Harley001
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Flower I feel for you for the most part your girls look like the new growth is still healthy some lower leaf yellowing and falling off is to be expected. keep on doin what you been doing.
Flower Child's First Grow: Seeds- Soil- MH-HPS Sun- 2013
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jlt1202
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Flower I feel for you for the most part your girls look like the new growth is still healthy some lower leaf yellowing and falling off is to be expected. keep on doin what you been doing.
^yep be carfull not to try to treat the leaves that the plant is killing, try to focus on the fan leave next to buds or in them, thos are your key indicators of micro def and larger for your macro, your doing great bringing them hback tho man!
NOW I Think your on to something!
FECK!! Flower Child I think I may have steered you WRONG! it sure does look to be a potassium deficency. I'm so sorry if I have harmed your girls in anyway
FECK!! Flower Child I think I may have steered you WRONG! it sure does look to be a potassium deficency. I'm so sorry if I have harmed your girls in anyway
FlowerChild, take this for what is worth.
Just a noob, with barely any hands on experience.Im no expert, just sharing what happend recently to me. After I flushed my girls for the first time, in a few days I got serious yellow leaves. Then came spots. Someone suggested it may be K overload. So I flushed again. It got worse. Leaves started dropping and I could just touch them and they would fall. I went back to feeding ff TB and the spots stopped. The older already damaged leaves eventually crisped up but no new spots or damage. Although it was moving rapidly towars the buds, they are ok.
I believe my problem was alot of roots in not alot of pot so when I flushed, they were starving. The spots I believe were micro def, and ff tb has some micro's in it is why the spots stopped. I think I grossley underestimated how much K my girl needed for flower. I was given 1/2 strength dose 2-3 times a week. When I stopped, the problem arose.
But there were also other major problem in my grow. Super low Ph feeding at least once could have been a culprit to my grow as well.
I have literally been waiting to hear you post that they are better for 2 days but I kinda had a feeling i you might not. I wanted to chime in but I have two crappy looking little plants I barely kept alive and so my character witness is basically a hooker... 
All I can say, is from a noob hack that reads alot better than he grows, I think more nutes is what you need.
PS please some of the better growers help with this.
If I am wrong please advice her correctly and definatly scold me. 
I feel bad for siting on my hands for 2 days...
Just a noob, with barely any hands on experience.Im no expert, just sharing what happend recently to me. After I flushed my girls for the first time, in a few days I got serious yellow leaves. Then came spots. Someone suggested it may be K overload. So I flushed again. It got worse. Leaves started dropping and I could just touch them and they would fall. I went back to feeding ff TB and the spots stopped. The older already damaged leaves eventually crisped up but no new spots or damage. Although it was moving rapidly towars the buds, they are ok.
I believe my problem was alot of roots in not alot of pot so when I flushed, they were starving. The spots I believe were micro def, and ff tb has some micro's in it is why the spots stopped. I think I grossley underestimated how much K my girl needed for flower. I was given 1/2 strength dose 2-3 times a week. When I stopped, the problem arose.
But there were also other major problem in my grow. Super low Ph feeding at least once could have been a culprit to my grow as well.
I have literally been waiting to hear you post that they are better for 2 days
but I kinda had a feeling i you might not. I wanted to chime in but I have two crappy looking little plants I barely kept alive and so my character witness is basically a hooker... All I can say, is from a noob hack that reads alot better than he grows, I think more nutes is what you need.
PS please some of the better growers help with this.
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Flower Child
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Hey Mcloadie.
You just brought up an interesting point about the roots. My girls are in 3 gallon airpots -thats a lot less soil than yours have. I can only imagine how crowded they are and that certainly can't be helping. I am using organic nutes with these plants and since it is supposed to be more forgiving I will definitely be sticking with organic.Yea I do hope its just nute depletion Ricorico. And I keep forgetting that the girls don't have to look pretty for this stage of their lives!I agree with Mc, Flo.
I think you are worrying too much.
Keep watching, but the plants are essentially dying and using up anything they need to make babies (seeds)
Every plant is an individual and will use up different nutes as she forces out the flowers in a desperate bid to get laid.
I hope it's just that, but I suppose you do too
Thanks Harley- Appreciate the encouragement!Flower I feel for you for the most part your girls look like the new growth is still healthy some lower leaf yellowing and falling off is to be expected. keep on doin what you been doing.
Thanks jlt1202!
No worries and no appology necessary fish cake! I'm discovering growing these plants is just like raising a child- everything is trial and error and no 2 are alike! I have a book but it leaves out a lot of the details us newcomers need. I have learned sooooooo much from you and all the others here, that regardless of the harvest, it will still have been worth it just in knowledge gained. You have no idea how much I appreciate all the help.NOW I Think your on to something!
FECK!! Flower Child I think I may have steered you WRONG! it sure does look to be a potassium deficency. I'm so sorry if I have harmed your girls in anyway
The light just came on, they look no worse and their buds are still looking good so they may surprise us all.
