Far East Buds 1st DWC Grow

Feel free to ask anything and if I know the answer I'll let you know or maybe have a link to somewhere you can get answers.

I really envy folks that live in my old home town of Vancouver, BC. All sorts of dispensaries there so a guy can try a bit of of many different strains then grow out ones that have the best effects. I've grown out a lot that have disappointed after a big investment in time and coin and I'm short of both.

Sometimes pot that doesn't help when smoked can be just the ticket when eaten or used as a tincture. The liver converts THC into another form that has different effects on the body and the mind. The beauty of it is that experimenting won't kill you or mess you up with permanent side effects like many pharma drugs can and often do.

"Pot is one of the few medicines that people take just for the side effects." :)

L8r
 
OldMedUser said:
Feel free to ask anything and if I know the answer I'll let you know or maybe have a link to somewhere you can get answers.

I really envy folks that live in my old home town of Vancouver, BC. All sorts of dispensaries there so a guy can try a bit of of many different strains then grow out ones that have the best effects. I've grown out a lot that have disappointed after a big investment in time and coin and I'm short of both.

Sometimes pot that doesn't help when smoked can be just the ticket when eaten or used as a tincture. The liver converts THC into another form that has different effects on the body and the mind. The beauty of it is that experimenting won't kill you or mess you up with permanent side effects like many pharma drugs can and often do.

"Pot is one of the few medicines that people take just for the side effects." :)

L8r
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You are very kind. Definitely the different methods do have vastly different effects. She is more of a tincture person and it is not nearly as available here at the dispensaries. They have some just not as many strains. My state is relatively new to this. Well aren't they all actually lol. My first grow is to get the hang of this then it is a seed order to grow some strains more catered to my needs ;) That being said as I have clones and other sprouts going..guess I am just having fun with the various stages. Oh well I'll get that seed order eventually.
 
8-14-2015 (63-54-32)
Ok here we go sorry if this becomes long winded. The defoliation question is obviously something that any experienced grower has an opinion on. I have read a lot and everyone has extremely great valid points and both sides make sense. I don't know whether you can tell anyone yes or no to do it unless they know the grow I guess. Each situation is probably different. So I wasn't going to have any luck on anyone picking for me so i decided to do it sorta in between. I did light defol above but full under the net. Trying to leave as much of the top canopy that was not directly blocking bud sites below it. I am a little concerned.. well for no reason I just am when I have been looking at her for this long grow and I just had my way with her. :tokin:

The light should have no trouble reaching any bud sites now. As long as she just relaxes a few days and then let's see what she does.

This first group of shitty pics is before...


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Then these are all from after!!
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What a huge difference on the amount of light that passes right through. I just followed this rule of thumb. If it was under the canopy pretty much gone. If it was above the canopy and leaves where blocking others etc.. cut em off. But I tried to leave a decent amount of fan leaves above the canopy to still do their thing.

Let's see in the next few days!!! :thanks:
 
Nice job on cleaning up the underneath but I firmly believe you shouldn't have taken much if any off the top quite yet. Leaves are what take the nutes you feed them and CO2 from the air then mix them up and use the energy from the light to fuel the chemical reactions that make the food to grow the buds. Especially in early flowering when the plant is trying to build up the bud sites as large as possible.

You'll still get decent buds but I'm pretty sure they would get quite a bit bigger if you'd left the upper leaves on for now.

If you take the popcorn off the bottom you should leave those few on that are close to the main stem just in case you want to reveg or get a male from new plants and want to make a few free beans. A few little buds could make 40 or 50 seeds and not be a bother to the plant at all.

L8r
 
I tried not to clip a lot above the canopy and really only took the ones that where blocking bud sites but it is also easy to get carried away I realize. Should be good to see the results but I have nothing to compare it to anyway. Thanks for you info and I appreciate you checking it out. Only time and nutes from here for the most part.
 
I have to give a big shout out to everyone who has helped me with you grow. This community is very united and helpful. the amount of knowledge I have learned here is amazing. I'd never have a potentially nice yielding plant and 14 in the veg tent with out everyone's help. Kudos's to the 420 community!
Thanks everyone!
 
Far East,

She looks great man. Congrats on getting this far with her. :)

OMU,

I love your posts man. You are so free with your experience and you are helping me a lot in my grow and also in this one. I am following a lot of journals just soaking up the experiences and learning tons. Just to echo Far East, thanks to everyone here at the 420 magazine.
 
