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[csudh420]

Thank you so much dog, Mr. Rauben and all the researchers

I got the black lights (2 75w) and we got digital timers (20 on off a day) for more acurate synchonization. I'll have PAD lighting by the end of the week.

Now let me see if I have a correct hypothesis forming...
When leaf shading occurs, uneven light is dispersed into the lower canopy. I then added pure 660nm as a supplimental light source and the use of growing with pure 660nm will cause the "Rauben Effect" otherwise known as hyperchlorillic anemia, more than likely shifting calcium and/or magnesium and causing ph issues and many more isuues, resulting in a slowdown of flower formation, leaf burning and stasis. I also added cfl's, thus dilluting this effect but arriving there none the less, as did everyone.

Jedi master Rauben created a system of lighting, PAD, which cures this through appropriate light intervals and time constants set forth by him and his crew.

So, my final question for you dog is...
with all the far red spectrum ya'll have on mars, how do you get anything grown out there?

 

[dogsnova]

Thank you so much dog, Mr. Rauben and all the researchers

I got the black lights (2 75w) and we got digital timers (20 on off a day) for more acurate synchonization. I'll have PAD lighting by the end of the week.

My question to you is... What timers are you using?.. Yes you need at least 17 on/off times at a minimum but 20 is optimum.. Can you post a link to the timers you have.. Even if we got to copy and paste the link.. It would be helpful to any one wanting to try this.

Now let me see if I have a correct hypothesis forming...
When leaf shading occurs, uneven light is dispersed into the lower canopy. I then added pure 660nm as a supplimental light source and the use of growing with pure 660nm will cause the "Rauben Effect" otherwise known as hyperchlorillic anemia, more than likely shifting calcium and/or magnesium and causing ph issues and many more isuues, resulting in a slowdown of flower formation, leaf burning and stasis. I also added cfl's, thus dilluting this effect but arriving there none the less, as did everyone.
Jedi master Rauben created a system of lighting, PAD, which cures this through appropriate light intervals and time constants set forth by him and his crew.

Yes, seems you understand "Rauber's Disease". quite well..

So, my final question for you dog is...
with all the far red spectrum ya'll have on mars, how do you get anything grown out there?

LOL....Blue light,how else..Even on MARS we need a little PAL lighting..PAD lighting is mostly for flower development and speed. The blue PAL light duration is mostly for root development and stem structure.. Makes for a nice even 24 hour spectrum for the girls...

(PAL) = Photosynthetic Artificial Lighting = any light containing blue
(PAD) = Photosynthetic Artificial Darkness

BUT.... To do this method correctly.. You have your wattages backwards.
You want more watts on the 660/730 (PAD) lighting side and less on (PAL) blue lighting side. The blue light side should be the smaller of the two wattages.. I no, I have it currently backwards in my setup also..300 watts of 660nm led's is not cheap...LOL... Just thought I would put that out there...Sorry man..... It is what it is.. I'm in your same boat.. I use a 400w HPS for the blue light side.. Over kill for sure...The optimum setup is to have the wattages swapped, and if you have to use HID use MH it's better. I'm going to switch to a 175w MH very soon...

Here is an another PAD lighting option for you.. I currently use these bulbs because 660nm led's are so expensive... RED colored cfl's...(AKA) Red party cfl's.. I supplement these with 660nm led's...But the time factor for these bulbs are slightly different then 660nm led's.. But a lot cheaper.. Red party cfl's have a spectrum that is 600nm through 699nm.. So they are not as good as stright 660nm led's.. They give cfl type results if they are used (only) instead of 660nm led's.. The mix is not bad though..

I will even take it one step further.. I'm testing right now with (get this!!!!) RED party cfl's, BLUE party cfl's and a black light..LOL..We are using these bulbs and the 24 hour flowering method. It's doing better then any 12/12 27k cfl flowering Iv'e ever done...LOL... Just some food for thought folks..

 

[csudh420]

We got the timers on ebay for about $15 and they have multiple makers, timex being one. I'll post a link a bit later after I find it.

Rauben's Disease, in my interpretation, has many forms. I guess I like to call our findings with the use of full spectrum panels a form of his disease. Maybe Rauben's Spectural Syndromes or something.

I'm ganna add a bunch of red party lights to my 660's, hehe, thanxs again. I have a couple tents with a 126w only that I'll party out next and then I'll yank the led and sneak in blue party lights, awsome!!!

As far as your Mars grow...
You use uncorrupted supplemantal PAL lighting, green blue alternating with your roof opening with a special adjustable liquid crystal panel exposed to your planet's natural light. The adjustment would be Earthen half hour spectural shifts filtering from 660nm to 730nm, synchronized with the Pal light and fully automated using a thing called an iphone app, something from Earth.

