DrZiggy's Low And Slow Drying: Maximizing Your Harvest

:laughtwo: A wealth of information, with a keen sense of humor. You're gonna be fun to work with. My talent is in presentation. Please tell me you'll have no problem with me taking all of that valuable knowledge and making it look more enticing. Not right this minute, when I have time to devote to it.
Please do what ever your heart desires.
We have the same goals in this arena.
 
Ok, let's try this. If there are any glaring errors I can edit them out. I figure you share, I reformat, and we work it all into easily readable form and then pull together a handbook of sorts when we get it all done. What do you think tricam?


Put them back in the fridge untill they read... I like 72% RH.
This is what i do.
Take them out if fridge.
Place in sealed jars 2/3rd full.
Continue air drying.
Burping jars daily:
BUD RH% is 68% to 72%.
Room temp 76deg F, Room RH is 57%.
Open jar with hydro meter in it and lay jar on its side.
When meter reads room RH. Close all jars.
Repeat for 2 more days.
RH% in BUD should be below 68%. IF NOT TAKE OUT OF JARS AND LAY ON A SCREEN FOR 4 HRS. Place back in jar for 1hr. Repeat this step untill RH% is at 67 or below.
Reduce room temp to 72deg F and raise RH to 62%.
Burp jars daily with these environmental parameters.
Checking progress same way as described above.
Once RH is stable at 62%.
(I do not use Bovita Packs. If you do. Now is the time to put one in.)
I leave closed for one week. Check daily roll/ gental shake and flip jars.
Open for 15 min. Seal for a month. Check once a week. Roll/ gental shake and flip jars.

My medicine is ready.

A good starting point for the cure has been 72% humidity. Now we're going to begin the curing process, the first stage of which is dropping the bud humidity down to around 62%.

Remove the buds from the refrigerator and place them into storage jars, filling about 2/3 full, leaving the lids off for now. One of the jars will have a hygrometer in it. The bud relative humidity is 68% to 72% and you maintain the room atmosphere at 76 degrees F with RH at 57%. Begin by laying the jar with the hygrometer on its side and leaving it there until the meter reads the room humidity of 57%. When that happens seal all the jars up.

Repeat this process for two more days. Open all the jars, lay the one with the meter on its side and wait until the meter matches the humidity level of the room, then seal and store. At the end of two days your buds should be reading below 68%.

If that's not the case, and they're still too damp, take the buds out of the jars and spread them out on a screen.
- Let them dry for four hours.
- Place them back in the jars, seal them up and leave them alone for 1 hour.
- Repeat this until your buds are below 67%.

Now, drop the room temperature to 72 degrees F and raise the room humidity levels to 62%.
- Burp the jars once a day in the same manner outlined above, but with these new room parameters.
- When the bud RH reaches 62% the cure begins. If you use Boveda packs, this is when you drop them into the jars.

The Cure

- Once your buds have reached 62% RH seal them up for a week.
- Every day give the buds a gentle tumble, rolling, gently shaking and flipping the jar to keep things loose and expose more surface areas. This movement will keep buds from glueing themselves to each other.
- At the end of a week open the jars for 15 minutes.
- Close the jars up for one month, checking on them once a week, rolling and gently shaking and flipping the jars to loosen everything up.
- At the end of the month you're ready to go. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
I use one for 1 ounce. It works fine but not sure the limit.
Mine has dried out when not it use and I've just dropped one or two small drops of water on packet and back in business.

I use a lot more than 1-2 drops of water when dry.

When dry, they feel like they are full of cookies.
When too moist, they feel like they are full of Jello.
When properly moistened they feel like they are full of applesauce.

Too dry is the most common issue - mostly after being left on a table, or in an unsealed container.


When too dry, I soak the small Boveda 62s in a coffee mug full of water next to the kitchen sink.
It normally takes 1-3 days for them to fully hydrate. In this state they can add moisture but not reduce it.
I then set the boveda packs on the counter for 1-2 days to let them dry out a little so they can regulate moisture up and down.

If the room humidity is too high, one can put them in a frost free refrigerator to dry, but I've never had to do that.

I store my Boveda packs in a ziplock baggie between uses.

