DWC & Soil: Verb's Purple Puncher Autos, Mars Hydro TS 1000

[Verbalist]

How punitive is the prohibition in Finland?

It is pretty strict. From possesion you wont the fine every time.

But if found out that you grow - everything which is even related to the growing will be taken.
funny when years ago got caught, it was hot summer and I had every single fan on use (had a growing room) they took them all. And I had like +80L of premixed soil there in a bag. They were both carrying that bag away

 

[Roy Growin]

It is pretty strict. From possesion you wont the fine every time.

But if found out that you grow - everything which is even related to the growing will be taken.
funny when years ago got caught, it was hot summer and I had every single fan on use (had a growing room) they took them all. And I had like +80L of premixed soil there in a bag. They were both carrying that bag away

Hi Verbalist - UK police have a new policy of NOT prosecuting personal grows, unless you are 'making it obvious' (whatever that means) Up to 1oz is considered personal if caught in possession so the boys on the street are all doing 25g deals now
I have a landlord inspection coming up so I will be hiding plants in the fridge, the oven, my car... lol

 

[StoneOtter]

Nice experiment Verb!

 

[FelipeBlu]

I hope that the situation improves for both of you soon!

 

[Verbalist]

12/11 Update continues


A continuation of an earlier post. And a lazy saturday

Tents bout to get crowded soon! PP on DWC spreading out the branches. I have a feeling that I should provide her more concentrated solution (950ppmish current). Her roots are getting massive! When I lift the lid water level drops like a gallon

PP#1 on soil definitely thanking me for flushing the medium. Quick wrap up; run off was showing 4.9 pH and flushed it until it was showing 6.6 pH and 1.5 EC.
Her veg growth has slowed down and flowers are growing vigorously and some sugars visible already.


Date 12/11
Strain(s) Purple Punch auto#1
Day 39
- - -
Tent temp 22.5-23C
Solution/water temp 21C
RH 45%
VPD 1.1kPa
Light(s) Mars Hydro TS 1000 / 18" above @ 100%
- - -
pH 6.7
EC 2.1
TDS -
- - -
* Fertilization & Feed *
Next week is organic week!

And latest feed & irrigation was 12/10:
- 0.45ml/l Cal/Mag
- 1.1ml/l Micro & Grow
- 2.2ml/l Bloom
- 3ml/l Terpinator
+ some beneficials and HG.

And couple pics from past days:

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• Verbalist
• Dec 11, 2021

Purple Punch auto#1
12/11
Day 39 / Week 6

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• Verbalist
• Dec 11, 2021

Purple Punch auto#1
12/10
Sugars on the sugar leaves!

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• Verbalist
• Dec 11, 2021

Purple Punch auto#1
12/10
Day 38

Date 12/11
Strain(s) Purple Punch auto#2 (DWC)
Day 32 / Week 5
- - -
Tent temp 22.5C
Solution/water temp 20C
RH 45%
VPD 1.1kPa
Light(s) TS 1000 / 18" above @ 100%
- - -
pH 5.9
EC 1.8-1.9
TDS 940ppm (bouncing between 890-950ppm depending how much I top)
- - -
* Fertilization & Feed *
Her last reservoir patch was made six days ago and thought it would last for the next 10 days… EC has rised 30% already from the starting point.
Maybe res change 2morrow! Current N ppm is bout 110-120 and could rise up to 150-170 and K could be bumped up to 250ppm.
New shoots could be more firmly so upped N&K would be ditto, right?

I’ve had to tie her down so it is not the most descriptive of all right now. But I guess she gon be huge!

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• Verbalist
• Dec 11, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/11
Day 32 / Week 5
- 15L DWC bucket

Main stalk

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• Verbalist
• Dec 11, 2021

12/11
PP#2 main stalk

Groupie 12/11

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• Verbalist
• Dec 11, 2021

12/11 Puncher groupie!
DWC & Soil

Have a nice saturday 420 fam!
Toke n stay safe


- V

 

[Verbalist]

Hi Verbalist - UK police have a new policy of NOT prosecuting personal grows, unless you are 'making it obvious' (whatever that means) Up to 1oz is considered personal if caught in possession so the boys on the street are all doing 25g deals now
I have a landlord inspection coming up so I will be hiding plants in the fridge, the oven, my car... lol

Street boyz carryin ”light zips” now init.
But yuh haven’t that new policy been out for couple years already in UK?

