how many times a day to you water them? the yellow and droopiness would be caused by overfeeding them.
DWC Bubbler Grow Tent First Attempt
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i cut it back to once a day man... the rockwool is still pretty damn wet from day 1 tho ill tell u that
if you saw roots startingto form i would mist if anything or even cut back to once every 2 days to let the rock wool dry not all the way through but to were the have just enough moisture.remember your only misting cause there are no roots if roots are popping out and the rockwools moiste then 1 ever 2 days should be good.or at least thats the way i do it, and dont be afraid to take the lid off here and there, just dont forget to put it back on.(and yes thats from experience..lol)
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butcher: right on man! thanks dude... feel a lil better bout what im doin here then, rock
your knowledge is always appreciated here man
your knowledge is always appreciated here man
no prob. Just dont give up on those babies they'll pull through.
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update veg day 35!
so first well have the hopefully female plant... btw that thing that i could SWORE was male flowers so turned out to be the new growth that happens at that "elbow" like, (like where new shoots come from ya kno?) it just like mustve been outta whack and was coming straight off the side instead of up where its spose to... god im glad that i: A. didnt chop her down and stomp her into the ground and B. use this forum journal (420mag ROCKS!!!) thanks guys!
^^ heres a real good shot of WHY YOU SHOULD LST!!!!!... the string/cord is brown and off to the right, its still tied down, just really hard to tell the difference b/w leaf stem and it :/
so many budsite possibilities.....
and for these pathetic excuses for clones... doubt theyll make it, and as you can see i already have 5 seeds planted in rw waiting to peek out.. plan on doing 5 more, 10 altogether
and surprisingly, this one actually has a few couple inch long roots (LOL).. still doubt itll sprout new leaves, the ones in the background were its at one time..
so thats that. idk why the clones are so wilted, yellow, burnt?... anyone any ideas? ive never cloned before so :/
thats why im gonna go with seeds and i want to make sure i get a few females so thats why im doing 10.. ive got room for 4 or 5 females in flowering so.
FUTURE PLANS: so this week my light will come. i plan on flowering that plant as soon as i get the light in (400w hps) in the tent. hopefully by then ill have a COUPLE leaf nodes on the babies if not ill keep them in that tray/dome til we're good.
now that lil space is all i have for veg, so i was deciding on how i was gonna veg 10 plants there.. what ima do is a flood and drain table and im going to have all of them in their own net pots filled with hydroton. that way, ill put them in flower once im through with this one (hopefully its female and it takes awhile =D) and once they show, ill be able to take the net pots out of the flood table and put them directly in their own buckets for dwc buckets like i have this one now.
for my space available this seems to be the simplest space efficient method, watchu guys think??
so first well have the hopefully female plant... btw that thing that i could SWORE was male flowers so turned out to be the new growth that happens at that "elbow" like, (like where new shoots come from ya kno?) it just like mustve been outta whack and was coming straight off the side instead of up where its spose to... god im glad that i: A. didnt chop her down and stomp her into the ground and B. use this forum journal (420mag ROCKS!!!) thanks guys!
^^ heres a real good shot of WHY YOU SHOULD LST!!!!!... the string/cord is brown and off to the right, its still tied down, just really hard to tell the difference b/w leaf stem and it :/
so many budsite possibilities.....
and for these pathetic excuses for clones... doubt theyll make it, and as you can see i already have 5 seeds planted in rw waiting to peek out.. plan on doing 5 more, 10 altogether
and surprisingly, this one actually has a few couple inch long roots (LOL).. still doubt itll sprout new leaves, the ones in the background were its at one time..
so thats that. idk why the clones are so wilted, yellow, burnt?... anyone any ideas? ive never cloned before so :/
thats why im gonna go with seeds and i want to make sure i get a few females so thats why im doing 10.. ive got room for 4 or 5 females in flowering so.
