Droughting and its medicinal effects in cannabis

[nivek]

CBNa is a cannabinoid, and it is what THCa degrades to. It's the cannabinoid responsible for couch lock. Does he make no distinction between cloudy and amber? Seems like he's the only one.

Disappearing?

ok, i can not find any more detailed science spelled out from Ed,,

also fair to note that Ed was doing cannabis science long before most,, that not to say his science is good, just old

a lotto stuff been learned since Ed

my whole and only point is that clear trikes have some different qualities than cloudy, and amber

personally, i can never ever notice a dif between sativa/indica/ cloudy/ amber/ any of it

perhaps my energy levels do not allow couch lock, i dunno,, i do know this,, when i sit on the couch, i am near ready for bed. that is the only time i ever sit on my couch. fact

one more, for the road,, i did not read Ed's report and then come to some conclusion about all this

i had the thinking first,, then i read Ed , and it made sense to me

 

[Emilya Green]

Nobody seems to be considering that amber is not the end of the road for trichomes. I consider about 2% amber at the top to be the maturity that I want before I harvest, but I have seen them go a lot further than this. Trichomes darken even further as the plants continue to mature and will go all the way to black where they can burst open and dry out, and where I have heard that they are no longer active. Ed might have liked best the intense head high that clear trichomes produce, so he considered that to be the peak of potency, but I have noticed that pot this young tends to not last as long either. I consider pot to be at its peak when we hit about 5% amber, where instead of just a head rush and a headache I get a full bodied high that can last for an afternoon. To each his/her own... Ed taught us a lot of things but he failed to recognize that at the end, it is all about personal preference and need.

 

[Hafta]

@nivek , @InTheShed

ok, i can not find any more detailed science spelled out from Ed,,

also fair to note that Ed was doing cannabis science long before most,, that not to say his science is good, just old

a lotto stuff been learned since Ed

my whole and only point is that clear trikes have some different qualities than cloudy, and amber

personally, i can never ever notice a dif between sativa/indica/ cloudy/ amber/ any of it

perhaps my energy levels do not allow couch lock, i dunno,, i do know this,, when i sit on the couch, i am near ready for bed. that is the only time i ever sit on my couch. fact

one more, for the road,, i did not read Ed's report and then come to some conclusion about all this

i had the thinking first,, then i read Ed , and it made sense to me

This is a simpler description of the differences.

There are many article and studies that identify the different effects determined by trichome translucency/color. Here is a link to one.
Milky vs. Amber

My personal experience (a non scientific study) harvesting at different trichome colors coincides with this article.

 

[Hafta]

Nobody seems to be considering that amber is not the end of the road for trichomes. I consider about 2% amber at the top to be the maturity that I want before I harvest, but I have seen them go a lot further than this. Trichomes darken even further as the plants continue to mature and will go all the way to black where they can burst open and dry out, and where I have heard that they are no longer active. Ed might have liked best the intense head high that clear trichomes produce, so he considered that to be the peak of potency, but I have noticed that pot this young tends to not last as long either. I consider pot to be at its peak when we hit about 5% amber, where instead of just a head rush and a headache I get a full bodied high that can last for an afternoon. To each his/her own... Ed taught us a lot of things but he failed to recognize that at the end, it is all about personal preference and need.

I 100% agree

 

[marcus611a]

@Hafta mentioned that @Maritimer thot there might be enhanced affects from the immature clear trikes


just an fyi,, according to ed rosenthal science,, (take it for what it's worth or not worth)

ed rosenthal states that the most psychoactive state of a trichome is when it is clear. when a trike starts to turn cloudy it is degradation of the trichome as it converts from thc to thca, or something similar, something 'less' psychoactive.

and when a trichome is amber, it is fully degraded, not into bad stuff, just into less psychoactive stuff

i certainly regularly harvest early ish and i 'do' notice a kick in the buzz with early weed

just me tho,, and i am super odd

Well said me lad.....

 

[Azimuth]

Unless decarb happens somewhere in there, the "a" remains on the end, e.g. CBGa > THCa > CBNa.

Do we know that to be true? THCa > CBNa ? Decarb happens naturally through time, so the THCa would seem to naturally lose the carbon atom easier than transforming into a totally different molecule, CBNa. You're suggesting it can skip the step to THC itself before the CBN stage.

Have a source I can read?

 

[InTheShed]

Do we know that to be true? THCa > CBNa ? Decarb happens naturally through time, so the THCa would seem to naturally lose the carbon atom easier than transforming into a totally different molecule, CBNa. You're suggesting it can skip the step to THC itself before the CBN stage

It seems like it must be harder for a THCa to lose it extra carbon atom than it is for THCa to degrade to CBNa, or decarboxylation would be easier to accomplish. Converting to CBNa happens while the plant just sits around ripening, while decarb takes high heat.