And lol I feel you. Take those big black garbage bags, when its big enough bag, you can fit a plant inside - so it has a cover when youve gotta cross thru the yard moving them into your car

I hope that the situation improves for both of you soon!

It is still a daily speech and concern in finland. They’ve tried to change the policy for years now. But ’21 year has been close! It will be most likely decrimininalised in couple years so you can grow a plant or two for yourself.
And now days if youre carrying a gram or couple, police wont even seize those every time, if you get for example nickd because of something else… It totally depends entirely on the mood of the officer

Nice experiment Verb!

Thanks brother!
It wouldn’t be an interesting grow if you ain’t testing your limits, or at least something needs to be compared!

This is just a simple plant manipulating tho. Seeking for those big ass dense nugs on DWC one day hopefully this time!

 

[Tokin Roll]

Just got around to catching up on your grow journal. Your ladies looks good now, sorry I wasn't around to help, but you where well taken care of by @FelipeBlu , @Rexer , and others.
Believe it or not poor genetic transfer is not uncommon; most happen by limited knowledge, in a hurry to get to market, weak crosses, and other reasons. Sometimes it just as simple as giving the plant time to fully develop all the seeds.

That is the reason when I order seeds; I want them in the original packaging. Someone to answer issues.

Anyways, enough of my rambling. I will be looking for your updates.

Stay safe, and grow well my friend,

Tok..

 

[Verbalist]

Just got around to catching up on your grow journal. Your ladies looks good now, sorry I wasn't around to help, but you where well taken care of by @FelipeBlu , @Rexer , and others.

Hey Tok! Glad to see you around here
Thanks brother. Ive passed thru the hardest setbacks, and @Rexer @FelipeBlu & @West Hippie has taken good care of me

Believe it or not poor genetic transfer is not uncommon; most happen by limited knowledge, in a hurry to get to market, weak crosses, and other reasons. Sometimes it just as simple as giving the plant time to fully develop all the seeds.

In retrospect I’m like 99% sure they had self bred those particular Critical 2.0 XL seeds.. and they were some half baked with poor genetics, because BOTH hermied…

What supports this concepiton?
I know the store owner and my last Northern Light’s grew (sig link) they asked me to do a ”sponsored review growth” because they had bred those feminized NL’s and offered me a free seeds if I do so, send them pics and tell what it was like to grow.

See these screenshots from the store. See the thumbnail ”Revontulet” - means Northern Lights in Finnish.
Theyve pics of my plants there now:

Same pics can be found from my prev journal as I sent some of the same ones for him.

So thats what got me most annoyed.. They do have skills to breed proper seeds, BUT when I was buying the Criticals, I was obv looking for the legit Garden of Green’s Criticals. And they gave me some half baked beans and claimed (still claiming) they were from GOG seedbank…

Well, at least learnt that never again seeds without an original package. And only from trusted seed banks now on.


Anyway glad to have you on board. I’ll do a proper journal update later todays, as I did the res change yesterday and PP on DWC is bout to start flowering!
So far this growth has been suncha dream. Haven’t had a single actual issue with dwc, nor does the plant.
Probably shouldn’t say that, if I jinx myself now

…Have to knock the wood now, you know

 

[Verbalist]

12/13 Journal update



Monday 420 fam!

Purple Punches punchin' forward. PP#1 on soil stayed smaller than I expected. Her vertical growth has slowed down and almost stopped. Buds are slowly starting to hulk up and shes put winter coat on! More and more sugars laying on the leaves.
She going to produce thick colas!

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• Verbalist
• Dec 13, 2021

Purple Punch auto#1
12/13
Day 41

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• Verbalist
• Dec 13, 2021
• barney's farm

Purple Punch auto#1
12/13
Day 41 above ground
Week 6

PP#2 DWC
Yesterday did a res change and new patch is:
- 1ml/l GHE Micro
- 2ml/l Grow
- 1.25ml/l Bloom
- 2ml/l Terpinator
- 0.5ml/l HG, + beneficials, 1ml B’cuzz Silic boost

Gives me ppm values of:
N: 130ppm (N:K almost 1:2 )
P: 37ppm
K: 245ppm (K:Ca ratio close to 2:1 )
Ca: 82ppm + 19 tap water
Mg: 61ppm
S: 72ppm
Fe: 1.9ppm
Si: 40ppm

Ending EC: 1.8 / TDS: 940ppm

Overnight she drank about litre or quart gallon you’d say. She also ate 80ppm worth of something!
So the morning res check:
- Water level drop ~1L
- ppm falling (80ppm)
- pH also had fallen from 5.9 to 5.6

Topped with 1L water mixed with 2ml Terpinator, so brought EC back to 1.8

She definitely thanking me about the new res! Lower branches and new shoots will hit it any day.
Some more LST:ing

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• Verbalist
• Dec 13, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/13
Day 34
Week 5

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• Verbalist
• Dec 13, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/13
Pistils

And todays groupie

Safe!
- V

 

[FelipeBlu]

N: 130ppm (N:K almost 1:2 )

That’s a wonderful mix!


