan leaf damage from that Baking Soda treatment for the PM problem two weeks ago, but I think it might be something else.
Anyway... If you guys can chime in with your opinions on these devices in that other thread I would appreciate it. Didn't want to derail my journal too far off the track with that discussion in this thread.
Thanks for checking in and I hope that you are feeling better!
Definately gonna be POTM material....heck, all of your stuff is, even the red jalapenos, which my mother is SOOOOOO ecstatic about
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Wow! I appreciate the high praise! Your opinion definitely carries some weight with me!
Gonna have to really think hard on whether to enter the GDP or the Blueberry Kush photos. I still really like these BBK bud shots!
Speaking of the Red Jalapenos.... I just harvested the biggest pods from the largest producing plant in this grow. The pepper pods averaged about 6 inches long and about 3 inches in diameter at the stem end. Cut them open and got all the seeds out. They are all laid out to dry as we speak, so I should be able to send a few dozen off to your mom in about a week!
I think I like the BBK over the GDP so far, so beautiful !!! And thanks again, once I find those Ghost Peppers and Birdeye's, I will have to get some to you, really fun to grow, Peter Peppers are interesting also, lol, have you heard of em?
where can i get those bbk beans?? would love those in my stable!
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GodsTrichome said:
Never heard of Peter Peppers. Peter Piper's Pickled Peppers YES!
Appreciate the offer, but I'm not really into "The Ghost Chile". WAY TOO HOT for my tastes!
Peppers that are that hot are too dangerous with all our cats and whatnot. Chefs have to wear gas masks to prepare those things along with THICK rubber gloves. No thanks!
I've got enough stomach trouble as it is!
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GodsTrichome said:
The strain I have is "Clone Only". But I have seen BBK seeds being offered up from those Danish sites. At least I think I have seen the name listed.
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shucks....dont really trust those guys...
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GodsTrichome said:
I hear ya! Too bad we are not neighbors! I would be happy to give you a couple of my clones. Those two Turbo Klone experimental sessions i ran in July resulted in an overabundance of baby BBKs!
Cause of the light cycle change outside, they are all in flower now. Even the little 8" ones!
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