FUTURE PLANS: so this week my light will come. i plan on flowering that plant as soon as i get the light in (400w hps) in the tent. hopefully by then ill have a COUPLE leaf nodes on the babies if not ill keep them in that tray/dome til we're good.
now that lil space is all i have for veg, so i was deciding on how i was gonna veg 10 plants there.. what ima do is a flood and drain table and im going to have all of them in their own net pots filled with hydroton. that way, ill put them in flower once im through with this one (hopefully its female and it takes awhile =D) and once they show, ill be able to take the net pots out of the flood table and put them directly in their own buckets for dwc buckets like i have this one now.
for my space available this seems to be the simplest space efficient method, watchu guys think??
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why bother switching to dwc?... i like dwc better cuz theyre all seperate in case of bad new blues.. plus since this is my first time getting to toy with all these hydro nutes and stuff, im going to experiment the shit outta all of em... some lower ppms some higher ppms try different kinds of nutes, all that jazzzz...
ALSO: what should i know about switching from veg to flower? what kind of nutes should i start with?... still use veg nutes WITH flower nutes?.. additives?.. youre spose to use a 24 dark period in between i think? (<-- ive never done that with previous grows btw)..
any suggestions are awesome guys thanks
ALSO: what should i know about switching from veg to flower? what kind of nutes should i start with?... still use veg nutes WITH flower nutes?.. additives?.. youre spose to use a 24 dark period in between i think? (<-- ive never done that with previous grows btw)..
any suggestions are awesome guys thanks
WeedyMcWeedWeed
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i followed my FF nute chart for the most part. Grow Big is 6-4-4. this is the N. you use this through out veg. along with Big Bloom .01-.3-.7. you pretty much use through whole grow.
ok, so when i switched to flower the first two weeks of 12/12 you stop with the GB and use Tiger Bloom 2-8-4. after 2 weeks it uses GB again, for 2 weeks, but also with the TB & BB. but this is soil, the hydro chart doesnt go back to the GB. when you go to 12/12 you flush and go to flower nutes. idk what nutes you use so i cant tell you, but i will say when i went to flower w/ my DWC i just used flower nutes. but FF has solubles like Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz, and Cha Ching, with high NPK. I have all three but only have the canister of OS. & its 5-45-19. these probably help, but its still all mainly P & K.
sorry for the rambling im HIGH AS FUCK. lmao. i just smoked a fatass joint of my tron weed thats been curing for i think 3 weeks now. WOW. i like
about the clones idk. my guess is over water, and under nuted. are they crispy?
ok, so when i switched to flower the first two weeks of 12/12 you stop with the GB and use Tiger Bloom 2-8-4. after 2 weeks it uses GB again, for 2 weeks, but also with the TB & BB. but this is soil, the hydro chart doesnt go back to the GB. when you go to 12/12 you flush and go to flower nutes. idk what nutes you use so i cant tell you, but i will say when i went to flower w/ my DWC i just used flower nutes. but FF has solubles like Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz, and Cha Ching, with high NPK. I have all three but only have the canister of OS. & its 5-45-19. these probably help, but its still all mainly P & K.
sorry for the rambling im HIGH AS FUCK. lmao. i just smoked a fatass joint of my tron weed thats been curing for i think 3 weeks now. WOW. i like
about the clones idk. my guess is over water, and under nuted. are they crispy?
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no.. theyre not crispy dude.. they lookk it but theyre not, it stays pretty humid in the dome..
thanks for all that man, im jus gonna cruise down to the dro store tomorrow and see if hell gimme the setup.. i got an unexpected bonus from work a couple days ago, so maybe ill splurge n get all setup nute-wise...
and Righteous my friend.. cant wait to fucking Get Stoned! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! .. especially offa my own buddha damn.......... o well 2 months n like 3 weeeks to go
thanks for all that man, im jus gonna cruise down to the dro store tomorrow and see if hell gimme the setup.. i got an unexpected bonus from work a couple days ago, so maybe ill splurge n get all setup nute-wise...