Looking really healthy, V!
Topping up with a little more K is probably a good thing since K is likely being rapidly consumed from the reservoir.

Here’s a little light reading for you on maintaining a recirculating hydroponic system.

BTW, in case it’s been a while since chem lab - to convert mM to ppm:

Look up molar mass of elements on periodic table.

1M = molar mass (in g) per liter of solution

1 ppm = 1 mg (10-3 g)/L

Example

Molar mass of K = 39
1M = 39g/L = 39,000 ppm
1mM = 1 x 10-3 M = 39 ppm

 

[Verbalist]

That’s a wonderful mix!


Looking really healthy, V!

Thank you brother ”old way” I’d just measure like half or 3/4 strength from the bottle recommendations. But its funny, now days I take a spreadsheet to calculate separate each variations for each element. So I can make a patch with particular ppm values. Before I measure anything…
Calculated grow & micro dose balanced until I got the wanted N ppm value. Then bloom for the P&K etc.. and thanks to you for teaching me the calculation formulas.
Understanding these things makes hydro growing a lot more easier and more rewarding, when everything is basicly under control and knowing how to manage it.

Here’s a little light reading for you on maintaining a recirculating hydroponic system.

Casual 20 page read, but the first two pages was already promising, so definitely taking deeper look into.

1M = molar mass (in g) per liter of solution

1 ppm = 1 mg (10-3 g)/L

That makes sense when:

Examples of refill solution concentration calculations.
An analysis of the mass balance of potassium (K) is useful to demonstrate recovery
in plant tissue.
Case # 1. Assume a transpiration to dry-mass growth ratio of 300:1 and a desired K
concentration in the plant of 4% (40 g kg-1). For every kg of plant growth, 300 Liters of
solution went through the plant, so there must be 40 g of K in 300 Liters of refill solution,
or 0.133 g L-1. The molar mass (atomic weight) of K is 39 g mol-1. The refill solution must
have 0.133 / 39 = 0.0034 moles L-1 of K in it, or 3.4 mM K.

Makes calculating easier when I’m using pretty close to 10L water in my reservoir.

Gotta love you! tossing these scientific infos makes me wonder that I could be a chemist one day.
Portfolio chemistry doctrine: from growing weed.

 

[FelipeBlu]

Thank you brother ”old way” I’d just measure like half or 3/4 strength from the bottle recommendations. But its funny, now days I take a spreadsheet to calculate separate each variations for each element. So I can make a patch with particular ppm values. Before I measure anything…
Calculated grow & micro dose balanced until I got the wanted N ppm value. Then bloom for the P&K etc.. and thanks to you for teaching me the calculation formulas.
Understanding these things makes hydro growing a lot more easier and more rewarding, when everything is basicly under control and knowing how to manage it.


Casual 20 page read, but the first two pages was already promising, so definitely taking deeper look into.


That makes sense when:

Makes calculating easier when I’m using pretty close to 10L water in my reservoir.

Gotta love you! tossing these scientific infos makes me wonder that I could be a chemist one day.
Portfolio chemistry doctrine: from growing weed.

I just knew you would appreciate it!

 

[Verbalist]

I just knew you would appreciate it!

Yes indeed bruddah!

Just did the evening routines: pH and ppm check & adjustments plus topping if needed.
So she had eaten ~130ppm worth of something! Water level dropped during the day only like 1L but 127ppm drop, she definitely said good bye to the diets and healthy regimes. Get fat green little pig!

She lil tired

 

[FelipeBlu]

Heya V - congrats on your Member of the Month nomination!

You have come a long way in a short time - from 420 newbie to helping others!

 

[Verbalist]

12/16 Journal update

Heya V - congrats on your Member of the Month nomination!

You have come a long way in a short time - from 420 newbie to helping others!