Bamalabrat said:
Far East,

She looks great man. Congrats on getting this far with her. :)

OMU,

I love your posts man. You are so free with your experience and you are helping me a lot in my grow and also in this one. I am following a lot of journals just soaking up the experiences and learning tons. Just to echo Far East, thanks to everyone here at the 420 magazine.
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Thanks for the very kind words Bama. I am just trying to keep it real. The people here already have spent a lot of time answering my questions and looking at my grows. It has helped immensely for me as well. I look forward to when I can actually be more helpful and I know posting good info here helps that. I just like to keep it from getting boring like all that crappy data on my first page. ;). I just try to say what I think about stuff so people can confirm or correct me. Post daily so people won't get bored. People love pics.. hey me too! all that kinda fun stuff. Again thanks for the kindness and really don't hesitate to ask me anything. I definitely am still new at this but will happily share the knowledge I have. I am by no means trying to plug my blog there is a link on the bottom. I do other stuff on there too. Sometimes more interesting than my scrog page.

Ok off to check on my formerly Fattee Lady . "nervous after my last night hacking". Hacking remorse!

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8-15-2015 (63-54-32) So I was not so happy this morning when I woke up. Felt like I had a rough night.. I was worried what I would find when the lights came on her tonight. And there she was!

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Looking like I had not left the room from last night. All the trimming "stopped" her but she doesn't show any ill effects thus far. I expect a few days of slow growth at least. I'll keep checking on her but there really is nothing to do to her. Just watch! :Namaste:

Sorry boring post!
 
Any post is worth reading. :)

I was over at the site for Jorge Cervantes books and they have a forum there too. Found a topic about defoliation and this is what the great man himself had to say about it.

Removing healthy foliage that gets plenty of light from cannabis plants will retard growth.
As you may know, leaf surface area is essential to collecting light energy for the process of
photosynthesis, so that the plant can manufacture food. Each time healthy leaves are removed
from a plant there is less surface area to collect and process sunlight.

Removing foliage that receives little or no light also promotes air flow inside of the plant which
in turn helps prevent diseases and pests.
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There was no real mention of whether buds that are shaded are hindered but I maintain they aren't. I have 2 plants in a single ScroG and a 3rd one that covers a good part of one plant as I had to squeeze it in somewhere. The buds under the 3rd plant look no smaller than ones from that same plant look that are out in the blazing light from 2 - 400W HPS bulbs.

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L8r
 
OldMedUser said:
Any post is worth reading. :)

I was over at the site for Jorge Cervantes books and they have a forum there too. Found a topic about defoliation and this is what the great man himself had to say about it.



There was no real mention of whether buds that are shaded are hindered but I maintain they aren't. I have 2 plants in a single ScroG and a 3rd one that covers a good part of one plant as I had to squeeze it in somewhere. The buds under the 3rd plant look no smaller than ones from that same plant look that are out in the blazing light from 2 - 400W HPS bulbs.

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L8r
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I LOVE IT!
Good info OLDMED ! I love your pic as well they are beasts!. So do you think tho by that the 2-400's are enough to penetrate through better? I am running a 600 and not dimmed but i started grow on a 400 and I do feel like the 600 was noticeably brighter (my 400 was old and might not have been full power anymore) To me wattage = yield. Just throwing that out there. Seeing your grow I realize that I took off too much on the top. Jorge Cervantes info is good news to hear because that is sorta how I think I will approach it in the future. Above screen scrog tie and move. Below screen clean it all out. In my novice experience I do feel like if a plant is healthy and no hermie genes then too much may just simply stunt it? Reading peoples results it seems to add flower times but definitely they still get big yields. Oh well next grow.

This has been a huge learn learn learn grow. Lesson learned put the freaking snippers down. They grow slow and cut up fast ..lol

Great post on my page Old Med kudo's to you for getting involved in my grow.
 
8-15-2015 (63-54-32) Nap did me real well! First thing I noticed when I woke up and went to visit my girl...... She stinks ! and I mean that in a nice aroma sweet stink way. Now maybe it is just me but I feel like it is stronger than yesterday. Other than that she looks nice and clean still. Not too much growth or at least not easy to see. Bud sites possibly. I added about a gallon of straight PH water cause she still seem to drink a fair amount and the nutes where 1220 ppm and ph 5.78. A little high on the PPm so I wanted to dilute it some. So I wonder if she continues to drink a lot then it should say photosynthesis is still ramped up and thus still adequate leaves. Just guessing but makes sense right? I guess I ramble.... So say I cut only exactly the hidden leaves by theory the photosynthesis shouldn't be impacted nearly as much. (That's how i took it form Jorge )

So I am coming up to 5 weeks soon on an unknown strain, Will it start taking the nutes and yellow the fan leaves with the same amount of nutes? Or does that start to happen when I start to reduce them near the end of flower? I was thinking in a week on my next water change of dropping the PPM to maybe 500? (still add bud candy) and then 2 weeks after that straight ph'd with candy ..then harvest I hope some time after that...( and that my friends is a whole different topic ) Would that plan be off ?

