Far East Buds 1st DWC Grow

[Far East Buds]

So I have read a large amount about when to harvest and I reserve the right to change at any time! but the current plan now that all the pistils are changing... wait until they all turn brown or 80-90% minimum (at this pace probably a week) and then flush with no nutes just bud candy for a week.... Say some prayers for her and ... well you know the rest...I'll watch the tric's and if something comes up with them... but ..try to follow that plan.

What are the Spider Mite Clan thoughts? Seriously though feel free to pipe up you all have helped me through this and I trust nothing everything you all say...

 

[Far East Buds]

Thank you Sweet Sue for sharing this with me...


Quote Originally Posted by Doc Bud View Post
It's a matter of personal preference, but here's how I look at it:

You're in mineralized, living soil so your triches may not go amber. Mine don't, same with a lot of us. So I don't use trichomes as the gold standard for harvest anymore, I use several factors:

1. growth characteristics. Drinking less water, not pushing out pistils, swelling and ripening is the harvest window opening. Re-growth of green leaves in buds and cessation of swelling....harvest window is closing. The triches may all still be clear/cloudy. There won't be much amber at all.
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2. Medical needs. Do I need something really, really heavy? If so, I want an indica and I want to take it at the latter part of the harvest window. Do I need something not quite as heavy? Take it in the early portion of the harvest window.

3. Supply and demand. Do you need it sooner, or later? Will it be more convenient to take it in 2 weeks? These are real concerns as well, because if you develop the habit of harvesting at a really inconvenient time it takes some of the joy away. I try to harvest when it's most convenient, if at all possible.
So, I think I've gleaned from your journal that it stopped drinking as much, has cloudy triches, is putting out green leaves in the buds, AND you have a husband with real needs.....you'll probably do better making your decision based on these factors, not just the trichomes.

I simply don't get amber triches......pretty sure several others have the same "problem" and I suspect you might be one of the other misfits and ne'r do wells who grow in hyperactive soil and get body, soul and spirit involved in growing. We always seem to find eachother.

 

[Far East Buds]

Our questions are just silly!!!!

When we are new to growing we all ask a lot of questions. It is all about trying to learn based on the really quality knowledge from experience here. In growing infancy there is no experience it is all living through the others experiences, asking questions, reading studies... In my case I am constantly trying the learn the phase I am approaching so i ask questions pertaining to the future of my grow.

It is really almost humorous looking back and seeing the questions I asked and how a good portion of them I just needed to follow the biggest rule I have found so far... Patience.

Most of them get answered in time... Not saying the issues and etc...

Just that a lot of the time... like for harvesting... there is no golden rule for everyone.. there are variations.. and each grow you just look at all the evidence .. research and make a conclusion whats best for your case... Think open minded and the best will come.

*steps off soap box*

 

[Far East Buds]

Why do I feel so dry? really?

8-22-2015 (71-62-40) So How goes it ... excellent good to hear...

Tonight I couldn't wait for the lights to come on to do my daily... then I got really stoned and didn't go check for a few hours...

First off I still am like day 3 bug free .. With the support of my sponsors and fellow clan members I seem to have kicked the habit! Another 20 -30 minutes crawling around... nothing not a one... starting to get sick of looking... but must be diligent....


So here is where the Dry comes in ... Quickly into fondling my leaves...(doh) I noticed that the ends on any affected ones are dry and basically fall off.. just the tips.

The rest of the leaves that are affected are dry.. feel sorta scaley...well maybe not that bad. even though they have been treated the ones that are scaley it's like the oil dried up on them... well I would say it all went into the plant but with the transpiration still happening stuff is still coming out not going in.... overall it is like the oil is dissipating on the whole plant.

Other than that everything seems to continue to progress

Lets get some vitals down and talk about that.
Vitals
Temp 73-78
Hum 73-80
PH 5.69
PPM 775
The ph and ppm are after I pulled around 2 liters out of res and put in fresh no nute mix I made yesterday...
Since i see more and more orange pistils, I feel like I am wanting to start backing off nutes some... and due to 775 is still up there.. could prob be around 500 soon...maybe none soon just cal/mag and bud candy....

You can see swapping around the fans definitely helped the heat.... It's still not as good as I feel it should be... At some point i need a few more intake vent holes... The air goes in room at 69 all day and was coming out lowest at 74.. the only thing on during the day is a 100w t5 in the veg tent... air is pulled through veg tent from outside into room then pushed back out elsewhere... (only one of the intakes)
the T5 shouldn't be that hot?
Oh well I may have this good enough for now.. I want to fix it all... but it all will change on next flower.. So i need to relax... again

Humidity ... blagh don't want to talk about it.


