Far East Buds 1st DWC Grow

Thattimeof said:
That sucks I hope you get rid of them idk was this plant nute burned too Im really interested in what happens after because I have one that just hasn't did really anything since the burn
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Thanks for your interest.

OK so yes in a way.. I had two things ..one confirmed I had mites. HAD again.. just spent an hour laying on my basement floor with a lupe and the hps shining on down through the canopy... Gone again!!

I believe the leaf burn was cal/mag deficiency.. but the nutes where spiking. This may be root based I have no idea but I was thinking it may be. I flush but have barely seen the roots for a long time .. I wasn't but will peroxide in the future. they where white as far as I can see.. Sorta excited after harvest to see its root ball.
I was going through so much water and the plant was slowing down on nute intake but still pulling all the cal/ mag I guess. So I was adding PH'd water and it had no cal/mag so .... it all happened to the current appearance in about three days.. and a lower PPM cal/mag booster stopped it in its tracks. that was like 8-9 days ago i could look.. the leaves have been fine since and I feel like the way they burned most are still working.

I removed the rest of the leaves below canopy about 10 last night and 10 tonight... Mostly cause I am sick of checking them for bugs...

I found the mites and believe it would have been a total loss but odd enough the deficiency made me look it over so much I found the critters. Funny how things work out sometimes. Hate it when the good comes from bad theory is right!

ok to stop rambling yes I have gained growth... Pistils popping everywhere buds are making pods.. when I first found bugs i did that big under canopy defol and it stunted 2-3 days then popped again... No more stretch or growth as far as fans etc... but it was stopping before all this... Did I lose yield and stunt stuff a long the way on this grow..Most definitely.

So my guess would be yes if the fan leaves still have enough green and health they should do the photosynthesis thing... but if they are damaged badly then it would stunt and slow way down possible worse.... A lot I don't know.... age of plant etc. just stating it real basic.

Hope all this helps in some way.... No warranty expressed or implied as the signature says... rookie grower ;)
:peace:
 
NPK Mighty Wash

OK so just notes and first impressions...

Wet... less oily than neem but did dry with a sheen (almost rhymes)..Not even close to the same as Neem though
No smell .. went on and i smelled a sort of sweet smell but it dried and is gone. I also though feel like the plant "aroma" lessened.. Have to see how that plays out.

Leaves don't feel oily just a little shiny.

Bugs are gone but who know if it killed any or if some of the defol etc helped. But they are all gone... And it did seem like it was mild to the plant... I soaked it twice... all of it..yet plant grew pistils today. if i get a taste in this grow i will not know whether it was neem or NPK but so far I like the npk when based on outward appearance. application etc...

Neem i wanted to go shower after NPK i knew i should but didn't feel like i needed to ..lol

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Oh ok now I got where your coming from lol. Yea mine got burned really bad
all my fault I let the bucket go pretty low and well my pic says it all it looks like this as of today
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But was looking like this when it happened around week 4 of flower and after a 4 week veg which I consider to begin after the first true set of leaves
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and that was what most of the plant looked like except for the lower branches
 
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"Funny how things work out sometimes. Hate it when the good comes from bad theory is right!"

Hahaha! Love your sense of humor Far East. You know (she said in her softest mother voice) with the right attitude all things are good.

That's what my children had to live with growing up in my house. :laughtwo: Poor kids.

Hopefully, you've put such a dent in the mites that they're history. I know what you mean about the neem. I've never used the oil, but I added meal to my LOS last night and when I opened the tote today to add the vermicompost I forgot about, the smell near knocked me over. Whew! Powerful stuff. Thankfully that tote seals well, because it sits at the foot of my bed. I don't want to have to relocate that tote. It's got to weigh more than I should be moving.
 
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SweetSue said:
"Funny how things work out sometimes. Hate it when the good comes from bad theory is right!"

Hahaha! Love your sense of humor Far East. You know (she said in her softest mother voice) with the right attitude all things are good.

That's what my children had to live with growing up in my house. :laughtwo: Poor kids.

Hopefully, you've put such a dent in the mites that they're history. I know what you mean about the neem. I've never used the oil, but I added meal to my LOS last night and when I opened the tote today to add the vermicompost I forgot about, the smell near knocked me over. Whew! Powerful stuff. Thankfully that tote seals well, because it sits at the foot of my bed. I don't want to have to relocate that tote. It's got to weigh more than I should be moving.
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Yah sounds like it would involve emptying it then moving it ;) Misc task #721 to be done...

I hope I don't need to beat them down too many more times. The grow should be ending soon... Then I will remodel as i mentioned a thousand times before.. but it definitely will involve painting and a serious clean... spray.