and Righteous my friend.. cant wait to fucking Get Stoned! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! .. especially offa my own buddha damn.......... o well 2 months n like 3 weeeks to go
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and a little birdie told me something about a DIY ebb and flow table that I would love to see
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take care my friend
.and a little birdie told me something about a DIY ebb and flow table that I would love to see
.take care my friend
hey man,
hang in there, your clones aren't dead yet and still have a chance. it looks to me like the wilting on the leaves may be too much humidity. . . if they have inch long roots, you probably should have started to harden them off by now. How long ago did you take them again?? i would start by removing the top, or taking them out of the dome if you want your seeds in high humidity still, and waiting until you see them start to sag, then put the top back on (or them under) you will increase the time as they begin to "harden off" and will take longer intervals. then its just a waiting game to see the roots pop out of the cylinder. then of course time to transplant.
about the DWC, it is true what you said about isolation = no cross contamination, etc, and that is definitely one of the strong points of doing it this way. . . but after you get your 400W (congrats by the way, big step up, hope your planning ventilation) and move to 6 plants, now you'll have to check PH and EC/TDS 6 different times. have to mix 6 different tanks. some plants will be more hungry than others, so you have to top off at different intervals and so on. you will know the benefits of having a control unit after you get this big whether you have one or not. lol. you still dont need one at this size so its your choice so thats good. if you ever got to pit's size or something that big, you wouldn't even have a choice to monitor that many tanks. also if you grew big plants like over 3 feet, it gets hard to pop the top to top off or change. . . i did the empty bucket swap, but then i started filling the empty with water and a flush product to soak while i did the work. i liked that even if it wasted a bit of flush.
well, try that out on the clones that have roots already, and good luck bro, i got work to do in my own garden.
hang in there, your clones aren't dead yet and still have a chance. it looks to me like the wilting on the leaves may be too much humidity. . . if they have inch long roots, you probably should have started to harden them off by now. How long ago did you take them again?? i would start by removing the top, or taking them out of the dome if you want your seeds in high humidity still, and waiting until you see them start to sag, then put the top back on (or them under) you will increase the time as they begin to "harden off" and will take longer intervals. then its just a waiting game to see the roots pop out of the cylinder. then of course time to transplant.
about the DWC, it is true what you said about isolation = no cross contamination, etc, and that is definitely one of the strong points of doing it this way. . . but after you get your 400W (congrats by the way, big step up, hope your planning ventilation) and move to 6 plants, now you'll have to check PH and EC/TDS 6 different times. have to mix 6 different tanks. some plants will be more hungry than others, so you have to top off at different intervals and so on. you will know the benefits of having a control unit after you get this big whether you have one or not. lol. you still dont need one at this size so its your choice so thats good. if you ever got to pit's size or something that big, you wouldn't even have a choice to monitor that many tanks. also if you grew big plants like over 3 feet, it gets hard to pop the top to top off or change. . . i did the empty bucket swap, but then i started filling the empty with water and a flush product to soak while i did the work. i liked that even if it wasted a bit of flush.
well, try that out on the clones that have roots already, and good luck bro, i got work to do in my own garden.
p.s. over watering was a good guess to. . . i didn't mention it because i think we talked about that before, so i figured you were letting them dry 75-85% before rewatering, if you were doing this than thats not it, but if you forgot, that could make these guys look like they do.
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IMO with DWC and clones/seelings, you gotta pump water up from res onto the cube or around it every hour or so to keep it wet tell you see roots out bottom of net pot
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alriiight.. wheel o' fortune: yeah youre so right man.. shoulda started workin on gettin em hardened off for awhile now.. see i thot it was gonna take like 2 weeks or so i figured i was way ahead of schedule but bah... idk, its tricky.. i got 2, and i topped them to have new growth show, which i THINK will work.. my pics im about to post arent gonna get close enough to show any of that but nonetheless i think itll work..
the 2 i have, have roots poppin outta the cylinder i think theyre good..
