First CFL Grow Using 30 Watt CFLs

Hi donpaul, sorry I haven't been in lately I will catch up on your journal tonight. I hope you don't mind me jumping in here and asking some of your followers and you a question and requesting some help. I have what I am all most positive is a male and would like to get everyones take just so I know for sure. Please look at the following pics and let me know. Day 10 Flowering Pot Drying Day 4 - 420 Magazine Photo Gallery My journal can be found here: My First Grow - White Widow and Unknown From South Florida
 
no probs mate, feel free and ask away im sure someone will jump in and offer some advice and guidance, so its all good.

i was sitting here thinking about hermies ok, and wondered is it possible for a male to go hermie, so instead of killing them stress them and make them go hermie, it seems it can be done, not sure what the end result would be seed wise or even bud and trics wise, but i was searching round the net and found this info below its an experiment done with cannabis and it is about completely changing the sex from female to male, and from male to female, its a bit to technical for me so dont really understand it all, but take a look and see if it is possible to make a male go female and visa versa, also has anyone ever seen or made a male go hermie,

Streptovaricin-induced Sex Expression in Male and Female Plants of Cannabis sativa L. -- NIGAM et al. 47 (1): 169 -- Annals of Botany
 
yes you can hermie a male to have female flowers also, but people rarely let them grow out long enough to accomplish it. If you find a male and remove it to let it grow by itself in total darkness, odds are it will get stressed enough to produce female flowers; although, I can't imagine why you'd want to. You'd be surprised how long that puppy can last in darkness, no water, no nutes...nada. He'll get yellow as heck eventually and you'll probably see both flowers on him.
 
just a thought that was all, i know people get hermies with females and collect the pollen, so was wondering if it was the same for males, chances are though you wouldnt gain anything for the pollen off a male hermie for breeding purpose, also does a hermie plant produce trics as well for say hash making,
when you buy some bud with seeds in it dont mean its from a hermie it just means is been pollenated, but would a hermie plant produce anything smokable so would any of the bud ive been buying with seeds in it of come from a hermie plant, or would it be more likely from a female that got pollenated, im just thinking about my hermie at the minute, it started off female then showed male parts and its def a hermie, i will collect pollen and seeds from it and then cross the pollen with a fem to get some fem seeds and possibly and auto cross at some point due to the agressive growth of the big bud#2 strain, but does a hermie produce any trics or not,
 
Your swag most likely has hermied & female product in it. The seeds you get from the hermied plant yourself are probably best just tossed in the garbage. Hermied plants will pass on the tendency to hermie just like any other characteristics. Polinate a reg female with his/her pollen if you're trying to get fem seeds...I would imagine you'll have lesser chance of hermie offspring that way.

You can make hash from both the male & the hermie for what it's worth. Just keep in mind that what comes out corresponds with what goes in. I make good hash outa good trim. I make crappy hash/kief outa crappy trimmings & then make outstanding oil outa crappy hash.

To each his/her own & everyone's different...just like the various strains of pot, lol.

Cheers,
John
 
im just uploading some pics of todays just after i fed them their nutes, thanks ill check that link out in a bit, so im better off not keeping any seeds from the hermie and just collecting pollen the pollenate this with a female plant, then i should have the fem seeds im looking for, ill possibly cross a auto and a big bud#2 if i can get a female from one of the seeds, not sure how long pollen lasts for though so ill have to do some more reading, thanks for the info all, just uploading some pics
 
im just uploading some pics of todays just after i fed them their nutes, thanks ill check that link out in a bit, so im better off not keeping any seeds from the hermie and just collecting pollen the pollenate this with a female plant, then i should have the fem seeds im looking for, ill possibly cross a auto and a big bud#2 if i can get a female from one of the seeds, not sure how long pollen lasts for though so ill have to do some more reading, thanks for the info all,
 
you can keep the seeds if you want, just mark them so you know what they are. Smoke the dried buds of him/her and grab the seeds then. Grow one out to a mom or two & do a fast SOG, no maintenance, SWAG grow from a bunch of clones. Hell, if none hermie...won't even be swag.

