DWC Auto Closet

[GrasshopperLimps]

Looks trippy already

 

[423]

Ph 5.7
Ppm 500

 

[Rexer]

Looking good and hungry. I wouldn't over do the defoliation, but I tend to overdue it with bushiness.

What made you say the nutes were too strong?

I don't really use foiliar spray myself (though I think most do use it). What are you using in it again? Just cal mag? If so what kind...

All in all they look good and are progressing. Something weird is going on with your ph swings going down? Sorry rough day....
If you keep seeing that, try a res change and leave the si out. If not done properly it can cause issues...you can always add it in next reservoir, it's not an essential and leaving it out on one res might help troubleshoot.

 

[423]

Looking good and hungry. I wouldn't over do the defoliation, but I tend to overdue it with bushiness.

What made you say the nutes were too strong?

I don't really use foiliar spray myself (though I think most do use it). What are you using in it again? Just cal mag? If so what kind...

All in all they look good and are progressing. Something weird is going on with your ph swings going down? Sorry rough day....
If you keep seeing that, try a res change and leave the si out. If not done properly it can cause issues...you can always add it in next reservoir, it's not an essential and leaving it out on one res might help troubleshoot.

The foliar spray is mostly for the soil plant, its been an ongoing issue with pale new growth, compounded by a soilmix that seems to hold a lot of moisture so upping nutes by watering more could cause more problems.
It's the first time I've tried foliar feed.
Im using calmag plus at 1ml to 300ml ro water. I couldn't find any recipes or guide as to how strong to make it or how often.
I wasn't sure what would be good, but I had calmag plus, liquid karma, or the byoag cytoplus, it seemed like Id be less likely to hurt anything with the calmag.
I've thought it could likley be low nitrogen or iron and the calmag plus could help with either.
Ill probably be stoping the spray becouse of flowering, I think it was helpfull. But I'm afraid it was just a bandaid to another problem.

On the dwc the ph issue is more when I first change the resavoir the ph drops. The last time suprised me becouse of the large jump im ppm's they increased over 100 ppm quickly.
Once the resavoir has had a couple days it seems to stay in a good range longer. It's made me think of doing changes less often. I try to completley change weekly.

 

[Rexer]

The foliar spray is mostly for the soil plant, its been an ongoing issue with pale new growth, compounded by a soilmix that seems to hold a lot of moisture so upping nutes by watering more could cause more problems.
It's the first time I've tried foliar feed.
Im using calmag plus at 1ml to 300ml ro water. I couldn't find any recipes or guide as to how strong to make it or how often.
I wasn't sure what would be good, but I had calmag plus, liquid karma, or the byoag cytoplus, it seemed like Id be less likely to hurt anything with the calmag.
I've thought it could likley be low nitrogen or iron and the calmag plus could help with either.
Ill probably be stoping the spray becouse of flowering, I think it was helpfull. But I'm afraid it was just a bandaid to another problem.

On the dwc the ph issue is more when I first change the resavoir the ph drops. The last time suprised me becouse of the large jump im ppm's they increased over 100 ppm quickly.
Once the resavoir has had a couple days it seems to stay in a good range longer. It's made me think of doing changes less often. I try to completley change weekly.

7-10 days is the standard for changing, especially in veg. @Tokin Roll might see something I'm missing here...

For the foiliar, make sure to read the label, some cal mag brands cannot be used for foiliar, I almost made that mistake myself.

So, just to make sure everything is covered, can you write out in what order your adding to your res? How are you stirring/mixing? Are you waiting in between nutes being added?

 

[013]

Rexer drops the 411

 

[423]

Im using botanicare.
Silica blast
Calmag plus
Bloom soil
Liquid karma....left this out in the last mix
Hydroplex
Hydrogaurd. In that order mixing between each and a small air pump before switching.

I use an 8 gallon tote for the resavoir, 3 actually. Its quite the ordeal to change...closet life.

 

[Rexer]

Rexer drops the 411

You're too kind brother

Im using botanicare.
Silica blast
Calmag plus
Bloom soil
Liquid karma....left this out in the last mix
Hydroplex
Hydrogaurd. In that order mixing between each and a small air pump before switching.

Hmm seems like you've got everything down right. I reskimmed through your journal and you've done your homework and got a lot bang on.
I'd still try skipping the silica once to see if that's where the issue is coming from
Your air hose for the airstone, is it blacked out all the way?

I use an 8 gallon tote for the resavoir, 3 actually. Its quite the ordeal to change...closet life.