Let's get some pics up here...

Just a few... I am thinking that the genetics are pretty poor on this girl...
I swear I see like 1-2 spots on each peak of the bud that may be seed pods? Definitely never had pollen. I cut the males very early. But this girl has had a rough last week or so and who knows... And all the errors along the way that may not have hurt her bad but it has had it 's ups and downs...

It won't matter if she does have a few seeds... it's how I got her to begin with .. that being said they could all just pop and not actually be seed pods... first time on this one and from what I read they start similar and then change...

I'm not worried...

I very much now look forward to a good strain quality seed grow.... in the future....

 

[OldMedUser]

For the life me Far East I can't recall how many weeks you've been flowering but they don't look close to chopping to me. Your pistils are probably going brown from the treatment and new flowers should still be on the way.

Some times it's a cut and run. If the space is needed for better things then it might be better to clean up and get other things on the way.

Harvesting is tough to decide on but I go by what Jorge Cervantes recommends in his grow bibles. When most of the hairs have gone red and half or more of the trichs have gone cloudy and hardly any new flowers are popping out then it's time. When trichs are going amber that means the THC and other compounds in the glands are degrading. Chop it early and it will continue degrading to the amber stage later. Why take up space and waste electricity etc if picking at the peak can still get you the same as waiting for amber?

Like the Doc Buds post says, If you want something heavy then grow a strain that will do what you want. A heavy indica will knock you on your ass even if picked with 100% clear trichs.

Putting a dehumidifier in your room will do little to help RH if the air you are pulling in is high RH. The air going into your grow space needs to go thru it before it goes in the room. There is also the heat made by the machine being dumped in there too. Better to install an A/C window unit so the heat is exhausted outside the grow space and the air is dried before going in.

I suffer from low RH and temp so heating my space even in the summer uses extra power.

Have you thought about doing a water cure on your buds to clean up any taste issues? Basically soak the buds in fresh water that you change every day for 7 days then dry the bud for smoking. Comes out almost black for some but much of the chlorophyll and other stuff is gone. You lose a lot of weight but the potency is raised as all the glands and oils don't wash away and the buzz to weight ratio is raised. I've not done it but search around for water curing and you should find out lots more about it.

L8r

 

[Far East Buds]

FE Tidbits....

For the life me Far East I can't recall how many weeks you've been flowering but they don't look close to chopping to me. Your pistils are probably going brown from the treatment and new flowers should still be on the way.

Some times it's a cut and run. If the space is needed for better things then it might be better to clean up and get other things on the way.

Harvesting is tough to decide on but I go by what Jorge Cervantes recommends in his grow bibles. When most of the hairs have gone red and half or more of the trichs have gone cloudy and hardly any new flowers are popping out then it's time. When trichs are going amber that means the THC and other compounds in the glands are degrading. Chop it early and it will continue degrading to the amber stage later. Why take up space and waste electricity etc if picking at the peak can still get you the same as waiting for amber?

Like the Doc Buds post says, If you want something heavy then grow a strain that will do what you want. A heavy indica will knock you on your ass even if picked with 100% clear trichs.

Putting a dehumidifier in your room will do little to help RH if the air you are pulling in is high RH. The air going into your grow space needs to go thru it before it goes in the room. There is also the heat made by the machine being dumped in there too. Better to install an A/C window unit so the heat is exhausted outside the grow space and the air is dried before going in.

I suffer from low RH and temp so heating my space even in the summer uses extra power.

L8r

Good evening OMU .. Almost 6 weeks so definitely will be 2-3 more min.

I could do the AC thing but I m trying to do everything I can to avoid it only based on it being a monthly expense. Not a real lot in the grand scheme of things but part of this grow for me is cost savings if i can stream line this, quality and my personal variety. The cost saving side doesn't need to be a lot but if I can figure out alternatives to keep it low the better gear upgrades etc...I don't mind spending the money where it needs to be spent up front to save in the long run monthly ( oh yah I can say it LED's!!!!)
problem solved right there.... Amex here I come!
J/k
So ac yes is a solution...But my current goal which i realized earlier today... is to be able to get enough flow through the grow room to match .. equalize the temp with the whole basement (68-69) That is the worst it ever gets dead of summer. I don't set the thermostat that low... but want to be able to.. Winter we'll see if i can get it to rise above 55-58 and maybe i will want to put the HPS back in ..lol..

