First CFL Grow Using 30 Watt CFLs

would the light of caused the burn then due to it been wet---yes, most definately. little water droplets can act as magnifying glasses with even a flourescent. On leaves the occassional discoloration isn't that big a deal usually. But the flowers are a tad more sensitive. Just don't spray the buds, no biggy.

I'm perty sure (or as sure as an idiot on the other side of the ocean can be at least) that's what it was. Also, misting increases humidity and in flowering that can cause mold or fungus probs within the buds. Jimm's right, cut that puppy out. No matter what it was, dead plant matter around is an invitation for problems...bugs, mildew, mold, whatnot.
 
sounds like a plan then, ill give it the chop when the lights are on in the morning, if it was going to get better it would of done by now,
should i just chop the top bud off or should i be a bit ruthless and chop the stem right back to below the 2nd damaged site,
 
i also got some decent compost from them shops as well, my garden center was selling them at nearly £10 per bag, but the exact same bag in my pound shop was selling them at a quid each so i stocked up on them, i not saw the tents in their yet but i know the stock changes that quick due to most of it been bankrupt stock. ive never used foil as even back 10 years ago it was a big no no to use foil to reflect stuff, so never used it myself, before i put the mylar up it was white painted walls but got the mylar cheap off the big rainforest sounding site for next to nothing so used them ever since.

where do you all stand on pollenation, how early does it need to be done to a female flower to get seeds, im thinking this, where the hermie is the sacs are getting big now so wont belong before im getting some pollen, but would it be to late to pollenate 1 bud on one of my plants, i loved the way the hermie plant grew and it was a monster in the end so was gutted when it went hermie, so im thinking now if i get pollen in the next few days is it to late to put on a bud site.

this would be my method,
1 go and collect pollen and store in a film case the type the old camera films came in,
2, remove a female from the flower room, place a bag over the plant and make sure i have only got 1 bud outside the bag, id make sure the bag wasnt touching the rest of the plant using garden canes,
2 making sure the rest of the plant was protected i would then dampen a q tip or cotton bud depending what part of the world your in and let it dry to its very nearly dry,
3 gently open the film box lid just enough to get the cotton bud in, while holding my breath and the dogs so as not to make any air movement near the pollen
4 remove q tip and gently rub the pollen on the single bud site that is outside the plastic bag, the bag will be secure round the soil so nothing can get in at soil level,
5 after pollenation leave it for say and hour, then give the bud site a gently spray with water, just a very light mist to dampen the pollen, im told its best to wait an hour as pollen is not viable when wet so let it work its magic for 1 hour before spraying, then give fine mist and take back to flower room when its dried off slightly, then get damp cloth and wipe over the plastic bag near the bud site making sure the whole bag has been wiped to remove any possible chance of pollen been on it, but i think the q tip been slightly damo would prevent it spreading.
6 then take the bag off and place back in flower room,

now is that something i can do at this stage or should i not tempt fate and try and store the pollen until the clones are up and running, i mean id hate to polenate the whole room but if im careful and take precautions then would i be ok, im just thinking if i take the pollen from the bigbud#2 hermie the plant that grew like crazy and cross it with the northern lights cross big bud femenised, then it should give me some great results shouldnt it, or should i risk the pollen going bad while i grow out the clones

let me know what you think and if the risk is worth it.

ill cut the bad bud site off tomorrow, ill cut the stem back to where it is good and i know their is no sign of damage, i dont think it would survive as a clone but if its infected or got a bug then its best i remove it from the grow all together, thanks for all the input on this bad bud site, i really appreciate it,

ill chop it in morning as i dont think it will improve cuz if it was it would of started by now, plus if i remove the branch to where its good it should promote the growth else where as the branch with the bad bud seems to want to grow bigger than other branches as their are 3 or 4 bud sites that seem to want to grow quicker than the rest
 
Not sure mate, when I pollenate plants I get a small paint bush, go to my male, put brush under sacs and give it a flick, take brush to female and paint the bud you want to seed. I do get a few seeds in other buds sometimes (maybe6-7 over a whole plant) but any way you do it with fans and such your never 100% pollen is made to spread and buds to catch it lol. The way I do it I normally get 50-200 seeds from using the brush once depending how much I paint.