Thank you Felipe! Just checked the thread and, Im so honored that my name even got there Who ever has submitted my name and voted for me, Im truly thankful. Christmas spirit at its best!
Also saw YOUR name there once again, and you can guess who I voted for (not to mention that all the candidates for this month are sucha great persons)

And one more time, Im so honored if I’ve had a helpful impact. Thats all I want. Back in the days joined here because the forum had tons of great info and friendly looking community. So first came here seeking answears, and hopefully in turn I will share them now.


So let’s get to the journal.
Was shopping at my local hydrostore and found this @Remo Nutrients Astro Flower ”bloom booster”/blooming beneficial with sucha great NPK values.
1-6-11, almost as a normal PK booster, but much lower P%, which is just what I was lookin for.
Since many studies has proven by now that over ~50ppm of P doesn’t really grant any better yields — and the higher goes the P ppm values, the greater is the risk to lockout something else. So this definitely meets my needs. GHE Grow will be replaced completely with Astro flower and Bloom dosage will be most likely reduced.

Purple Punch on DWC thrives and shes making sucha jungle:

Date 12/16
Strain(s) Purple Punch auto#2
Day 37 / Week 6
- - -
Tent temp 23.5C
(DWC)
Water level ~1.5L down
Prev PPM 910
Current PPM 930
Reservoir pH changes pH drop / from 5.9 to 5.6
Solution/water temp 20C
RH 45%
VPD ~1.2kPa
Light(s) Mars Hydro TS 1000 @ 100% / 15" above
- - -
pH 6
EC 1.8
TDS
- - -
* Fertilization & Feed *
-

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• Verbalist
• Dec 16, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/16
Day 37 above ground

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• Verbalist
• Dec 16, 2021

PP#2
12/16
Day 37 - Pistils

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• Verbalist
• Dec 16, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/14
Day 35 above ground

Date 12/16
Strain(s) Purple Punch auto#1
Day 44
- - -
Tent temp 23.5C
Solution/water temp -
RH 45%
VPD -
Light(s) Mars Hydro TS 1000
- - -
pH 6.5
EC 2.3
TDS -
- - -
* Fertilization & Feed *
This week was an organic test, how she likes it. Ive fed around 2-2.3EC worth of Bio’s Grow & Bloom.

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• Verbalist
• Dec 16, 2021

Purple Punch auto#1
12/14
Day 42 above ground

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• Verbalist
• Dec 16, 2021

PP#1
12/16
Winter coat!

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• Verbalist
• Dec 16, 2021
• barney's farm

Purple Punch auto#1
12/16
Day 44 above ground

Been kinda busy lately so updates lacking and got a lot to catch up with.


Safe!

- V

 

[Verbalist]

12/19 Journal update

*Creating the V-Blend & own dedicated Bloom formula*


Hello 420 and growers!
It has been a busy week and christmas is right behind the door.
Been working for my own dedicated Bloom nutrient formulation. Calling it a V-Blend
Firstly many thanks to @FelipeBlu for sharing the huge nutrient profile calculator, which made the fine tuning and some of the calculations easier. (If you’d like to get your hands on it, I could PM you the spreadsheet. Just ask if interested)

Ive been exploring and doing some research for the most common elements and their needs during the flowering.
The values may vary, and their need may vary from plant to plant. So all these values and combinations are created based on my own ”studies” and for my needs.

• Nitrogen (N): Especially in hydro growing Ive found out that steady supply of N during the whole bloom cycle grants the best results and longest possible plants life cycle. Aiming to keep N ppm values between 100-150ppm during the whole flowering cycle. Nitrogen amongst with others will be dropped completely out week/couple days before the chop.
• Phosphorus (P): a lot of conflicting information regarding P. Studies has shown that over 50ppm of P does not grant better yields, but in return for all the PK additives and formulas recommends a lot higher Phosphorus values during the peak flowering. So I’ll be using the golden mean between 50-80ppm of P.
• Potassium (K): Potassium availability might vary a lot depending on other nutrients. Generally any fruiting crops require from 150ppm to ~300ppm of K. I’m aiming to keep N:K ratio 1:2/1:3 and Ca:K close to ~1:2, so V-Blend Potassium ppm values going to be between 250-330ppm.
• Calcium (Ca): Any excessive Ca inhibits other nutrients uptake and the transpiration. When having VPD on point, I guess ~120ppm of Ca should be enough. Aiming to keep Calcium ppm values between 80-150ppm. And values will be increased only if a deficiency occurs.
• Magnesium (Mg): Most effective range during the fruiting seem to be 50-70ppm - and thats what aiming for. Over 100ppm has reported to produces less dry product than values above.
• Sulphur (S): Haven’t really studied how much S has an overall effect on floral development. So a bit wider range here 50-200ppm
• Silic (Si): Not a necessary element, but it has been proven to improve crops overall mass and strength. Resist against diseases etc. Aiming for 30-50ppm which seem to be most effective.
• Rest macronutrients: Added in trace amounts, with bottle recommendations. For example Fe is between 1.5-2.5ppm