and ventilation you say?.. after a page or 3 long talk with Sun & co. about it, im definitely going to be ventilating for sure.. im in tight quarters in my closet (which i spent like 4 hours in setting all this sh*t up!!! ba;slkdhf;js!!!!) so ventilation will be key.. i could DEF go no more watts than 400 in there egad........ i plan on using duct booster fans for the moment til i can afford some nice inline can fans =D
Sun: --->
short story here in the middle of pics.. that lil extra rw in there, i know what youre thinking.. "wtf?".. well i had 8 altogether and only enough hydroton and pots for 7... it was a tough call b/c i still had that rooted clone that has NO leaves on it.. so it was either that lame-ass clone or a germ'ed seed not yet sprouted but planted... i decided to use the clone.. it looks like its got t-i-n-y lil leaves coming so lets hope it doesnt burn me... i think thatd be Awesome if that thing lives honestly.. but yea i still had an extra live round so i threw it in there, see what happens why not.. ill end up pitchin it but whatev
if i was a true d-i-y'er i woulda took pics the whole time i was puttin this together.. sorry guys already done :/ ... but its the 2 blue rubbermaid tubs i had one on top the other with a pump in the bottom.. i shoulda seperated the INTAKE and the..... "EXHALE/EXHAUST" of the water into the "tray" but them being so close together helps out with putting holes in the res :/ ...
also, since that tub was badnewsblues last time cuz of light penetrating.. i simply took the lil inside "floor" of the tent and used it to cover it, which should be super light tight now =D... i also had to cut a slit in that to put the fittings down to reach the rez...
hope im not completely losing you guys, im tired as shit, this took foreverrrrr
heres some pretty plant pics tho!
isnt it so cool to see your lovelies outside of their usual habitat in your bathroom or kitchen in full lighting to really get a feel for what they look like?..... (maybe its just me?)
and in her (hopefully!!) home... NOTE: dont ask where that ductworks going..
i put her in there n zipped up.. light will be here tomorrow afternoon so ill set it up then and fire it up .. thisll give her a long dark period before 12/12 begins
just changed the rez for new nutes as well.. changed the lineup (yeah a lil risky, she may stunt for a min but its cool, i wanted to get away from AN) from advanced to botanicare.
the botanicare RIPE doesnt call for any Grow nutes mixed with it for the first week of flowering, so i went with that.. i figured the more i didnt have to MIX AN and botanicare the better aye?...
so i got RIPE, SWEET (citrus), and BLAST OFF (i think?..)... mixed to a 900ppm.. figured id lower it a lil since it WAS at 1150-1200... with the new nutes and all its probably for the better..
well if THAT didnt put you guys to sleep then youre troopers (or havent hit that doobie yet =D)... ill def be posting pics with new light tomorrow so until then
the 2 i have, have roots poppin outta the cylinder i think theyre good..
and ventilation you say?.. after a page or 3 long talk with Sun & co. about it, im definitely going to be ventilating for sure.. im in tight quarters in my closet (which i spent like 4 hours in setting all this sh*t up!!! ba;slkdhf;js!!!!) so ventilation will be key.. i could DEF go no more watts than 400 in there egad........ i plan on using duct booster fans for the moment til i can afford some nice inline can fans =D
Sun: --->
short story here in the middle of pics.. that lil extra rw in there, i know what youre thinking.. "wtf?".. well i had 8 altogether and only enough hydroton and pots for 7... it was a tough call b/c i still had that rooted clone that has NO leaves on it.. so it was either that lame-ass clone or a germ'ed seed not yet sprouted but planted... i decided to use the clone.. it looks like its got t-i-n-y lil leaves coming so lets hope it doesnt burn me... i think thatd be Awesome if that thing lives honestly.. but yea i still had an extra live round so i threw it in there, see what happens why not.. ill end up pitchin it but whatev
if i was a true d-i-y'er i woulda took pics the whole time i was puttin this together.. sorry guys already done :/ ... but its the 2 blue rubbermaid tubs i had one on top the other with a pump in the bottom.. i shoulda seperated the INTAKE and the..... "EXHALE/EXHAUST" of the water into the "tray" but them being so close together helps out with putting holes in the res :/ ...