The hardest part is getting the timing right, too early you wont get enough seeds, too late and there all immature. I want untill the plants are just starting to look like bud more then just hair and are starting to get sticky if you know what i mean.
 
im thinking if i covered the plant and just left one branch out with a couple of buds on it and got pollen on them, surely this would prevent it spreading if i left it an hour then gave it a gentle spray so nothing could come off the bud with pollen on it
 
The only way to be sure is to pollinate the plant and flower it outside your main flowering area. no matter how careful you are, just breathing will spread it around the room. If you want seed it's best to do it well away from your main crop.

Your best using the cotton bud and just touching some pollen and touching it into a bud, then hope you don't get much spread. a little pollen goes a long way. if you cover the plant and drop pollen on the cover when you lift it it will go everywhere.

The pollen reminds me of preschool powdered paint, the stuff just gets everywhere, remember to wash your clothes/shoes/self after.
 
now that sounds like a better idea, but when i open the bag id get pollen everywhere unless i open the bag and mist it to wet any pollen floating around in the bag, as long as i leave it for an hour before wetting then that should be enough to polenate the bud from what i have read then spraying the area with water makes any pollen not viable so that should stop it spreading to rest of the plant.

my auto that went into flower has put on some small growth but not very much, the hairs are getting really long and im sure i can see the buds forming at the base of the hairs, so ill see how it goes and when the hermie produces pollen and might put pollen on the auto and get some auto fem seeds,

but im really not to sure yet what i want to do,
 
I've never grown auto (till I got some free) and to be honest I'm not impressed. My chocolate haze I made is showing full flower yet they two autos I have growing look like shit, no preflowers and looking very bushy/twisty. Both are ment to be 8week from seed but I have real doubt it will be ready by then or even in flower.

I'm not sure how well wetting pollen with be in stopping spread, surely once it drys it'll just spread. They found viable cannabis pollen from 420AD in kent. lol
 
crikey sounds like it could get everywhere then, my first auto that is in flower took about 8 weeks to grow and its very stunted, its probably only 2 inches high and its shown sex and starting to bud so im not expecting loads off it if anything at all, now the other auto i got is growing like a normal seed and is now growing the proper leaves, how ever the leaves seem a bit funny and mis shaped, well the first leaves do but ill know more when the next set grow out if its ok or not, it looks to me like its not a stable strain yet.

my first auto broke the soil and grew at soil level with no stem at all, then it grew 4 sets of leaves right on top of each other so each leaf was just slightly higher than the leaf below it, but since its gone into flower it has got slightly taller, i say slightly but its by an inch at the most, also with autos, they say they flower under any light schedule, but ive heard different and they wont flower under 24-0, they need to be grown under 20-4 to get the best from the plant, but ive read many journals where they wont flower until te lights are switched to 12-12, so some autos are clearly not stable and true autos, but mine are autos, well the 1 is and it showed sex under 20-4 so it must be auto to flower under that lighting schedule, im hoping it gets bigger because i doubt ill get even 1gramme off it as it is
 
donpaul.p said:
now that sounds like a better idea, but when i open the bag id get pollen everywhere unless i open the bag and mist it to wet any pollen floating around in the bag, as long as i leave it for an hour before wetting then that should be enough to polenate the bud from what i have read then spraying the area with water makes any pollen not viable so that should stop it spreading to rest of the plant.

my auto that went into flower has put on some small growth but not very much, the hairs are getting really long and im sure i can see the buds forming at the base of the hairs, so ill see how it goes and when the hermie produces pollen and might put pollen on the auto and get some auto fem seeds,

but im really not to sure yet what i want to do,
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My auto is about the right height but it will be a single cola and just doesn't seem to be bulking out much, all the leafs look odd too much like N burn, Clawed sort of (very wrinkled) and dark leaves but the pics Ive seen of cured bud look really dark too. I'm just gonna let her run and see if it bulks up, It doesn't smell very nice either no fruit/skunk smell just like a green nettle patch.
 
Good job with the plants donpaul, they're looking great, really nice and bushy! Can't wait to see what they look like in a month!

donpaul.p said:
so you think it might be that the bud has got to much water on it, i have been misting all over at this stage and was going to back off when the buds started forming more, so it could be that the misting has caused that bud to go like that, i see what you mean it looks like its dripped down onto the other bud and leaf, would the light of caused the burn then due to it been wet, i dont think i mist them loads but i could of, its the only liquid i have near the leaf and buds, its all been standing to remove chlorine and at room temp, but its the only liquid that goes near the tops of the plants, when i water with nutes i make sure i get all the leaves and stuff out the way so only the soil gets watered, so ive not got nothing to worry about then really, apart from misting, does misting improve the plants or not, i started doing it from day 1 and mist every couple of days, i dont spray them so its dripping wet just so all the leaves have got a light spray of water on them,
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Yeah definitely stop misting your plants, especially the ones in flower. If you want to mist the plants down you have to do it when the lights are going to turn off or a while before they turn on. If you want to raise the humidity then you have to get a humidifier. I never really sprayed my plants down other than when the temps got up real high and I wanted to try and alleviate any heat stress that they might get. The light intensifies on the water droplets and can cause problems.