Over the last 2 years, I have rehydrated various Boveda 62 packs about 20 times. The packaging still looks good.


I use one Boveda pack for a quart jar and 2 boveda packs for gallon jars - Once properly dried, how many you need is mostly about how well the jars are sealed rather than the amount of bud in the jar.
 
Thank you for all that insight and instruction Rad. I blogged it and also tapped you with the Hammer 'O Rep. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
 
Ok, let's try this. If there are any glaring errors I can edit them out. I figure you share, I reformat, and we work it all into easily readable form and then pull together a handbook of sorts when we get it all done. What do you think tricam?




A good starting point for the cure has been 72% humidity. Now we're going to begin the curing process, the first stage of which is dropping the bud humidity down to around 62%.

Remove the buds from the refrigerator and place them into storage jars, filling about 2/3 full, leaving the lids off for now. One of the jars will have a hygrometer in it. The bud relative humidity is 68% to 72% and you maintain the room atmosphere at 76 degrees F with RH at 57%. Begin by laying the jar with the hygrometer on its side and leaving it there until the meter reads the room humidity of 57%. When that happens seal all the jars up.

Repeat this process for two more days. Open all the jars, lay the one with the meter on its side and wait until the meter matches the humidity level of the room, then seal and store. At the end of two days your buds should be reading below 68%.

If that's not the case, and they're still too damp, take the buds out of the jars and spread them out on a screen.
- Let them dry for four hours.
- Place them back in the jars, seal them up and leave them alone for 1 hour.
- Repeat this until your buds are below 67%.

Now, drop the room temperature to 72 degrees F and raise the room humidity levels to 62%.
- Burp the jars once a day in the same manner outlined above, but with these new room parameters.
- When the bud RH reaches 62% the cure begins. If you use Boveda packs, this is when you drop them into the jars.

The Cure

- Once your buds have reached 62% RH seal them up for a week.
- Every day give the buds a gentle tumble, rolling, gently shaking and flipping the jar to keep things loose and expose more surface areas. This movement will keep buds from glueing themselves to each other.
- At the end of a week open the jars for 15 minutes.
- Close the jars up for one month, checking on them once a week, rolling and gently shaking and flipping the jars to loosen everything up.
- At the end of the month you're ready to go. :cheesygrinsmiley:
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Posted this on PW's Journal a few weeks ago.

Curious for the bannanas?
I use them also. But, why now?

Robert A. Nelson: Hemp Husbandry ~ Botany & Breeding (Ch 4)

And here's the part in the chapter that's relevant:

"Treatment of hempseed with ethylene gas will increase the resulting number of female plants by about 50%. Ethylene is produced by certain plants (i.e., bananas, cucumbers and melons), and these can be used to treat hempseed in a simple manner. About two weeks before you plan to sprout the seeds, place them in a paper bag or envelope and put that in a plastic bag with the peels of a ripening banana or cucumber. Replace the peels after a couple of days, and change the bags to prevent mold.-
Hempseed can be feminized while they are forming on the plant. Fruit peels are spread around the area for two weeks before the plants enter the flowering phase. Remove the skins when the plants begin to flower. Otherwise, treatment with Etephon will accomplish the same effect."

Check out that site, actually the whole thing is chock-full of good scientific information.--

I have tried Ethylene gas to speed up flower maturity.
It works but, you lose flower development time. Smaller yield.
Hope it helps!

420-magazine-mobile918296073.jpg


Alien and bubba seeds in bag.
Not the first Time! Not the last either.
 
1 of my girls came down today 400g wet and in the fridge. One branch traditional drying also.

Going to put roughly 100g into 4 jars as soon as I get some smaller jars today. Let dry,then vacuum seal test commences.
 
Ordered myself some curing-tools. Ordered 4 of these tiny hygrometers with temperature. they're only 48x28x15mm in size and will easily fit inside any jar
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I have a couple of the same ones and they fit nicely in the jars. I noticed that they don't read the same as each other but they are consistent. It might be a good idea to check them when they come in and mark each one for how far the calibration is off.
 
I have a couple of the same ones and they fit nicely in the jars. I noticed that they don't read the same as each other but they are consistent. It might be a good idea to check them when they come in and mark each one for how far the calibration is off.