The Harvest thing yah is gonna be based on the whole picture... thanks everyone for the links etc. I don't need the room... wouldn't mind the harvest but bah I'm close... will be excited to reorganize but .. whatever on that... so I will wait til plant slows way down on development. Keep an eye on the trich's but will only contribute to decision.. Most or all the pistils change or they start to look poor or something... has had adequate time to flush and look better\ beyond the neeming... Could be a lot of things...Could be none of those things. Everything at this point is a guesstimate.


But I have now researched and asked and prodded and will ask and prod again to feel good that I will know when.

I guess the tough part will be when do I start flushing stuff etc....That will probably be my next post

 

[Far East Buds]

When do you flush.. Do you?

When What why how...
What do people do here I have of course read a good bit but like this current groups opinions...

I know minimum 3 days to a week in hydro... but


do you wait for a tell tale sign from plant then flush for a certain time?

Just decide its time and flush harvest ...... days later?

Don't flush.. just extra cure?


I'm curious!

 

[OldMedUser]

I should have mentioned that to prevent or at least cut way down on the chance that bugs get into your grow is to filter all the air that gets into your room. I was using HEPA filters but they are too restrictive for good air flow. I had a box of lint-fees disposable wipes and put them on the back of the vents that let air into my room from the rest of the basement. I had to make a plywood cover for the space under the stairs where my basement sump pump is so I built this. I needed to be able to see the sump so bought some heavy tablecloth plastic for a window and put some cheap vents on it that come with mosquito screen on the back. I just cut the cloths and taped them over that to screen the tiny critters out better. I have since this pic was taken installed 2 more of those vents. It has that foam rubber weather stripping with the glue strip attached to the wall behind and screws every 3" around to form good seal. I needed a gap at the bottom in case a tub leaked so there is a thin gap that I backfill with diatomaceous earth that will kill any bug that tries to crawl through it and wash out should water need to get through to the sump. The ugly stuff at the bottom is staining from the flood we had a couple years ago. 8" in my basement. Pics of the flooded grow room in my journal.

L8r

 

[Weaselcracker]

Here's a link to a post on JoJo's journal as he was trying recently to figure out the same questions around harvest Plus surrounding pages before and after have some interesting info I thought. JoJo's Hempy SCROG Bucket C99 Grow Journal - 2015

 

[SweetSue]

Does it smell a bit like eucalyptus ?

Not at all. It smells like neem. It's that distinctive an odor Weaselcracker. Honestly. Once you smell it you'll understand.

 

[Far East Buds]

I should have mentioned that to prevent or at least cut way down on the chance that bugs get into your grow is to filter all the air that gets into your room. I was using HEPA filters but they are too restrictive for good air flow. I had a box of lint-fees disposable wipes and put them on the back of the vents that let air into my room from the rest of the basement. I had to make a plywood cover for the space under the stairs where my basement sump pump is so I built this. I needed to be able to see the sump so bought some heavy tablecloth plastic for a window and put some cheap vents on it that come with mosquito screen on the back. I just cut the cloths and taped them over that to screen the tiny critters out better. I have since this pic was taken installed 2 more of those vents. It has that foam rubber weather stripping with the glue strip attached to the wall behind and screws every 3" around to form good seal. I needed a gap at the bottom in case a tub leaked so there is a thin gap that I backfill with diatomaceous earth that will kill any bug that tries to crawl through it and wash out should water need to get through to the sump. The ugly stuff at the bottom is staining from the flood we had a couple years ago. 8" in my basement. Pics of the flooded grow room in my journal.

L8r

Much much bigger vent is needed.... Do you use a fan to pull any air in or just exhaust out with big opening for intake?


Good stuff right there...

And yes i will need to screen it soon... damn list goes on...

 

[OldMedUser]

I don't notice all that much smell from my neem sprays. What amount/water are you applying?

And are you using a wetting agent/soap?

 

[Far East Buds]

Not at all. It smells like neem. It's that distinctive an odor Weaselcracker. Honestly. Once you smell it you'll understand.

Thank you Sue I forgot to answer this you are right... and the smell on application is different than after it dries and the lights hit it later.... And I am not saying it is bad... just distinct.. 3 days later I can barely catch a whif once in awhile... I smelled the bottle earlier... nothing like the cooked on smell after...

 

[Far East Buds]

I don't notice all that much smell from my neem sprays. What amount/water are you applying?

And are you using a wetting agent/soap?

garden something brand organic and I forget now but it was like 1 part per 100 i think...I'd have to read it again... said it would work out to .09 percent.. Pretty mild I thought.

no presoak put it in a sprayer and soaked it all...

edit i misunderstood... I diluted a few drops of dish detergent organic stuff to disperse it in bottle... thought you meant did i prespray plants....