 

[marcus611a]

Do we know that to be true? THCa > CBNa ? Decarb happens naturally through time, so the THCa would seem to naturally lose the carbon atom easier than transforming into a totally different molecule, CBNa. You're suggesting it can skip the step to THC itself before the CBN stage.

Have a source I can read?

In other words the Goldilocks zone...

 

[Azimuth]

It seems like it must be harder for a THCa to lose it extra carbon atom than it is for THCa to degrade to CBNa, or decarboxylation would be easier to accomplish. Converting to CBNa happens while the plant just sits around ripening, while decarb takes high heat.

Well, heat or time. It naturally will decarb to THC at room temperature over time.

 

[Hafta]

Well, heat or time. It naturally will decarb to THC at room temperature over time.

The $ 64,000 question. At room temp, how long would it take for new, clear trichomes to ripen ( become cloudy, then amber)?
I should be able to provide some info on this in a month or so if droughting is successful on the second half of my harvest (assuming neither droughting nor hydro affects the speed of ripening).

 

[InTheShed]

At room temp, how long would it take for new, clear trichomes to ripen

I thought the question Azi was wondering about is which happens first over time (post harvest): THCa decay or THCa decarb.

 

[Azimuth]

I thought the question Azi was wondering about is which happens first over time (post harvest): THCa decay or THCa decarb.

Right. I thought right to decarb, but Shed is suggesting it goes on to CBNa first.

I suppose it's possible that it goes to CBNa and then decarbs to CBN since older decarbed weed is supposed to be sleepy time weed. I would like to see some sort of scientific article or something though.

I've never had any store for that long so have no first hand experience.

 

[nivek]

how long would it take for new, clear trichomes to ripen ( become cloudy, then amber)?

are you thinking how long 'after harvest'?

i spose it is possible that this is my thinking only, but i might suggest that trichomes do not 'ripen' as in go thru the whole ripening process after being harvested. i might also suggest that once harvested, it does not take all too long for the plant to realize it is dead and stop the ripening process

now this is completely different from 'maturing'

during maturation a lot of the harsh and unpleasant qualities of cannabis dissipate, as in chlorophyll etc

 

[Nine Toed Hippie]

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OMG! Just look at all that sugar!! I love your plants they are so beautiful! Check out what your drought did to mine! Picture say a thousand words... Thank you so much for your help chop down time within the next 2 hours.. Almost looks fake it's so gummed up... And I'm definitely going to have to use gloves when I trim her and some alcohol pads to clean my scissors on the in between halfway point.

That’s a pretty damn sexy bud Marcus. Great work.

NTH

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Hi guys and gals! I see all of this, just wanted you to know I have been running on borrowed time and been on here for 5 min if that each time I come on; you all know I don't like to rush in my responses so I wanted to say I'll be back and thank you to all who are continuing to converse and learn amongst each other. It is greatly appreciated!

 

[Hafta]

are you thinking how long 'after harvest'?

i spose it is possible that this is my thinking only, but i might suggest that trichomes do not 'ripen' as in go thru the whole ripening process after being harvested. i might also suggest that once harvested, it does not take all too long for the plant to realize it is dead and stop the ripening process

now this is completely different from 'maturing'

during maturation a lot of the harsh and unpleasant qualities of cannabis dissipate, as in chlorophyll etc

My question is more .... since new trichomes are produced during drought, how long would the plant need to recover for the new trichomes to become cloudy with a few ambers?

 

[Azimuth]

My question is more .... since new trichomes are produced during drought, how long would the plant need to recover for the new trichomes to become cloudy with a few ambers?

But even then, do the older ones on the buds continue to degrade, and if so, how do you then judge the harvest window? Still a percentage of amber? Or wait for the new ones to get cloudy? Certainly if you waited for a percentage of the new ones to turn amber that would likely be too long for the originals.

 

[InTheShed]

But even then, do the older ones on the buds continue to degrade, and if so, how do you then judge the harvest window? Still a percentage of amber? Or wait for the new ones to get cloudy? Certainly if you waited for a percentage of the new ones to turn amber that would likely be too long for the originals.

Same issue with foxtails!

 

[nivek]

wow, my gosh,, such details,,

one needs to determine the start date of the drought,, everything after that is predetermined. pick a date based on experience, and if one has experience with the same strain then picking a date to begin is even easier

and i think worth noting,, a plant after drought can for sure be left in flower forever if wanted,, or a few days, to reach perfection

pick a date to start and live with it,, what will be will be

edit,, a note about my double drought dudette,, she is suffering terrible,, indeed,, the leaves that were yellowing slightly at the end of the drout are shrivelled and sad

the yellowing has reached near the top of the plant now,, and it's hurtin me. not sure how much longer i can take the pain

i will try and update if i have the strength to do so

peace out

 

[InTheShed]

I love it when you quote Doris Day!