Anyone here have any reason why those amounts of nutes and my plant shouldn't be together in holy bond til harvest do they part? If so speak up now or hold your peace til harvest .

rambling again ...
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BTW I ask a lot of questions in my posts.
I don't always expect people to answer them. Sometimes it is the inner working of my brain rofl. Just a FYI. So that explains why sometimes they don't make sense and I am not asking 400 questions in each post. Food for thought stuff. But never hesitate to chime in they are usually what I find interesting topics ;)
 
8-15-2015 Late...

I tested a little last night. Sorry everyone I have been watching my readings but haven't logged them as much. I will try to be better at it ;) I don't think I have logged a temp or humidity reading in.... well i don't know.

PH 5.62 ppm 1105 corrected. If I stop to think about it I guess my range is 5.6-5.9 or so because I seem to leave it if the ph is in that window and the ppm I usually will try to drop it when it hits 1200. The transpiration means 1-2 days. So far I have dropped the ppm by just adding PH'd only water as my method. Still going through a lot of water but the butchering was only 2 nights ago.

There we go getting back into the boring shit ;) I know i know everyone loves the boring shit ..lol

Ok so my temps have been very very steady. 70/77 is the span. I'd like to have it drop to 65 or so lights off but 70 is the lowest I can do without AC in the summer.

ok so humidity. I have been avoiding .... talking ..... about ..... it.

I was running at 74% and post butchering it dropped to 71 but I know in flower I need to get it to 40-50. I am far into flower and I know near the end it is even more important. It has been super humid where I am and I was hoping it would break some but ..to no avail. It actually was one of the things Jorge Cervantis said would be a benefit from defol.

I researched dehumids and i realize summer growing I will probably need one but was hoping to make it through this grow first. Then finances would allow for a really good one instead of a band aid. So i am currently watching closely and if i see any ill signs ill break out the card and solve the problem rofl.

Thats about it for now I guess have a good day everyone.
 
Just a note to myself on the last post .

Put that damn clip board in my grow room to mark all the readings down. I am running 4 tanks all separate right now and when next flower it will jump to 7. It was one thing to try to log one reading while I remember it but not 7 lol.
 
I usually have to add moisture especially in winter where it can be 20% in a room full of plants. I'm 3 weeks into flower and it's holding between 40 and 50% and should be going down now as it's getting chilly at night. Almost had to fire up the furnace yesterday. lol

70/77 temps sound good. Too much variation in temps isn't good and pot grows best at 75. Warmer with humidity invites bud rot, PM and pests. Too cool and it retards growth/budding. I think you're in the zone there.

If you get a dehumidifier get one that lets you collect the water for re-use. Free distilled water is a good thing. A few drops of 35% peroxide in the collection vessel will prevent algae. Or a tsp/gal of 3% from the drug store.

L8r
 
OldMedUser said:
I usually have to add moisture especially in winter where it can be 20% in a room full of plants. I'm 3 weeks into flower and it's holding between 40 and 50% and should be going down now as it's getting chilly at night. Almost had to fire up the furnace yesterday. lol

70/77 temps sound good. Too much variation in temps isn't good and pot grows best at 75. Warmer with humidity invites bud rot, PM and pests. Too cool and it retards growth/budding. I think you're in the zone there.

If you get a dehumidifier get one that lets you collect the water for re-use. Free distilled water is a good thing. A few drops of 35% peroxide in the collection vessel will prevent algae. Or a tsp/gal of 3% from the drug store.

L8r
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That is great advice I didn't think of the water collecting as a good thing. I was trying to think of a way to route it to my drain.

Thanks for the encouragement with all the help it is turning into a good grow.

I read somewhere the day/ night thing is good around 10 degrees and yah temp up to 80 max is all good too. The reason I get "nervous" about it... I am living sorta on the edge. These temps and such are staying here using my max controlling of it. I get it as cool as it will ever really go in the summer at lights out. And I am up to the mercy of circulation running at max to avoid overheat. So far so good. Today is 93 ambient outside and so far max in room is 78 today so not too bad.

The humidity is a diff story. I cant control it with all the transpiration. Winter it will not be and issue . and once I swap to flowering in the tent it will all change again... temps and all.

So I am gently walking her to the finish line here so I can do hopefully one last swap over to relearn it all again ;)
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8-16-2015 (64-55-33) Ok so tonight I look forward to checking on her to see if it is still dormant so to speak. I do believe she is coming out of it. The buds look fuller. Unless I am going crazy. I'll get some pics later of course . She is still drinking alot and the ppm was 1140 and ph 5.59 so i added some straight ph water 6.02. I feel as though I must have done well on the defol because she still wants her tea!

I did notice that the ends of some leaves are starting to curl a tiny bit and maybe a tiny discolor. Not the sugars those all curl but some fans. Not much a tiny bit.

Not sure if that is due to the defol or nutes or did I read somewhere at week 5 it may start to do so. I forget now but I will just keep and eye on it.

I removed some of the tie downs and most buds stayed put anyway, but a couple I put back on for now.
That was about it on the scrog for now. I am sure I'll post some pics later.
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