:)
 
You're asking the same questions i've been asking...i got all different answers...in the ground i have 2 female Jock Horror plants growing...one hermied and pollinated the other one...both were in flowering mode and had millions of trics...both are now starting to re-veg...pics are in my journal...i don't think the light burnt your plant...:thumb:
 
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this is the bud im worried about, sorry its so blurry but its the best i can do, ill try more pics in the daytime without the flash and see if i can get a better picture, this is the damaged bud its the one at the end of the branch and if you look just below it you can see the small damage bud at the next node down, now the next node down has 2 buds one either side of the branch and only 1 side seems damaged i dont think its spreading but if you can see the pic take a look and see what you think it is
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Here is a decent picture of the damage, please tell me its nothing to worry about, could it be some sort of nute lock out of some kind, is it a concern or is it damage i have caused although i cant think of anything i could of possibly done to cause this, i have raised the light but this is one of the lower buds on the plant so surely the buds higher up would of been damaged, unless their is a hot spot somewhere im unaware of, ive swapped the plants around in the flower room to check if it happens to other buds on the other plant, the rest of the plant looks healthy and the other plants is healthy all over, just not sure what could of caused this
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in this picture you get a good view of the damaged bud but you can also see the buds near to it and they have no damage at all
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a full shot of special kush, the damaged bud is far right in the picture, i pulled some leaves that was low down and inside the plant, their was 2 leaves that was bright yellow, not burned just not getting any light, you can just about see it in the picture if you look close
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a healthy bud on the same plant, all buds are healthy apart from the one i showed in other pictures
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here is the northern lights cross big bud femenised, this plant has no signs of any ill health, it keeps looking better and better each day, more bud sites appear, any lower inner branches are now growing up the plant and pushing themselves to the top, id say their is no inner buds or lower buds now, the whole plant is even, a few sites have shot up taller than the rest of the plant so ill leave these as they should make main bud sites so bigger buds from these i thinks
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these buds below are starting to bulge so i think the buds are now forming below the mass of white hairs
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below is the special kush and as you can see the nl x bb is a lot bigger and has more buds, how ever when i switched to 12-12 the special kush was the bigger of the 2 and now it seems they have swapped
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now compare the picture below to where i was about the middle of march, to of them made it to my flower room and 1 went hermie and is now living its life in luxury at a different location so i can collect pollen and pollenate some fem plant, not planning on polenating a whole plant just a couple of buds to get some fem seeds and still get a decent smoke from the plant, would like to do an auto fem but need to see what yield im getting from autos before i start crossing an auto strain,
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my question is this, with a fem auto it has no male gene in it, so if i cross this with the pollen from the hermie i should get female auto seeds, but is their any chance it would lose its auto gene, or do you think if i crossed the auto with a standard fem it would weaken the auto gene and make it grow longer, so if i done that and got auto fem seeds and grew them out and pregnated them as well would this weaken the auto and make it grow longer before flowering,
 
hopefully with little stress they wont hermie so wouldnt be that bad, i wouldnt be planting them for a good few grows anyway got some much i want to try before then, just gota get this grow out the way and flower off the next veggin plants then im gone start again from scratch and veg under the dual spec hps and see what results i get compared to cfl, have a look at the pics at the damaged bud and let me know what you think it is

@miwa, checking your journal now mate
 
Looks like something wet was on it and dripped also to the bud below, hitting that leaf on the way. I know you said that couldn't be, but, that's exactly what it looks like. Maybe you misted it to hard. If you're misting or foiler feeding, don't do the buds in flower. Only the leaves or, better yet imho, not at all.

Oh, & I wasn't correcting you on that other thread. I hadn't even seen your post at that time. I had mentioned one of his/her plants looked like they needed a "tad" more nitrogen & thought that might be misinterpreted was all.

Cheers,
John
 
no probs mate, the more info he gets the better, i think the plants got over watered, i was just thinking he would be better off adding some nutes back in to get the colour back and health back before it goes hermie as i seen it happen on another grow, but its no probs at all mate, i prefer it if people correct anything miss information i might give, it saves people following something i think is right when it fact it may not be the answer. so no probs at all john,

so you think it might be that the bud has got to much water on it, i have been misting all over at this stage and was going to back off when the buds started forming more, so it could be that the misting has caused that bud to go like that, i see what you mean it looks like its dripped down onto the other bud and leaf, would the light of caused the burn then due to it been wet, i dont think i mist them loads but i could of, its the only liquid i have near the leaf and buds, its all been standing to remove chlorine and at room temp, but its the only liquid that goes near the tops of the plants, when i water with nutes i make sure i get all the leaves and stuff out the way so only the soil gets watered, so ive not got nothing to worry about then really, apart from misting, does misting improve the plants or not, i started doing it from day 1 and mist every couple of days, i dont spray them so its dripping wet just so all the leaves have got a light spray of water on them,

ill stop misting or at least stop misting where the buds are, thanks for that mate, hopefully that is the cause of the problem been as the plant looks totally healthy apart from that,

and correct me any time you like john, it really is not a problem, im here to learn more than i am to guide people as im in no way a top grower, this is my 1st grow in 9 years so ive got no experience and only going on info i have picked up along the way,
 
i would give ya reps john for the info but it says i gota spread some around before i give you another rep mark, but thanks for the info its put my mind at rest,
 
I think that even the stable auto strains can become photosensitive. Just like fem seeds can be male, genes can be turned on and off. you never ''weaken'' the gene it's just on or off.