OMG Spimp I bet you're right- i'm a bad mommy- they are starving.FlowerChild, take this for what is worth.
Just a noob, with barely any hands on experience.Im no expert, just sharing what happend recently to me. After I flushed my girls for the first time, in a few days I got serious yellow leaves. Then came spots. Someone suggested it may be K overload. So I flushed again. It got worse. Leaves started dropping and I could just touch them and they would fall. I went back to feeding ff TB and the spots stopped. The older already damaged leaves eventually crisped up but no new spots or damage. Although it was moving rapidly towars the buds, they are ok.
I believe my problem was alot of roots in not alot of pot so when I flushed, they were starving. The spots I believe were micro def, and ff tb has some micro's in it is why the spots stopped. I think I grossley underestimated how much K my girl needed for flower. I was given 1/2 strength dose 2-3 times a week. When I stopped, the problem arose.
But there were also other major problem in my grow. Super low Ph feeding at least once could have been a culprit to my grow as well.
I have literally been waiting to hear you post that they are better for 2 days
All I can say, is from a noob hack that reads alot better than he grows, I think more nutes is what you need.
PS please some of the better growers help with this.
A lot of the things you described could be my girls. I've never given them full strength nutes either and they are in relatively small pots compared to how big they got. Tomorrow is feeding day so I'm thinking that they will get a full dose of their 5-10-5 nutes and a full tbsp of molasses instead of the tsp they were getting. They still have 3-4 weeks to go so it would be great if they like their meal and start filling out some more! I'm starting to feel more optimistic already- just having a plan again. Thanks Spimp! Don't underestimate yourself- With a first grow under your belt, you learned a lot and got a quality smoke. I appreciate your efforts in helping me.
Happy Friedday young lady
Good weed FC, I wanted to cut back on the calmag this run and see if I could change the flavor of a strain I'm running. All kinds of problems!, you do understand I'm sure that rarely adding what is deficient will cure a deficiency, with the high quality soils and nutrients on the market, combined with a growers diligent efforts to "stack" the soil, or in other words to make sure everything required is IN the soil early on in the process it is unlikely that any addition of MORE than would be normally applied will help. What I'm trying to do is carry on as usual....and work on why the plant can't get what makes it uber healthy. Oh, and by the way, I have two plants that are perfectly healthy....not a blemish, which is frustrating in itself. I gave a hot dose of calmag initially, and I'll be adding it with every application til I flush. I only have two more apps of bloom nutrients, and I'll give teas around those applications, I'm watching your plants closely.
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Flower Child
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Hey there fish cake- Happy Friedday to you too!Happy Friedday young lady
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Flower Child
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Hi Mcloadie. I'm hoping that my girls are only really hungry. I'v never fed them more than 1/2 to 3/4 strength food because I didn't want to burn them. Now I wish that I'd forced more on them. And I was stingey on the molasses for the mycos. too because I was leary of attracting fungus gnats. I really don't think they have the stores of energy available to them that they should have. Oh well, live and learn. My next grow I will be doing things a lot different starting with the soil. Light warrior and FFOF are polar opposites- one with nothing in it and the other too hot- I think a 50-50 mix from the start, with amendments like azomite, will be perfect.Good weed FC, I wanted to cut back on the calmag this run and see if I could change the flavor of a strain I'm running. All kinds of problems!, you do understand I'm sure that rarely adding what is deficient will cure a deficiency, with the high quality soils and nutrients on the market, combined with a growers diligent efforts to "stack" the soil, or in other words to make sure everything required is IN the soil early on in the process it is unlikely that any addition of MORE than would be normally applied will help. What I'm trying to do is carry on as usual....and work on why the plant can't get what makes it uber healthy. Oh, and by the way, I have two plants that are perfectly healthy....not a blemish, which is frustrating in itself. I gave a hot dose of calmag initially, and I'll be adding it with every application til I flush. I only have two more apps of bloom nutrients, and I'll give teas around those applications, I'm watching your plants closely.
Anyway have a "Good Friedday" and thanks for the concern- it sure is easier dealing with shit when you have support!
Harley001
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Good morning and good weed Flower I hope your girls are doin better today
Hi Mcloadie. I'm hoping that my girls are only really hungry. I'v never fed them more than 1/2 to 3/4 strength food because I didn't want to burn them. Now I wish that I'd forced more on them. And I was stingey on the molasses for the mycos. too because I was leary of attracting fungus gnats. I really don't think they have the stores of energy available to them that they should have. Oh well, live and learn. My next grow I will be doing things a lot different starting with the soil. Light warrior and FFOF are polar opposites- one with nothing in it and the other too hot- I think a 50-50 mix from the start, with amendments like azomite, will be perfect.
Anyway have a "Good Friedday" and thanks for the concern- it sure is easier dealing with shit when you have support!