Here's a hack for you that I recently came across.
If you take an active aqua water pump, pop the front cover off, you can attach a hose for the intake. Use it to drain the res. There's a step by step inside of a YouTube video on setting up a chiller from PA hydroponics or some such channel.
While in that application it's used for a chiller....I imagine it'll work fine to empty them. Or drop the pump in unmodified lol.

 

[423]

You're too kind brother

Hmm seems like you've got everything down right. I reskimmed through your journal and you've done your homework and got a lot bang on.
I'd still try skipping the silica once to see if that's where the issue is coming from
Your air hose for the airstone, is it blacked out all the way?

Here's a hack for you that I recently came across.
If you take an active aqua water pump, pop the front cover off, you can attach a hose for the intake. Use it to drain the res. There's a step by step inside of a YouTube video on setting up a chiller from PA hydroponics or some such channel.
While in that application it's used for a chiller....I imagine it'll work fine to empty them. Or drop the pump in unmodified lol.

The air hose is black before the buckets by 6" and clear from the checkvalve back to the air pump. The air bubbles are slowed down a lot by the roots surrounding the airstones. The air pump is on the oversized side.
Ill check that out on the link.

I just got a cheap transfer pump. I usualy empty the resavoir, change it out to a clean bucket, then pump the fresh nutes in. The lid stays the same. Its not bad until the plant gets bigger... throw in a screen and anything else and the little closet is a juggling act.

 

[423]

Looking good and hungry. I wouldn't over do the defoliation, but I tend to overdue it with bushiness.

What made you say the nutes were too strong?

I don't really use foiliar spray myself (though I think most do use it). What are you using in it again? Just cal mag? If so what kind...

All in all they look good and are progressing. Something weird is going on with your ph swings going down? Sorry rough day....
If you keep seeing that, try a res change and leave the si out. If not done properly it can cause issues...you can always add it in next reservoir, it's not an essential and leaving it out on one res might help troubleshoot.

I'll definitely skip the si next time. I think it is mostly beneficial building a strong structure in Veg and streach, probably just waste in flower.


I was told by the hydroshop girl to always mix it first or it would fall out of suspension if added last....that makes me think it could be something to the ph.

I started using the silica blast after breaking the main stem on a dutch powerplant auto,...it was a heartbreak. The branches now are crazy strong, ah1 could probably suport several oz without straining....im not expecting that much here but I'll give it every chance I get.

 

[423]

Ph 5.7
Ppm 470

 

[423]

You're too kind brother

Hmm seems like you've got everything down right. I reskimmed through your journal and you've done your homework and got a lot bang on.
I'd still try skipping the silica once to see if that's where the issue is coming from
Your air hose for the airstone, is it blacked out all the way?

Here's a hack for you that I recently came across.
If you take an active aqua water pump, pop the front cover off, you can attach a hose for the intake. Use it to drain the res. There's a step by step inside of a YouTube video on setting up a chiller from PA hydroponics or some such channel.
While in that application it's used for a chiller....I imagine it'll work fine to empty them. Or drop the pump in unmodified lol.

Ive been checking out that PA Hydroponics.
I havent made it to the chiller video yet. I got sidetracked with aeroponics there. I watched half a dozen videos on aeroponic cloners. I'll probably be doing one of those before too long,...when funds allow.

 

[423]

To the tent. First big watering since the transplant. Im out of spring water wich was super convenient but expensive.
5ml calmag to one gallon of water. I used water bottles since the gallon jug is awkward. 2 bottles each giving a good soak with runoff.
About a quarter gallon to each plant.
Pics are before water, clones were watered yesterday.

 

[423]

Nutes for AH2 soil 1 gallon ro
Calmag plus 2ml
Pbp bloom 10ml
Liquid karma 10ml
Ph 5.9
Ppm 755. Watered with 4 16oz bottles, about 3/4 gallon till some runoff. It only took 1 gallon till runoff when I first mixed the soil.
I probably could have watered a couple days earlier.
Tha ah2 is streached as tall maybe taller than the dwc plant that sits 5-6" taller from the start. I tried to get a side view pic but room is getting tight in there.
Itd be interesting if the soil plant beat the dwc plant on yeild, I wouldn't mind.

Ah1 dwc
Ph 5.8
Ppm 480

 

[423]

Ph 6.2
Ppm 440
Ph down 1ml
All head full steam in the closet. Removed the bags off the clones, and still in the shade. Buds are building I think the streach is almost done in the AH2.

