GG7's Indoor/Outdoor Grows!

[Mr. Krip]

Great research, GG7! +Reps!

I didn't think you'd have much luck finding the ingredients. A lot of fertilizer companies don't put their ingredients labels on the bottles because of the costs of adhering to federal regulations (if you're interested, there's a video in my journal that discusses this I can point you to!).

Did you find any info about Triacontanol assisting in the color change?

I'm asking because I believe the difference between SSU and Purple Maxx IS the ingredient that aids in turning blue strains blue. I'm not sure if it's Triacontanol or not, but either way, that tea sounds like a great formula and I may try it on my outdoor garden!

 

[420GodsTrichome]

This is also why these solutions seem carbonated, the reaction...alfalfa and fish tea is legendary around here and ive mentioned there use before, great breakdown GG7!!!!

 

[420GodsTrichome]

and gotta mention my SugarCane is looking frostier with the SSU.... think I may continue it after a more in depth study ...

 

[420GodsTrichome]

also, dont add the fish emulsion late in flower, use the mix without, and substitue orange juice , preferably fresh squeezed, about 6 oz to a gallon tea........OJ can be left out, but using stinky fish will linger in your buds

 

[Goldengoose7]

Great research, GG7! +Reps!

I didn't think you'd have much luck finding the ingredients. A lot of fertilizer companies don't put their ingredients labels on the bottles because of the costs of adhering to federal regulations (if you're interested, there's a video in my journal that discusses this I can point you to!).

Did you find any info about Triacontanol assisting in the color change?

I'm asking because I believe the difference between SSU and Purple Maxx IS the ingredient that aids in turning blue strains blue. I'm not sure if it's Triacontanol or not, but either way, that tea sounds like a great formula and I may try it on my outdoor garden!

Thanks again Mr. Krip! Appreciate the reps too! I can easily afford the bottle of Purple Maxx, but it is just the idea of buying something that likely has a 3000% markup that bothers me.

Video?

Absolutely! I would love a link to the video you mentioned.

I haven't seen any mention of the effects of Triacontanol on color change when sprayed on leaves per se, but as I mentioned, this tea is widely used by the Rose growers of the world for brighter colors, more blooms etc. It would make sense that if you had a strain of cannabis with the purple phenotype, this stuff would probably amplify the effects in much the same way everyone claims it does for roses and other colorful flower species.

While we now KNOW what the magic ingredient to all those expensive bottles is, we still don't know the ratio. Hmmmm...

Is there any mention of percentages on the bottle you have? Just curious since that might give us a clue. I am pretty sure that an individual could buy pure Triacontanol, but most likely, it is a wholesale/volume purchased item and not something easily obtained in smaller quantities.

How long does the Purple Maxx take to do something? I am kind of running out of time, so I might have to just bite the bullet and get some of that for now, and regret it later when we discover that the Alfalfa Tea kicks its ASS for about .75 cents for an 8 oz bottle! LOL!

Looking forward to the video link.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Mr. Krip]

sorry, it's an article, not a video. But, it's well worth the read, especially for guys like us who like to understand this stuff! It's written by the President of AN and here it is:

Why States Aren’t Telling You the Truth About Your Hydroponics Nutrients

 

[Goldengoose7]

This is also why these solutions seem carbonated, the reaction...alfalfa and fish tea is legendary around here and ive mentioned there use before, great breakdown GG7!!!!

No problemo! I'm a real Ferrit when it comes to stuff like this!

Thanks for jumping in GT! You must have posted as I was replying to Mr.Krip cause I didn't see your posts till I submitted my last reply!

Maybe you can answer our question then... Does the A Tea when sprayed on a purple phenotype cause it to change color? While I am still interested in the tea for overall plant health, I am even more interested in something that can help my GDP plants do their costume change even when they don't get the cool Medocino-like night air!

 

[Goldengoose7]

sorry, it's an article, not a video. But, it's well worth the read, especially for guys like us who like to understand this stuff! It's written by the President of AN and here it is:

Why States Aren't Telling You the Truth About Your Hydroponics Nutrients

Thats OK... I am happy to read it!

Thanks for the link! Looks like GT has a good deal of previous experience with the Tea form of this chemical. I have asked him about the color change properties when the tea is sprayed on something like GDP.

 

[Mr. Krip]

BTW...I use SSU and not Purple Maxx b/c I haven't been growing purple strains, but here's what's available on the label of SSU:

Guaranteed Analysis: 0-0-3
Soluble Potash (K2O): 3%

Derived from: Potassium Hydroxide

Other than that, it only states that information on the content and levels of metals in the product are available at: State Internet Sites for Trace Metal Analysis of Fertilizer Products Registered in Those States

 

[Goldengoose7]

BTW...I use SSU and not Purple Maxx b/c I haven't been growing purple strains, but here's what's available on the label of SSU:

Guaranteed Analysis: 0-0-3
Soluble Potash (K2O): 3%

Derived from: Potassium Hydroxide

Other than that, it only states that information on the content and levels of metals in the product are available at: State Internet Sites for Trace Metal Analysis of Fertilizer Products Registered in Those States

That would tend to point to Triacontanol as the likely active ingredient in the Purple Maxx product since Triacontanol and Potassium Hydroxide have no relation chemically.