I hear they can be off by some crazy number like 10%. :thedoubletake: Thats only what I've heard, but it gave me pause. I hesitate to purchase them, but they appear to be the standard, and I can't really do the job without them.
 
This method sounds really awesome and I'd like to try it out on a harvest i have coming up soon but I don't have a spare fridge I can use so My only concern is the smell. does it stink up the whole kitchen every time the fridge opens? Does everything in the fridge taste like weed?. or do the lower temps keep the smell down somewhat?

In the early stages of the dry it will definately make the kitchen and the adjoining room smell. :laughtwo: That passes in a couple days though, and it settles down to something you smell when you're in front of the fridge, opening the door.

I've found that plastic containers pick up and hold the smell for a while, but the terpenes are volitile enough that they float away from those surfaces too after a while. I didn't notice any food holding the taste.

I dry mine in my regular refrigerator. I haven't yet purchased a small dedicated fridge. I'll be adapting my next harvest to follow tricam's instructions to the letter, which means I'll have the buds in the crisper drawer in jars instead of on racks. I think there's something significant happening with the longer timing that I don't want to miss out on.
 
Posted this on PW's Journal a few weeks ago.

Curious for the bannanas?
I use them also. But, why now?

Robert A. Nelson: Hemp Husbandry ~ Botany & Breeding (Ch 4)

And here's the part in the chapter that's relevant:

"Treatment of hempseed with ethylene gas will increase the resulting number of female plants by about 50%. Ethylene is produced by certain plants (i.e., bananas, cucumbers and melons), and these can be used to treat hempseed in a simple manner. About two weeks before you plan to sprout the seeds, place them in a paper bag or envelope and put that in a plastic bag with the peels of a ripening banana or cucumber. Replace the peels after a couple of days, and change the bags to prevent mold.-
Hempseed can be feminized while they are forming on the plant. Fruit peels are spread around the area for two weeks before the plants enter the flowering phase. Remove the skins when the plants begin to flower. Otherwise, treatment with Etephon will accomplish the same effect."

Check out that site, actually the whole thing is chock-full of good scientific information.--

I have tried Ethylene gas to speed up flower maturity.
It works but, you lose flower development time. Smaller yield.
Hope it helps!

420-magazine-mobile918296073.jpg


Alien and bubba seeds in bag.
Not the first Time! Not the last either.

Thank you for this. :hugs: :Love: You are a wonder sir.

I just finished doing a two week treatment of seeds with banana peels. Now I'm even more excited to get one of them planted. Do they have to be planted immediately for this method to be successful? I finished the process yesterday and I was letting the seeds set for a day before I planted. I got distracted on the final two days and ended up with mold on a few of them. :straightface:

I'm using those ripening bananas in the finish tent, and I'm not seeing any reduced bloom time. In fact, both plants that I started this with have gone longer than any previous grows of the same strains, and the plant I harvested yesterday gave me a slightly higher yield than I was expecting. The Carnival finishing up in there right now is going to be almost two weeks longer in flower than her predecessors, and her blossoms have me super excited.

So your experience was the opposite of mine. :hmmmm: Maybe those light upgrades have more to do with the increased quality of my grows than I thought.
 
I see looking over your post again that I need to refine this process. I have a plethora of seeds from Jamaica that will all require this step.
 
I hear they can be off by some crazy number like 10%. :thedoubletake: Thats only what I've heard, but it gave me pause. I hesitate to purchase them, but they appear to be the standard, and I can't really do the job without them.

One of mine is off by 7% but it is very consistently 7%. They seem to work good if you know how much to add or subtract from what it says.
 
One of mine is off by 7% but it is very consistently 7%. They seem to work good if you know how much to add or subtract from what it says.

Consistently undependable. :laughtwo:
 
In the early stages of the dry it will definately make the kitchen and the adjoining room smell. :laughtwo: That passes in a couple days though, and it settles down to something you smell when you're in front of the fridge, opening the door.

I've found that plastic containers pick up and hold the smell for a while, but the terpenes are volitile enough that they float away from those surfaces too after a while. I didn't notice any food holding the taste.