Mixing up the formula:

- Tap water / starting TDS: 105ppm

#1. 1.5ml/l GHE Micro: N: 92ppm, K: 20ppm, Ca: 110ppm & rest trace elements.
#2. 1.25ml/l GHE Bloom: P: 30ppm, K: 48ppm, Mg: 43ppm & S: 72ppm
#3. 1.35ml/l Remo’s Astro: N: 14ppm, P: 38ppm, K: 131ppm & S: 15ppm
#4. 1ml/l GHE Grow: N: 33ppm, P: 5ppm, K: 55ppm & Mg: 7ppm
#5. 1.75ml/l Terpinator: K: 58ppm

N: 142ppm
P: 74ppm
K: 313ppm
Ca: 110ppm + 19tap water
Mg: 50ppm
S: 87ppm

- 0.75g of GHE Silica for: Si: 33ppm + extra 12ppm of Ca & Fe: 1.2ppm
- 0.4ml B’cuzz Silic boost for extra 40ppm of Si
+ Hydroguard and beneficials

Ending EC: 2.0 / TDS: 1020ppm

PP#2 Day 40:

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• Verbalist
• Dec 19, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/19
Day 40 above ground
Week 6

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• Verbalist
• Dec 19, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/19
Bud set

PP#2 12/19 ROOOTS!

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• Verbalist
• Dec 19, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/19
DWC Super Roots!

PP#2 Day 39:

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• Verbalist
• Dec 19, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/18
Day 39

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• Verbalist
• Dec 19, 2021

Purple Punch auto#2
12/18
Day 39
*sideview*

Later more about PP#1 on soil!
Have a nice sunday


V

 

[LKABudMan]

Wow, great post. I have been studying nutrient formulation lately, and that is a lot of great information. Thanks.

Oh, pp2 is looking beautiful. Nice roots!

Happy Growing.

 

[Verbalist]

Wow, great post. I have been studying nutrient formulation lately, and that is a lot of great information. Thanks.

Oh, pp2 is looking beautiful. Nice roots!

Happy Growing.

Thank you BudMan!
Most of them should be pretty accurate ranges for flowering cannabis plants. Phosphorus could be low as 30-50ppm during the whole flowering and should grant same yields than example 130ppm of P.
Heres great read about it at cannabis business times: How to Optimize Phosphorus Fertility for Cannabis

And ye roots are white as baby jesus.
Haven’t lift the lid since last reservoir change and today when I lift it off the whole root mass was square shaped Didn’t see that one comming

 

[Verbalist]

12/19 Continues


Date 12/19
Strain(s) Purple Punch auto#1
Day 47 / Week 7
- - -
Tent temp 24C
Solution/water temp -
RH 48%
VPD 1.2kPa
Light(s) Mars Hydro TS 1000
- - -
pH 6.5
EC 2.1
TDS -
- - -
* Fertilization & Feed *
@Remo Nutrients Astro Flower added to the feeding regime. And she definitely loves it.
Been feeding about 2-2.2 EC solution, same kind of mix as the PP#2 reservoir has. and every other time just plain pH’d tap water for 10-20% runoff to maintain +6pH soil.

Nothing much to mention. Shes swelling nicely and trichomes stacking up.
I’d guess two more weeks and shes ready to chop.

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• Verbalist
• Dec 19, 2021

Purple Punch auto#1
12/18
Day 46

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• Verbalist
• Dec 19, 2021
• purple punch auto

Purple Punch auto#1
12/19
Day 47

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• Verbalist
• Dec 19, 2021

12/18
No purp, but punches!

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• Verbalist
• Dec 19, 2021

Purple Punch auto#1
12/19
The structure

Safe!


- V

 

[FelipeBlu]

0.75g of GHE Silica for: Si: 33ppm + extra 12ppm of Ca & Fe: 1.2ppm
- 0.4ml B’cuzz Silic boost for extra 40ppm of Si

Heya V!

I’m sure you know this, but for the benefit of others - always add silica products first - before CalMag and Micro - and mix in very well.

Looking fantastic!