Attitude is key... When I got mites and nute issues little over a week ago i was down... But this time I have the experience of knowing it didn't ruin it last time so... Just something else to learn and figure out.... So I have been better about it today...last night.. I am frustrated don't get me wrong... Enough that I removed all the rest of the undergrowth so I wouldn't have to check it all.. next .... time ... hehe

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Thattimeof said:
Oh ok now I got where your coming from lol. Yea mine got burned really bad
all my fault I let the bucket go pretty low and well my pic says it all it looks like this as of today
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But was looking like this when it happened around week 4 of flower and after a 4 week veg which I consider to begin after the first true set of leaves
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and that was what most of the plant looked like except for the lower branches
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Possible to get a better pic.. 420 nummed it down so much I can't see it well enough....
Back in a few Draining my system gotta go refill soon....
 
Do I? Don't I? Should I? Why would I?

8-25-2015 (73 sprouted 64 what I call since veg 42 flipped) yes short veg on purpose.

Ok so drained everything let it drain extra long and was researching peroxide flush... and i went to go do it and ... got cold feet just ran 5 gallons of tap to flush crud and started to refill with my tea...

I just wasn't sure... Normal cheap store bought hydrogen peroxide? And what is with the mix everyone does something different... I mean I researched 30 mins and decided hell with it I'll ask someone .. anyone what they do with it... Jeez.

People leave it in all the time?

Ok I am back now... Phew .. breathe...

So fresh nutes....
I added 10 ml micro 20 ml bloom GH stuff one at a time of course and then added cal/ mag 5 ML and Bud Candy 10 ML in a 5 gallon pail with about 4.5 gallons in it. It worked out to around 400-500 ppm and ph i was surprised to see at 6.15. Recently with the PH dropping I elected to leave it and see what happens 6.15 isn't really that high... I hope next week Is when I start to flush her ;) But when she's ready!

I duplicated it and added it all back to system. This will probably even out some as the two batches of nutes I made combine with the flow pump...

So that was that all fresh for another 7-10 days which will be 7 days like all the other times I say 7-10..hehe.

Lets get the Vitals prior (So Class let's Recap!)

Humidity 77-82 ugg Friday here yet?
Temp 73-78 .. Right where I want it...
Ph 5.72
PPM 806 corrected.

I'll probably post later the testing later.

So Let's look now at what she looks like.. So I was wondering ... Does she shine because she is suppose to when clean and that fact the leaves get dusty make them satin instead...?? And by spraying her she is actually showing the way she is suppose to? Sorta kidding... looks funny like a house plant...

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Look at that sun bathing beauty! She knows she looks good! Since I took off the "bindings" She has a gentle sway in the fan breeze!

The pistils and all look nice... and I looked at the trics and i don't think I hurt them any with spraying twice today or anything... (6 am and 12:00)

Thanks for looking ....Hope everyone learns something besides that I have a strange sense of humor!
:peace:
 
I use a product called hydroshield if I need to fix root rot or clean the res. It can also be used as a preventative additive each time you top up the res using 3ml per gallon but I don't do tihs because my other additives have microbes and other stuff I assume it might kill.

An alternative is Oxyplus.

A little info about them.

Hydroshield is 6% H2O2 with silver ions.

When it comes into contact with a single celled organism, bacteria, virus, algae and so on, it breaks up and the silver and the free oxygen (O-) attacks it.

The National Medical Research Council says that both are good for sanitising, but together they are greater than the addition of two.

The silver helps keep the H2O2 in suspension for longer, up to 7 days in a res.

Straight H2O2 is very unstable. Even with 50% like Oxy Plus, it breaks up quickly upon contact with water and any contaminants, or even agitation, can create a massive initial burst of H2O2 without being directed at anything, After an hour there is usually very low levels still available to keep sanitising.

With H2O2 you need to add it very regularly to provide any residual protection.

While both will sanitise upon contact with micro-organisms and so on, even a high strength solution cannot protect like a silver and Hydrogen peroxide solution can.

Both are destroyed in the act of sanitising, (releasing O-) and should be added regularly until the problem is under control.

With Hydroshield, we recommend adding weekly as a preventative, and as a curative, add every 2 days until under control.

With Oxy Plus, I suggest adding every 3-4 days, ensuring it will pass through feeder lines and up into the system before it breaks down, and every day if there is a problem.

The other problem is danger. Oxyplus on the skin will burn. Hydroshield tends to just whiten the areas of the skin that has bacteria on it (usually the cracks like the palm print and finger prints)

Hydroshield is below 6% and so won't pose a fire risk. It is capable of being posted, where Oxyplus requires dangerous goods truck freight measures due to its oxidisation and fire risk (Fast Oxygen release)
 
ruddie said:
I use a product called hydroshield if I need to fix root rot or clean the res. It can also be used as a preventative additive each time you top up the res using 3ml per gallon but I don't do tihs because my other additives have microbes and other stuff I assume it might kill.

An alternative is Oxyplus.

A little info about them.

Hydroshield is 6% H2O2 with silver ions.

When it comes into contact with a single celled organism, bacteria, virus, algae and so on, it breaks up and the silver and the free oxygen (O-) attacks it.

The National Medical Research Council says that both are good for sanitising, but together they are greater than the addition of two.