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what my problem is though is that the 2ltr hempies are meant to be a singe cola and stem but this is now growing 4 tops, so am i better of putting this in a bigger pot and vegging it out until its a big monster hoping its a female or shall i leave it in the 2ltr hempie under 12-12 and see what happens to it, then i could compare it to the other 2ltr hempie and see which produces the most if they are both female,
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I would leave it in the 2L. What your doing is now really a hempie. If you've placed an air stone in to the reservoir it's just a mini DWC in a 2L bottle instead of a 5 gallon bucket. The roots will have plenty of room in the 2L especially 12/12 from seed, and you wouldn't want to reveg it anyways. Four tops is no problem at all, instead of maybe one huge cola you'll get four nice ones. They still could get rather large to, just got to wait and see.
 
@ teSmp, good to hear from you mate, ill leave it then and see how how much i get off the 4 tops, so ill leave it, ive not got air stone in yet mate as the roots are just starting to dip in the goodness so ill put one in now and it should splash the water upto the roots and give them a drink, plus the air will help when the roots are in the bottle anyway wont it, ill get that sorted tomorrow.

i misted the plants from day one, i dont do it to keep humidity up as thats always constant at around 40 so i think ill be ok, i just thought the plants would benefit from it, but if it wont make any difference then i wont do it, i done it if the leaves started to look dusty and stuff like that, i can do it every so often then once the lights are going off and wont do it when their coming on or on, ill bare that in mine when my other plants are in bud, i just got used to misting them from seeds and carried on,

im just uploading a pic of the smallest clone i have seen, im so amazed it survived and i transplanted it into its own pot about an hour ago and its got roots, im so shocked it lived, i know the others are ok but this one was tiny and its now got roots and growing new growth at the middle, i was gona chuck it out just but when i gently dug it out the soil i found roots so was even more careful not to break any and now its in its own pot, i had just stuck it in a pot with another thinking they would both die due to size, but they both lived, shocking, ill post a pic in my next comment,

@jimm14, both my autos have weird shaped leaves, the one even has to fan leaves that have four fingers instead of 3 or 5, it has to leaves either side of the stem of the leaf and it has a gap where the middle leaf should be but their is nothing their, looks very strange, the 2nd auto im growing is growing at the same speed as my other seeds so its all ready bigger than my 1st auto, but the leaves so far look like their 2 big for the stem their on, its as if the leaf has had to spiral itself on both sides of the plant to squash on the stem, but its only its 1st real leaf so maybe the next will be ok, but at least this 2nd auto is growing at the same rate as the others, so either its not an auto or its a more stable strain thats been bread and checked and verified its a viable plant before sale, either the 1st 1 was a dud seed or it wasnt a stable breed, wont know till it finishes flower but it is in flower, the pistils on it are twice as long as the pistils on my none auto plant, looks kind of weird been the size they are, seem way to big for the plant, but only time will tell.

ill check that link jamthe3, its just when i was on earlier i was at my moms with my kids so didnt get chance to check it, ill upload the pics of my clone and ill have a good read, thanks for the link, ill check it out shortly
 
possibly one of the worlds smallest clones, what you recon, plant of the month you recon
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now no laughing at my minature palm tree,
 
that was a tiny tip that i pulled off the plant by mistake when tying the branches out the way, i was so shocked to dig it out and find out it had roots, i was pulling it out to let the other grow into its own pot, so i dug down gently so as not to damage the roots on the other clone and then i came across roots on this one, so i grabbed another pot and filled with compost and gave it all a good spray then put this clone in the pot, it had no cover over this clone, it was just sitting on its own minding its own business with no cover to keep moisture in, i never sprayed it as it was out the way at the back of the pot, i just sprayed the soil to water the other and when i moved the pot out to take it out i found it had roots and is growing, totally amazing at how these plants survive and come back from nothing, im not even sure i used rooting gel on it as i never though it would live
 
wow that was like michael jackson holding his baby over the balcony LOL please say shes alright. bonsia dannielson
 
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