In the tent Humidity is still a big problem.
Ive been trieng different setups, moving the dehumidifier,fan and plants. Still no better.
So far I'm getting by with vegging but I think Itd take Bob Villa to get my basement humidity down to flower. 4x4 veg room and 1.5x4 flowering closet I guess.
The dehumidifier raised temprature by 10 degrees and really didn't help, pulled it back outside the tent.

 

[013]

Basements are tough at times. Maybe try to remember for next year to add more perlite to help with drainage. The soil hangs on to the moisture; I upgraded to 2 fabric pots of 30 gallons living organic soil which gets watered more frequently and my rh stays around 75 and you know that’s a problem when you get to flower. it’s new so haven’t started to flower anything in there yet but might veg until fall then flip mine. Of course I just hit the wall (prolly russet mites by the look of things) so I’m getting ready to restart.

Might help to run with tent or room door open if possible, 6 mil plastic or shower pan liner on slab, wood pallets on plastic, drip pan, then grate for plants to sit on with fans moving air underneath and then plants. Dunno if you will see a reduction in rh but if you can do it cheaply it’s worth a try. Concrete slab will get yer plants on cold feet too, there’s constant water vapor rising up thru the concrete and the original vapor barrier of 4 mil sheet plastic under a slab when structure was built disintegrates after only a couple of years. Also maybe drill out more drainage holes in bottom & low sides. I’m not a fan of the old style containers with built in drip pans but do web search on plant risers might give you some ideas. Also that plastic coated wire closet shelving stuff makes for good grates

anyway not a pro just a gardener trying to lend a hand, hope you get her figured out to your satisfaction!

 

[423]

Basements are tough at times. Maybe try to remember for next year to add more perlite to help with drainage. The soil hangs on to the moisture; I upgraded to 2 fabric pots of 30 gallons living organic soil which gets watered more frequently and my rh stays around 75 and you know that’s a problem when you get to flower. it’s new so haven’t started to flower anything in there yet but might veg until fall then flip mine. Of course I just hit the wall (prolly russet mites by the look of things) so I’m getting ready to restart.

Might help to run with tent or room door open if possible, 6 mil plastic or shower pan liner on slab, wood pallets on plastic, drip pan, then grate for plants to sit on with fans moving air underneath and then plants. Dunno if you will see a reduction in rh but if you can do it cheaply it’s worth a try. Concrete slab will get yer plants on cold feet too, there’s constant water vapor rising up thru the concrete and the original vapor barrier of 4 mil sheet plastic under a slab when structure was built disintegrates after only a couple of years. Also maybe drill out more drainage holes in bottom & low sides. I’m not a fan of the old style containers with built in drip pans but do web search on plant risers might give you some ideas. Also that plastic coated wire closet shelving stuff makes for good grates

anyway not a pro just a gardener trying to lend a hand, hope you get her figured out to your satisfaction!

Thanks 013. They're actually doing too good for veg, just too humid to flower.
The basement is so wet after any rain I think its just a bad spot for the tent.
Maybe some more work on my gutters,crawlspace, and ditch will dry it up.
If I can make it till winter it might be dry enough to flower then.

I had trouble with mites before and used a pyrethrin spray, "Doctor Doom" that worked well but if your close to flowering SNS 209 would probably be safer.
Rosemary Extract &rosemary Oil in the SNS are probably a lot safer.

 

[423]

Fresh nutes 5 gallon ro
Cal-mag plus 5ml
Pbp bloom 40ml
Hydroplex 4ml
Ph 5.4
Ppm 440
Aerating before switching

 

[013]

Looking great 423!

Yup seen a lot of drainage problems & you are spot on. Keep clean gutters, don’t use concrete downspout splash blocks - they are only 24 inches long and send all of the runoff directly into the soil near your foundation, ensure yard slopes away from dwelling, pipe gutters at least 15 - 20 feet away from house but more is better. You can get anywhere from 300 to 1200 gallons of runoff rainwater coming from your roof in an average rain shower

appreciate the positive feedback - never tried the doctor doom but heard a lot about it, IIRC pyrethrin is made from crushed chrysanthemums. Yes I make my own rosemary spray based on the SNS formula - it’s good stuff!

 

[423]

I switched the soup today, I usually switch the tote also but just the nutes today. Its a little tight on room so I was afraid I'd break somthing. Pumped the old nutes out and pumped the new nutes in through the netpot.
Watered the clones with the old dwc nutes and removed the shade. Shine a little light on them.