 

[Far East Buds]

garden something brand organic and I forget now but it was like 1 part per 100 i think...I'd have to read it again... said it would work out to .09 percent.. Pretty mild I thought.

no presoak put it in a sprayer and soaked it all...

edit i misunderstood... I diluted a few drops of dish detergent organic stuff to disperse it in bottle... thought you meant did i prespray plants....

Garden Safe neem oil extract.

Edit :
I have that NPK stuff on the shelf now and that will be the ammo next time... Reviews all say it adds nothing for taste... probably still not good for it tho...

 

[Weaselcracker]

Not at all. It smells like neem. It's that distinctive an odor Weaselcracker. Honestly. Once you smell it you'll understand.

My mistake. I had a war with mites that went on (and off and on again) for a couple years. They got in my greenhouse and kept getting transferred here and there, to and fro, in and out. I finally eradicated them from my life with a product called Mite-Rid. I read somewhere that it is an extract of the active ingredient of neem oil. It smells like eucalyptus.
I just looked it up. It contains neem oil, garlic, and...eucalyptus. Also hints at containing 'other things'. Anyway. I'm eternally grateful for it, whatever it is, and would reccomend it in a second. At the time I had to order it from Australia

 

[Far East Buds]

Ok just cut a huge vent for intake and moved the fan back to pull from the veg tent... damn confusing...
See what that does...

 

[Far East Buds]

Warning Warning!!

8-24-2015

Just a note to Caution.....

awhile back I had a "vine" cutting my wife had thrown with some soils in a plastic bag. I walked by it 100 times and then finally asked her if she wanted me to save it. She explained what type she thinks it is as a family member had given it to her.

Piece of cake. I transplant it to a bigger pot with nice soil...( i don't do soil) nice water light nutes. Figure heck I'll throw it in the Veg tent... that little thing grew and sprouted second leaves... I was like yah I'm great....

I moved it out of there and put it in a room in my house in the window... let it stretch.. that was a few weeks ago and it seemed to do well ... i water every couple days etc .. many more leaves are starting to form...


SOOOOO today I walk by it and figure I'll stop and see how it is... and with my improved horticultural skills noticed it immediately!

It was all enclosed in spider mites and webs!!!!!!!!!! they love that Vine.... Sprayed and moved out of house sorry bye bye!

Now I can only assume now that this is the reason my spider mites started.... It was only in the room for a week or two and hadn't been in there for a few weeks...

Maybe not even related... but Don't like it either way. If this was how my girl would have looked it would have been in ruin.
When someone says yah here is some clones or something I may think twice now or spray them when they enter or something....

Just thought I'd share...
Have a good day!

 

[Weaselcracker]

Exactly.
Mites can't live where I am, in the wild anyway. They arrived as a 'gift' from a 'friend' on some 'really good clones'.
They thrived indoors in my g-room, houseplants and greenhouse. You have to assume that they're everywhere now, and either obliterate them completely by all out war, or live with them by doing constant mite control measures to keep than at low levels. Obviously I reccomend option #1 if at all possible.
If the bastards are naturally frolicking in your lawn and falling from the sky or being constantly provided as a free service from the local nurseries- then probably option #2
Or option #3- the complete grow room lockdown, with moon suit hanging outside the front door.

 

[Far East Buds]

Exactly.
Mites can't live where I am, in the wild anyway. They arrived as a 'gift' from a 'friend' on some 'really good clones'.
They thrived indoors in my g-room, houseplants and greenhouse. You have to assume that they're everywhere now, and either obliterate them completely by all out war, or live with them by doing constant mite control measures to keep than at low levels. Obviously I reccomend option #1 if at all possible.
If the bastards are naturally frolicking in your lawn and falling from the sky or being constantly provided as a free service from the local nurseries- then probably option #2
Or option #3- the complete grow room lockdown, with moon suit hanging outside the front door.

It's all good.... Just have to be smart.. currently (well tonight is day 4 bugs) I am bug free in there... I will do a complete cleaning after this flower. I debated painting floor too as it is bare concrete and sorta dusty. I won't bomb or anything but I'll pull my tent out clean real good and spray down everything with pest stuff... air it out...clean clean clean... maybe hang mylar so I can always wipe it all down... and put it all back... probably a full day thing... This should make it all easier in the future if problems occur.

I do know my very first grow already taught me to always be on the look out for them!