I dry mine in my regular refrigerator. I haven't yet purchased a small dedicated fridge. I'll be adapting my next harvest to follow tricam's instructions to the letter, which means I'll have the buds in the crisper drawer in jars instead of on racks. I think there's something significant happening with the longer timing that I don't want to miss out on.
Thank you sue, I will have to give this a try its sounds too good to pass up. I think ill see how one jar does in the fridge smell wise and also to give me a good comparison to the normal air dried buds. You know for science and all.
 
Thank you sue, I will have to give this a try its sounds too good to pass up. I think ill see how one jar does in the fridge smell wise and also to give me a good comparison to the normal air dried buds. You know for science and all.

I can tell you now you'll be surprised at the difference. Many of us are discovering terpene expressions we'd never experienced in our strains before. It's not only prettier in the end, the potency is ramped up by the inclusion of all the terpenes that typically float off in air drying.

It makes me smile every time someone new decides to give it a shot. One member at a time we'll change the way members think about drying and the cure. You have to be able to see the long view, the reality that you're going to dedicate much longer to getting an incredible superior end result. That translates into less needed for the same or better effects. In the end the harvest goes further and heals more dynamically.

Have fun. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
I can tell you now you'll be surprised at the difference. Many of us are discovering terpene expressions we'd never experienced in our strains before. It's not only prettier in the end, the potency is ramped up by the inclusion of all the terpenes that typically float off in air drying.

It makes me smile every time someone new decides to give it a shot. One member at a time we'll change the way members think about drying and the cure. You have to be able to see the long view, the reality that you're going to dedicate much longer to getting an incredible superior end result. That translates into less needed for the same or better effects. In the end the harvest goes further and heals more dynamically.

Have fun. :cheesygrinsmiley:

This will definitely happen for 1/4 of my grow! I want to try a few different things. Who knows maybe I'll just do half and half. I'd like to have some sooner and some later to smoke lol. I do feel I'll have to read this a thousand times to get it all down but that's how we learn around here.

Mag7 Grows In Doc Bud's High Brix - Ace Panama & Ace Peyote Purple
 
I hear they can be off by some crazy number like 10%. :thedoubletake: Thats only what I've heard, but it gave me pause. I hesitate to purchase them, but they appear to be the standard, and I can't really do the job without them.

Made in China :rolleyes3 . Just treat it like an oven - or refrigerator/freezer - thermometer. You can spend... wow, like close to $100 for those if you're insane. And, even so, if you assume an oven thermometer is perfectly accurate, you'll have a good chance of either burning something or serving undercooked meat. The more expensive ones can be calibrated, IIRC, because they assume that there will be some variance (either that or they figure it'll help them sell more of them, IDK?). And just about every cooking/kitchen show I've ever seen/heard, when they discussed thermometers, always recommended checking them against known good devices. And all they have to deal with is, "Oops, I burned the roast," lol - not, "Oops, I just pooched my crop." (Okay, there's that little thing called salmonella, and the occasional parasite (if one is an eater of pigs and suchlike) ;) . I guess accuracy is important everywhere... )

Speaking of thermometers - and going completely off-topic instead of just swerving a little as per usual - back in the very early '80s I once saw Mom spend way too much time adjusting the temperature knob on her oven. It turns out that's a wee bit more involved than you'd think (and I've never seen anyone else bother trying to perform this operation). When she was done, she seemed real happy. Had her oven set up great... Then she baked the Thanksgiving turkey pretty much to a crisp. I'm guessing that she'd spent 25+ years getting used to how the oven performed when its oven temperature setting was wonky, and caused her learned behavior to take over when it counted. Whoops.

My only concern is the smell. does it stink up the whole kitchen every time the fridge opens?

Just go get a 99¢ can of sauerkraut or two, dump them into a pan on your stove, and set that nastiness to boil. Trust me, lol, no one in your home will smell cannabis. In fact, everyone will probably find excuses to go outside. The most common excuse will undoubtedly be, "Because it <BLEEPing> stinks in here."

taste like weed?

Like dandelions, giant hogweed, itchgrass, witchweed and stuff :rolleyes3 ? Gee, that would really suck if it made everything taste like weed. Personally, I'd prefer things taste like cannabis.

Stop playing for the opposing team in this fight of ours!
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