 

[dogsnova]

We got the timers on ebay for about $15 and they have multiple makers, timex being one. I'll post a link a bit later after I find it..

Please do.. I have looked on the bay.. There must be 10,000 to look through...LOL

Rauben's Disease, in my interpretation, has many forms. I guess I like to call our findings with the use of full spectrum panels a form of his disease. Maybe Rauben's Spectural Syndromes or something...

Yes...See you fully understand... LED setups fall into this at the end of the flower.. A little bit off with the plants internal clock each day adds up toooo.."Rauber's Disease". Growing with RED 660nm (only) is it's truest form...LOL

I'm ganna add a bunch of red party lights to my 660's, hehe, thanxs again. I have a couple tents with a 126w only that I'll party out next and then I'll yank the led and sneak in blue party lights, awsome!!! ...

You gotta know your strain.. Red cfl's have a time factor of aprox 4.0. But considering their intensity IMO it's like 2.0..LOL... So if 1/2 of the wattage is red cfl's it drops the PAD time factor to aprox 1.3.. Again you need to know your strain. Adjust the PAD lighting time accordingly. I start out like the time factor is 1.4 just like 660nm/730nm would be. I have found out (by testing) my setup requires 17 hours of PAD lighting with red cfl's in the mix and not 17.5 hours, as it would with straight 660nm led's.. So it's a little different. A little testing and you will be there also..

Blue led's are the way to go, 420nm through 445nm.. Blue party cfl's IMO are for micro grows..But hell give it a try..Blue party cfl's are 400nm through 499nm.. There must be 100 different ways to do this..

Only one CORRECT way though...LOLOLOL 425/660/730

As far as your Mars grow...
You use uncorrupted supplemantal PAL lighting, green blue alternating with your roof opening with a special adjustable liquid crystal panel exposed to your planet's natural light. The adjustment would be Earthen half hour spectural shifts filtering from 660nm to 730nm, synchronized with the Pal light and fully automated using a thing called an iphone app, something from Earth.

Dude are you kidding me...What are you up here tooo?.. I don't see ya.. Yell or something, I'll find ya.. Let's with some of this PAD med's I got...

 

[csudh420]

Dude, martian PAD medicine...Nose Dive!!! Oh wow man, that's the best martian ever! LOL

Here's the the timer...

TIMEX ELECTRIC DIGITAL 7-DAY LIGHT TIMER 140 On/Offs

TIMEX DIGITAL VACATION LIGHT PLUG IN ELECTRIC TIMER

TIMEX ELECTRONIC DIGITAL 7-DAY TIMER RANDOM PROGRAMS

I could yank the T5's to minimize blue wattage and raise the 318 a few inches. I have two 2.5' x 3' gardens going in their 5th week of 12hrs. One garden is indica dominant (bubba and Ice) and the other is sativa dominant (jack the Ripper). Perhaps I'll follow 1.4 then adjust 3 days later. I guess 18hrs. of PAD vs. 17 hrs. is quite a change but tweaking it to find the right match accounts for time phase inconsistencies in the red and black bulbs due to glass manufacturing (if I have that correctly from you). A half hour either way seems to solve this problem.
Then we can work on two others, the same size, I have in veg in other tents under 126w's only.

Some thoughts on martian spectrum...
These Rauben Earth based spectral analysis is based on sunlight, passed through Earthen atmosphere and filtered.
I vote for a seperate chapter on Martian spectrum and we'll call it the Dog Manual on cultivation of Mutant Martian Medican receiving farthest reaching reds unknown anywhere in the universe. It not only adds weight, speed, quality and smell, it also pre-vaporizes itself and can taste like an entire meal, much like that Wonka gum, but without the side effects (he copied you anyhow, hmmph!)

 

[dogsnova]

Some thoughts on martian spectrum...
These Rauben Earth based spectral analysis is based on sunlight, passed through Earthen atmosphere and filtered.
I vote for a seperate chapter on Martian spectrum and we'll call it the Dog Manual on cultivation of Mutant Martian Medican receiving farthest reaching reds unknown anywhere in the universe. It not only adds weight, speed, quality and smell, it also pre-vaporizes itself and can taste like an entire meal, much like that Wonka gum, but without the side effects (he copied you anyhow, hmmph!)

Not quite....They spent the last year teaching me.....They got five Martian years (that's 20 human years) on me for sure and many more years on the knowledge front....LOL

 

[dogsnova]

A half hour either way seems to solve this problem.