Now the only question is HOW MUCH is mixed with water?

Wish someone had a lab handy to run a sample of that stuff through a gas chromatograph/mass spectrometer! THEN we would know what was in there and how much of it!

10 years ago, I could have done it myself! (University Lab)

 

[Mr. Krip]

You're the dude with the fancy microscope. Surely, you MUST have a gas chromatograph or mass spectrometer sitting around there somewhere! Don't tell me the mass spectrometer is in the shop again!

 

[KingGanja]

Sounds like a plan... Can't wait to see the colors on her buds and see purple in more of the trichomes. One more thing, you get into making hash or do you dispose of the leaves?

 

[Goldengoose7]

You're the dude with the fancy microscope. Surely, you MUST have a gas chromatograph or mass spectrometer sitting around there somewhere! Don't tell me the mass spectrometer is in the shop again!

"What! What do you mean it won't be ready until next month! I need this analysis NOW!!"

Seriously... I'm not a Chemist, but I was very good friends with someone who worked in the Pharmacology Dept. and they had access to all that cool stuff!

 

[Goldengoose7]

Sounds like a plan... Can't wait to see the colors on her buds and see purple in more of the trichomes. One more thing, you get into making hash or do you dispose of the leaves?

Cool!

No... I have not ever made Hash. I compost all my Cannabis trimmings most of the time. Don't like the idea of putting them in the regular garbage can.

However... Mr. Krip is our resident Hash expert! You should check out his grow journal! He has a lot of good info about making it in there!

 

[KingGanja]

Although I have a pretty good idea on making it, imho I think its a waste of time. Was just wondering if you made it yourself. But I will check his journal as well, thnx muh man ;-)

 

[Mr. Krip]

Cool!

No... I have not ever made Hash. I compost all my Cannabis trimmings most of the time. Don't like the idea of putting them in the regular garbage can.

However... Mr. Krip is our resident Hash expert! You should check out his grow journal! He has a lot of good info about making it in there!

Thanks for the honorary title!

Don't tell me you compost all your sugar leaves!

I wish I was close enough to help you with those!

If you're not gonna make hash, you should save them for cannabutter, or some other extraction.

I think I might try some honey oil soon, since that's one extraction method I've never tried and I hear the "earwax" is supposed to be incredible!

I never want to toss trimmings in the trash either and I live in a suburban community where I can't have an outdoor compost pile.

So, when I got into growing, I also got into "Bokashi Composting" which is a method of composting in an airtight container using probiotic organisms, so it can be done indoors with no foul odors.

The process basically "pickles" the compost - it doesn't rot. So, you can compost just about anything organic including meats, cheeses, bones, etc. and it doesn't "rot".

Once it "pickles" in the container for a couple of weeks, you bury the compost and it completely breaks down in another couple of weeks.

In addition to the compost, which I just bury in my outdoor garden, the process leaches this highly nutrient-rich tea that can be used as a fertilizer (it's also beneficial to plumbing & sceptic systems!).

So, I throw all my NON trich-covered trimmings into the Bokashi bucket, and then get to re-use all those nutes I've pumped them full of as garden fertilizer in the form of either the tea or the compost!

 

[Twelve12]

Awesome trich shots. We don't see a lot of those kind of shots now that we have a digital microscope it's a must have along with the growing equipments. Lovely setup you got there. That's one serious microscope! I'm having my eye on the Veho VMS-004D - 400x USB Microscope currently at $59.99 with free shipping. Need to get more grow substrate before obtaining this new toy. Next pay check for sure! Then, I'll be joining you posting Trich porn!

I'm starting to use up all the additives and say no more to them. Currently using Snow Storm Ultra and don't see any snow. Same thing with Superthive. Going to keep it simple from now on.

 

[Goldengoose7]

Awesome trich shots. We don't see a lot of those kind of shots now that we have a digital microscope it's a must have along with the growing equipments. Lovely setup you got there. That's one serious microscope! I'm having my eye on the Veho VMS-004D - 400x USB Microscope currently at $59.99 with free shipping. Need to get more grow substrate before obtaining this new toy. Next pay check for sure! Then, I'll be joining you posting Trich porn!

Hey Twelve! Thanks!

Glad you are enjoying the Trich Porn!

GDP is certainly one gorgeous strain! It even manages to set itself apart from the pack under a microscope! I was stoked to see all that purple in the trichome stalks, and to see the numbers growing larger each time I check!

I posted the entire shoot on my GDP Start to Finish thread.