The silver helps keep the H2O2 in suspension for longer, up to 7 days in a res.

Straight H2O2 is very unstable. Even with 50% like Oxy Plus, it breaks up quickly upon contact with water and any contaminants, or even agitation, can create a massive initial burst of H2O2 without being directed at anything, After an hour there is usually very low levels still available to keep sanitising.

With H2O2 you need to add it very regularly to provide any residual protection.

While both will sanitise upon contact with micro-organisms and so on, even a high strength solution cannot protect like a silver and Hydrogen peroxide solution can.

Both are destroyed in the act of sanitising, (releasing O-) and should be added regularly until the problem is under control.

With Hydroshield, we recommend adding weekly as a preventative, and as a curative, add every 2 days until under control.

With Oxy Plus, I suggest adding every 3-4 days, ensuring it will pass through feeder lines and up into the system before it breaks down, and every day if there is a problem.

The other problem is danger. Oxyplus on the skin will burn. Hydroshield tends to just whiten the areas of the skin that has bacteria on it (usually the cracks like the palm print and finger prints)

Hydroshield is below 6% and so won't pose a fire risk. It is capable of being posted, where Oxyplus requires dangerous goods truck freight measures due to its oxidisation and fire risk (Fast Oxygen release)
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Hmm both sound like too strong to me... Was more looking for the basic stuff... That was why the questions of peroxide...Everyone swears by hydroguard but I was hoping not to add a hydro shop item. If wally world hydrogen peroxide is somewhat effective I'm all in but wanted advice on it..
 
Hang in there Far East Buds. Your doing great. :thumb:

Nice write up ruddie, very helpful ++reps. :Namaste:
 
ruddie said:
I use a product called hydroshield if I need to fix root rot or clean the res. It can also be used as a preventative additive each time you top up the res using 3ml per gallon but I don't do tihs because my other additives have microbes and other stuff I assume it might kill.

An alternative is Oxyplus.

A little info about them.

Hydroshield is 6% H2O2 with silver ions.

When it comes into contact with a single celled organism, bacteria, virus, algae and so on, it breaks up and the silver and the free oxygen (O-) attacks it.

The National Medical Research Council says that both are good for sanitising, but together they are greater than the addition of two.

The silver helps keep the H2O2 in suspension for longer, up to 7 days in a res.

Straight H2O2 is very unstable. Even with 50% like Oxy Plus, it breaks up quickly upon contact with water and any contaminants, or even agitation, can create a massive initial burst of H2O2 without being directed at anything, After an hour there is usually very low levels still available to keep sanitising.

With H2O2 you need to add it very regularly to provide any residual protection.

While both will sanitise upon contact with micro-organisms and so on, even a high strength solution cannot protect like a silver and Hydrogen peroxide solution can.

Both are destroyed in the act of sanitising, (releasing O-) and should be added regularly until the problem is under control.

With Hydroshield, we recommend adding weekly as a preventative, and as a curative, add every 2 days until under control.

With Oxy Plus, I suggest adding every 3-4 days, ensuring it will pass through feeder lines and up into the system before it breaks down, and every day if there is a problem.

The other problem is danger. Oxyplus on the skin will burn. Hydroshield tends to just whiten the areas of the skin that has bacteria on it (usually the cracks like the palm print and finger prints)

Hydroshield is below 6% and so won’t pose a fire risk. It is capable of being posted, where Oxyplus requires dangerous goods truck freight measures due to its oxidisation and fire risk (Fast Oxygen release)
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And thank you for all this... It is really good stuff... I guess the ending just scared me ...hehe
 
Just to throw something semi-randomly into the mix here, FarEast- have you read this post from The Cap'n ? Everything by him, whatever is remaining here, anyway, is pretty much required reading. Or so I think, anyway.
Actually I haven't caught up with your journal yet. I read the first couple pages and I think I'll skim through the rest. I like your journalling a lot but I'm subscribed to over 600 threads now and hate catching up when the real action is happening now.
Edit- oh yeah. The point of that- I don't know why you want peroxide-because I haven't caught up on the journal- but assuming that it's as a root rot preventative- this article would be relevant. I guess that's why I'm sending. Or something. Plus everything from Cap'n is a good read.

Live or Sterile? Why I choose Live
 
Had to cut off damn near every fan leaf and most of others well atleast half of them I'm just gonna let it finish it's flower cycle its on day 44 of flower now and was gonna go atleast 63 days
 
I use hydroguard on my weekly res changes
2ml per gallon
works great I have higher res temps then people like but my temps have caused me no issues
 
I've heard of that gonna have to look more into it but my ac unit keeps my res temps where they need to be but looks like I got another heatwave coming my way so interested in everything regarding heat control
 
Cronichemphog said:
I use hydroguard on my weekly res changes
2ml per gallon
works great I have higher res temps then people like but my temps have caused me no issues
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Yah hydro guard hydroguard ... everyone likes hydro guard... just kidding I hear it is good stuff!

Cronic you dont do anything different to flush when you do res changes?
 
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