Yeah, funny, unless someone is loaded with patience, and willing to expend a tremendous amount of energy....mostly mental...I wouldn't recommend that they attempt to grow weed........they say: "it's just a weed", and it is sorta, and it will grow like one outdoors., but when you start trying to create an environment it changes everything! The only way I figure out how much to feed is to overdo it and burn the plants slightly, with non organic nutes that's not such a problem, but when organics come into the picture and by the time you see burn you've already applied another burning dose, and the organics release for longer and slower.....well, problems seem to multiply. What I decided was that to get a handle on the organics it was going to take some time...with selected strains.....just to decide what could actually be done. I will still stand by my opinion that the best weed I ever grew was organic.
I'll tell you one thing Flower Child.....You learn very fast! Your plan for the next grow is great! 
Happy Sativaday Young Lady
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Flower Child
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Yea I went organic with this grow because we already had an organic veggie garden outdoors that always does well. I assumed indoor gardening would be easy too. I was sooooooo wrong!!!
On the plus side, a few days ago I picked a few tiny buds that got no light and decided to smoke them last nite. More of a cerebral high- grassy taste- but not bad for several weeks early. But the main thing that impressed me was there was no harshness at all which I really expected since there'd been no flush and there was quite a bit of leaf with them. I'm guessing the credit for that goes to their organic nutes.
How are the girls doing ma'am? Im hoping no more new spots?
Congrats on the first taste.
Congrats on the first taste.
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Flower Child
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I'll tell you one thing Flower Child.....You learn very fast! Your plan for the next grow is great!
Thanks OMM. I have my strains picked out too. Going to be Blue Moonshine (fishcakes recomendation) and I'm going to give THC Bomb another try now that I have her halfway figured out.
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Flower Child
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Happy Sativaday Young Lady
And Happy Sativaday to you fish cake! We had a hailstorm hit last nite and the outdoor veggie garden and my flower planters took quite a beating.
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Flower Child
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Thanks Spimp! I was pretty psyched to get high from it.How are the girls doing ma'am? Im hoping no more new spots?
Congrats on the first taste.
Oh and I fed the girls last nite. It was a full strength dose feeding of nutes. molasses and cal-mag. I just checked them a bit ago when I turned the lites off. There's no new spots and they look a bit greener and happier.
I think your idea about them starving is right. Also they only dropped 2 more leaves which is encouraging too. Hopefully their latest episode is over and they will resume fattening those buds up again. Their tricomes are all still clear but they are visibly coating the upper leaves on all but 1 plant. She is perpetually clawed and has tiny buds that have no stickiness or smell whatsoever. I'm really beginning to think she is potbound.My phone battery ran down so I can't post new pics this morning but I'm definitely feeling optimistic about the 8 that look better.
KushMeister
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... We had a hailstorm hit last nite and the outdoor veggie garden and my flower planters took quite a beating.
Sorry about the hail damage FC! My wife's outdoor garden fared OK in last night's hail storm. Only a few cut up leaves.
I only read the first page and past few pages of your journal. I hope you have your issues under control.
I notice you're growing organic but I didn't notice any mention of compost teas or worm castings. I just finished a successful organic grow and nearly all feeding and watering was done with a compost tea application. My tea recipe was super simple too and could work for your plants, IMHO.
To one gallon of water I added 3/4 cup of FFOF soil, 1/4 - 1/2 cup worm castings, 1 tbsp of molasses and a dash of 3-3-2 liquid fish and kelp or a pinch of 0-12-2 bat guano. The soil and worm castings were loose, not in a bag or sock as some people here like to do. I bubbled the tea for 24 - 36 hours and then watered with it. After watering, I scooped out the wet soil and casting and topped dressed the pot with it. Other than one application of bat guano, about 1/4 tsp per pot in the third week of flower, that was all I fed my plants. I did get yellowing lower fan leaves, but the bud leaves and buds were super healthy with no spotting of any leaves.
The FFOF soil is pretty hot so that was the main nutrient source, but the worm castings are super important for supplying vital micro nutrients.
Anyway, that's my $.02. Sorry if you've covered any of this already.
P.S. +Reps!
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Flower Child
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Thanks for stopping by KushMeister. I'm hoping it's still early enough in the season that the veggie garden can recover.
For feeding I took what I thought was the easy route (because this was my first time growing weed) and only used Age Old Organics and molasses. But then I had all sorts of strange problems with the girls. I'm trying to keep it simple and that tea sounds like something I'd like to try. I've printed your recipe so I can try it on my next grow. Do you feed it to them with every watering?
Oh and reps to you too!
For feeding I took what I thought was the easy route (because this was my first time growing weed) and only used Age Old Organics and molasses. But then I had all sorts of strange problems with the girls. I'm trying to keep it simple and that tea sounds like something I'd like to try. I've printed your recipe so I can try it on my next grow. Do you feed it to them with every watering?
Oh and reps to you too!