also, since that tub was badnewsblues last time cuz of light penetrating.. i simply took the lil inside "floor" of the tent and used it to cover it, which should be super light tight now =D... i also had to cut a slit in that to put the fittings down to reach the rez...
hope im not completely losing you guys, im tired as shit, this took foreverrrrr
heres some pretty plant pics tho!
isnt it so cool to see your lovelies outside of their usual habitat in your bathroom or kitchen in full lighting to really get a feel for what they look like?..... (maybe its just me?)
and in her (hopefully!!) home... NOTE: dont ask where that ductworks going..
i put her in there n zipped up.. light will be here tomorrow afternoon so ill set it up then and fire it up .. thisll give her a long dark period before 12/12 begins
just changed the rez for new nutes as well.. changed the lineup (yeah a lil risky, she may stunt for a min but its cool, i wanted to get away from AN) from advanced to botanicare.
the botanicare RIPE doesnt call for any Grow nutes mixed with it for the first week of flowering, so i went with that.. i figured the more i didnt have to MIX AN and botanicare the better aye?...
so i got RIPE, SWEET (citrus), and BLAST OFF (i think?..)... mixed to a 900ppm.. figured id lower it a lil since it WAS at 1150-1200... with the new nutes and all its probably for the better..
well if THAT didnt put you guys to sleep then youre troopers (or havent hit that doobie yet =D)... ill def be posting pics with new light tomorrow so until then
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Odorous
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o and BTW...
i have the timer set on about 6 or times a day to flood the table for 15 minutes...
too much ?
too little ?
i have the timer set on about 6 or times a day to flood the table for 15 minutes...
too much ?
too little ?
WeedyMcWeedWeed
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idk ive never done it. but for ebb and gro, its 4 times a day. idk about this im sure someone will chime in.
but everythings looking good man. keep it up. looks like the DWC buckets working out for you.
but everythings looking good man. keep it up. looks like the DWC buckets working out for you.
Nice job on the DIY ebb and flow!!!
I'm sure someone will chime in on the pump schedule.
Are you going to run an air stone in the res to oxygenate the solution?
I'm sure someone will chime in on the pump schedule.
Are you going to run an air stone in the res to oxygenate the solution?
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hell yeah thanks weedy!
yeah i love that bucket.. its the simplest method so far that works really well
and thanks for the timing.. i think 4 times a day is appropriate.. i guess (if anyones gonna actually chime in n fill me in) itd help to know that lights are on 24/0 so, any helps appreciated!
yeah i love that bucket.. its the simplest method so far that works really well
and thanks for the timing.. i think 4 times a day is appropriate.. i guess (if anyones gonna actually chime in n fill me in) itd help to know that lights are on 24/0 so, any helps appreciated!
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hey sun! thanks bro!!
yup already ran the airstone in there =D
i think i wanna get another air pump tho.. this one will work for the rest of THIS setup.. but eventually ill use this one just for the ebb flow rez and get another one just for the few buckets ill need
thanks for stoppin in to check it out man!
btw, the pumps t o o o o o s t r o n g
it pumps water almost high enough to hit the light when it first starts up!! haa, yeah gotta figure that out still........................
yup already ran the airstone in there =D
i think i wanna get another air pump tho.. this one will work for the rest of THIS setup.. but eventually ill use this one just for the ebb flow rez and get another one just for the few buckets ill need
thanks for stoppin in to check it out man!
btw, the pumps t o o o o o s t r o n g
it pumps water almost high enough to hit the light when it first starts up!! haa, yeah gotta figure that out still........................
i flood 6 times a day(15m/6xday), but runs at an angle. As far as the pump running strong You can but a control nozzle for that.your going to insatll it at the base, you just dont want to suffocate it and burn your motor on your pump.And nice upgrade brother! and that plant looks like a nice bush with that new light it will flourish in the lumens. I would get some clones from the droshop if you can, harden em off and throw them in flower with your current one if you have the room, they wont get huge or anything but a lil more dro is always good as long as you want to stay within the legal numbers,just a thought.+rep