Adding one hour of PAD lighting to your schedule usually put's you in the right direction... Just don't go too far. You don't want a 10/14 type of flower in the beginning of flowering..Half hour increments work good

Here is a timer that will work also when the bay auction is gone..20 programs per day/7 day a week
https://www.smarthome.com/20461/Ind...mer-with-Front-LCD-High-Wattage-ET-170/p.aspx

 

[csudh420]

Got one up an runnin Dog, I'm so psyched. I really feel like a kid again (not that I'm old!)

Many apologies to Master Rauber, not Rauben, oops

and Dog, bro, I mean it when I say

 

[dogsnova]

Yes... I'm going to start a tread as soon as the current girls come down.
I'm a MMJ patient in MI so I'm allowed to grow 12 mmj girls. I'm also a caregiver for five other patients witch allows me a total of 72 girls....BUT believe it or not two of the patients don't like the PAD med's.. It's way to strong for them.. So as soon as my PAD section clears out I will start a tread and show everyone how I do it.. So look for it in a couple of weeks ..

Your welcome csudh420... Glad too help

 

[csudh420]

Yes... I'm going to start a tread as soon as the current girls come down.
I'm a MMJ patient in MI so I'm allowed to grow 12 mmj girls. I'm also a caregiver for five other patients witch allows me a total of 72 girls....BUT believe it or not two of the patients don't like the PAD med's.. It's way to strong for them.. So as soon as my PAD section clears out I will start a thread and show everyone how I do it.. So look for it in a couple of weeks ..

Your welcome csudh420... Glad too help

There won't be any strengths issues for my patients. We are Prop 215 all the way. I have 6 sickos, me being the sickoist, so we can have 36 plants in flower and 72 in veg. I could have that number expanded later.

I look forward to your work Dog and there will be much to learn.

 

[sweetherb]

Getting back on topic, I think that a ratio of around 12.5% blue, 7.5% orange and 80% red seems in line with what the more successful panels are using (Irish's grow is the first promising LED grow I have seen with decent buds using only 180w in the Prosource model).

Assuming all the LEDS on a panel would use a 90° angle, the blues are a 50:50 split of 440nm and 470, and the oranges are all around 615nm, my questions are:

1. what ratio of 630nm to 660nm are people using for the red (e.g. Prosource, LGH)?
2. Is going all 660nm in the red a bad idea?

I'd like to get these issues clarified before buying a 300w model direct from China for experimenting in the summer months.

Anyone got any insight?

 

[Bionic]

Bump

 

[go green]

When you get the boxes from china, there is always some kind of code like RRRRWWWWBBBB I am guessing to do with the colors. I have seen two different types such as this from different companies products.

I wish I could help man. You think your going to nail it? Whats the cost estimate on something like that?

-Go-

Keep fighting!

 

[sweetherb]

Right now I am thinking:

7% 440nm blue
7% 470nm blue
6% 615nm orange
30% 630nm red
50% 660nm red

I am thinking of going 120° on the blues and oranges to get a nice even spread and then 90° for all the reds for better flowering penetration. All of this on the standard 300w panel.

I would ideally like to use the 3w 3-chip LEDS too.

I am also more than willing to entertain other ideas. Anyone got any input? Think how cool it would be if we hit the perfect spectrum! And totally open source for anyone to order, with no greedy, lying salespeople!

 

[GrowLEDHydro]

Damn how did I miss this thread!! haha...

I must say this is a very entertaining thread... I wish I could share some of my secrets I have come to find out while putting my panel together.. o' well.. good luck fellas..

 

[logitech227]

Damn how did I miss this thread!! haha...

I must say this is a very entertaining thread... I wish I could share some of my secrets I have come to find out while putting my panel together.. o' well.. good luck fellas..

Hey Mike, I think I have three of those panels....

 

[dogsnova]

Those panels are not doing what I'm talking about... Nice panels though Mike..

As far as secrets go.. I think I've pretty much given out the best kept secret in the LED world IMO... 24 hour flowering of any strain of MMJ and i'm not just talking autoflowers..and aprox doubling the THC content in most strains wile doing it...LOL

 

[go green]

I like the idea of 12/12 from seed therefor cutting back the power...

 

[dogsnova]

I like the idea of 12/12 from seed therefor cutting back the power...

The 24 hour flowering method use less power consumption then a typical HID 12/12 flowering setup believe it or not.. Sorry.... If I forgot to mention that also..

Would you like me to give a typical example...

 

[GrowLEDHydro]

Yeah man you guys have a lot of cool and very interesting information on here.. I know I only tapped into the beginning of what led's can do... Its going to be you guys who move this tech further.. i love reading all the brain storming that goes on and new ideas that come up.. its awesome..

I know I am just another led company trying to make it in this crazy world but if there is anything i can do to help let me know and ill try my best..

Keep up the good work!