What is the resolution of the camera in that Veho scope? What is the minimum power the optics can provide? I am using 80x for those shots. (The digital camera alters the scope's power range slightly compared to the optical eyepieces it comes with that can go out to 45x. I can go above 500x with the camera attached but that is way too high for trichome checking. The optics, the power range and the camera resolution is really what makes or breaks a great trichome microscope. I tried a few of the units in that price range (Not that one) and the quality just wasn't there. Nothing close to what you are seeing from the Celestron.

Another important consideration is that having a MOVEABLE light source for your specimen is HUGE. Most of the portable scopes have a ring of LEDs around the lens, which works OK, but with Trichomes, you often need to backlight them as well as front light them, or shift the angle of the light source to get a better view through the material. Can't do anything like that with those self contained USB scopes.

Make sure you have a free return policy where you buy that, cause you may end up wanting to send it back. I bought three different models from two well known companies and returned all of them before I realized that I needed a REAL microscope if I wanted to get any serious high resolution images of my sample specimens.

Basically to go beyond the 10x Loupe and be able to take some serious high resolution images of my plant's most valuable commodity for posterity as well as harvest estimations.

My Celestron was $125.00 and the camera was $50.00 shipped from Amazon.com. It really was light years better than anything in the under $100.00 range. Well... just look at the pictures it takes!

I'm starting to use up all the additives and say no more to them. Currently using Snow Storm Ultra and don't see any snow. Same thing with Superthive. Going to keep it simple from now on.

I'm pretty much with you on that whole "back to basics" approach lately!

As you know by now, I have been growing stuff forever. And in all that time, I have never been too aggressive with adding stuff to my waterings. A feeding of Miracle Grow Tomato on our Tomatoes once or twice a month, a few batches of Molasses water a week before our harvest is about all our ACE and Early Girl Cherries ever get and they taste fantastic year after year.

Same with the Jalapenos, the Bush Beans, Egg Plant, Cucumbers, Squash etc. I'm starting to question the real value of many of these specialty formulas that promise all these magic results. Like Mr. Krip pointed out in his link to that great article... We don't even know what the hell is in half this stuff we are spending all this serious cash for!

A lot of it is probably nothing but Snake Oil, but who's to know for sure if it made a difference unless you set up a double blind test? If you spend $50.00 on a bottle of something, you sure as heck want it to do something, and the whole placebo effect comes into play.

I think at this point, I am going to just let the GDP do what they are going to do naturally. If none of them turn purple because of the higher overnight lows, then I might consider buying a bottle of that Purple Maxx and trying it on one of my brand new GDP clones when the time comes to flower them.

 

[Goldengoose7]

Thanks for the honorary title!

Don't tell me you compost all your sugar leaves!

I wish I was close enough to help you with those!

If you're not gonna make hash, you should save them for cannabutter, or some other extraction.

I think I might try some honey oil soon, since that's one extraction method I've never tried and I hear the "earwax" is supposed to be incredible!

I never want to toss trimmings in the trash either and I live in a suburban community where I can't have an outdoor compost pile.

So, when I got into growing, I also got into "Bokashi Composting" which is a method of composting in an airtight container using probiotic organisms, so it can be done indoors with no foul odors.

The process basically "pickles" the compost - it doesn't rot. So, you can compost just about anything organic including meats, cheeses, bones, etc. and it doesn't "rot".

Once it "pickles" in the container for a couple of weeks, you bury the compost and it completely breaks down in another couple of weeks.

In addition to the compost, which I just bury in my outdoor garden, the process leaches this highly nutrient-rich tea that can be used as a fertilizer (it's also beneficial to plumbing & sceptic systems!).

So, I throw all my NON trich-covered trimmings into the Bokashi bucket, and then get to re-use all those nutes I've pumped them full of as garden fertilizer in the form of either the tea or the compost!

Wow! Cool! I like that idea if pickling the stuff instead of just letting it decompose and STINK UP the place!

I know I should probably make better use of the "Sugar Leaves", but I'm just growing all this for myself. The bud alone is usually more than enough to keep my supply topped off all winter. Now that I have gotten hold of some of the higher end strains instead of the unknown bag weed I use to grow back there in the summer, the yields and potency is through the roof so I actually I have even less incentive to do anything with those leaves.

It is too bad you are not closer. I would definitely hand them off to you if that were possible. The leaves only make up a "tiny" portion of the total yard waste we compost during the year, so it wouldn't be missed, I can tell you that.

Thanks again for all your input and great insight! I love having you and all the other regulars chiming in on here! It really adds to the value of this journal and a few years from now, this thread can still be providing good info to new growers who perhaps stumble on it for the first time.

 

[MSquared]

GG7 that was really some great info on the alfalfa tea. I kinda did that on my first grow without realizing the effects it had on cannabis. A long time grower friend gave me a bunch. I dissovled it in water and did a feeding to my conf cheese plants.
I had forgotten I did that it was so long ago.
Again Thanks!!! Its information like that keeps us coming back!