The bud thing I would cut the bud off with a clean knife and inspect it under microscope or magnifier glass, If it's not burnt then chances are it's a infection (insect or biological) Could be you cut near it with a dirty tool or it could be a bug eating it inside out. Just keep a eye that it doesn't start to spread down the plant.

You can burn leafs/buds simple by leaving standing water on them or them touching something like your tent wall and building up condensation. Hot spots are rare unless your using substandard diy mylar or the reflector your using has dents/bends. cooking foils are really bad for mylar.

it can't be nutes with how good the whole plant looks, perfect green with a great start to flower.

good luck mate.
 
my only question would be is why am i only getting that problem with the 1 bud, and should i cut the branch off or leave it, but it shouldnt spread if that is the cause of the problem, ill stop misting the plants from now and see what happens, im not even sure why i started misting, i just think that plants need it like they do when it rains on them and the moisture in the dew in the morning, so i gave them a spray every 2 days or so just to keep them fresh and get the leaves some moisture, so if it wont harm the plant then ill stop misting.

now with my 2ltr hempies, the roots in both of these are growing out the bottom holes i poked in the top part of the hempie contraption, which im pleased with as it means they will soon be in the nutrient rich solution at the bottom of the bottle, how ever, thats ok for the 1 hempie but the other one has now got 4 tops to it after it got to close to the light when fitting the new light, as i mentioned before the top stem got fried and wilted so i topped it as it had died and also all the big leaves had wilted and curled up and died, so i pulled them all off leaving only the tiny shoots at the nodes that wasnt even proper leaves just small growth and the stem, so it looked like a stem with little green growth at the nodes and i didnt expect it to live, well it did and its recovered and growing well again, im thinking its a male though as it grew taller from day one, and now its recovered its growing tall again so thinking its possibly male, but all the ak47 cross plants are growing amazing and im really pleased with them so want to bud some off. what my problem is though is that the 2ltr hempies are meant to be a singe cola and stem but this is now growing 4 tops, so am i better of putting this in a bigger pot and vegging it out until its a big monster hoping its a female or shall i leave it in the 2ltr hempie under 12-12 and see what happens to it, then i could compare it to the other 2ltr hempie and see which produces the most if they are both female,
 
thanks jim14, i have not seen any signs of bugs on any of the plants, but i suppose it could be something in the plant, im hoping its down to me misting it as you also cover that in your post, i must admit i am using cheap mylar rescue blankets on my walls as i was unable to afford a big roll of mylar so i got the blankets, im not using a tent either its a big built in drying cupboard and i have 3 of these but only using 1 at the minute to see how things go and how costs go electric wise, so i am using cheap mylar on the walls, my light is a complete set up came new in the box with a hammered finish metal reflector, not painted white but is shiny metal, i am told its the best type to have for the type of light im using, and it all came together so should be good to use.

you mention infection or contamination, well i must admit i did pull a leaf from the bud site before it was a bud site, it had a fan leaf on it that was blocking all the nodes below it so that was removed, so that could be another possible cause of the problem, i dont think the bud is going to recover, its just weird the bud directly below it has the same problem, it does look exactly like something was spilt on the top bud and it dripped down on the bud below, but then again if it was infection or bug then it would spread its way down the branch,

would i be better off removing the whole stem from just below the 2nd damaged bud to prevent any further spread of what ever it is, ive not seen any improvement in the bud over the last couple of days, i think the bud below is looking better but i could be wrong and just hoping its looking better, well its not looking any worse than it was anyway, i dont think im going to get anything from the bud, all the white hairs have shrivled up and not grow back and not sure they will, im just left with a sort of green bud,

ill give it another day or 2, now ive got pictures i can compare it each day, ill stop spraying the plants and see if it improves or gets worse, id hate to lose it at this stage, and even worse if it spread to the other plant if it was an disease or bug of some sort, ill keep an eye on it and cut it if needed,

when i have cut clones or leaf matter off i have been using a set of brand new kitchen knives that i was bought as i gift when i moved in 7 years ago, they have sat in their box ever since and i only found them a few months ago when clearing out a grow room so i been using them, they have been used for nothing else apart from the plants and are both wiped clean after, ill get some alcohol cleaner and use that to clean the knifes with, im really hoping it dont spread,
 
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