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ed rosenthal published that?@Hafta mentioned that @Maritimer thot there might be enhanced affects from the immature clear trikes
just an fyi,, according to ed rosenthal science,, (take it for what it's worth or not worth)
ed rosenthal states that the most psychoactive state of a trichome is when it is clear. when a trike starts to turn cloudy it is degradation of the trichome as it converts from thc to thca, or something similar, something 'less' psychoactive.
and when a trichome is amber, it is fully degraded, not into bad stuff, just into less psychoactive stuff
I think why not if it seems a good candidate, that's how nature applies it (randomly/repeatably).And because the plant looks so good right now it has got me thinking about the potential benefits of drouting the thing again
A double drout.
Any thots?
Thanks, but you are not so odd. I also harvest with minimal amber (maybe 10% or less) because I prefer the "get up and go with a smile" effect. Usually it means gardening or trout fishing.
I spent my youth tying flies and fishing for trout and I loved it. But the thought now of fly fishing for trout and having some herb as an 'enhancer', would be an absolute treat!are you sure you are not me?
or perhaps i am you? hmmm,
That is wonderful pic of those trichome bulbs and the solitary amber one.Mature trichome
The trichome caps are bulging. The vast majority remain clear but a few have changed color to white or amber, indicating a change of THC to CBN, a less psychoactive cannabinoid.
Thank you Krissi!Hi guys and gals! I see all of this, just wanted you to know I have been running on borrowed time and been on here for 5 min if that each time I come on; you all know I don't like to rush in my responses so I wanted to say I'll be back and thank you to all who are continuing to converse and learn amongst each other. It is greatly appreciated!
And we love you for thinking out loud Maritimer! I say that with humour because that it one of the vibes of our great community, but I mean it sincerely too. You've done a lot investigations that are really interesting, and it's great you're sharing your thoughts!just thinking out loud
I think not since most of our bud is non-fertilized, and therefore no seeds at all and yet we get the normal progression anyway. So the color can not be indicating a change in the viability of a seed that doesn't exist.Ask then, what are the seeds priorities (not the mother) during this time, when the globus bulbs go from clear to amber and you may answer the riddle. Could amber colored trichomes indicate a change in the viability of the seed has occurred? Could amber colored trikes indicate a shift in homeostasis brought on by the fertility?
just thinking out loud
My plan will be to still harvest at the point where the overall number of ambers falls between 5 - 10%. The percentage of ambers should have decreased with the addition of new, clear ones. Surely the pre-existing trichomes will continue to degrade. The final result may be to harvest reasonably soon after droughting.But even then, do the older ones on the buds continue to degrade, and if so, how do you then judge the harvest window? Still a percentage of amber? Or wait for the new ones to get cloudy? Certainly if you waited for a percentage of the new ones to turn amber that would likely be too long for the originals.
I harvested those plants based on the 10-20% amber guideline.I'm hoping he can chime in to tell us what percent amber he waited for but I'm sure there was enough to make him decide to harvest.
I harvested those plants based on the 10-20% amber guideline.
ed rosenthal published that?
and he used the word degradation?
Think about why the resin presents these developmental changes, going from clear to cloudy, then from cloudy on to amber. During the time it takes for the globus bulbs to change colors, what changes are being presented to the cultivar. What are the mother plant's priorities? To make and protect her seeds. Period.
Ask then, what are the seeds priorities (not the mother) during this time, when the globus bulbs go from clear to amber and you may answer the riddle. Could amber colored trichomes indicate a change in the viability of the seed has occurred? Could amber colored trikes indicate a shift in homeostasis brought on by the fertility?
just thinking out loud
I still maintain it is not seed related unless you think the reaction to seeded bud is different from the sensimilla we all mostly try to grow. If there is no seed to protect, the change must be related to something else since it seems to happen seeded or not-seeded.Everything we are basing these notions on are with the idea that the GRN hasn't re-coded itself in an effort to maintain the health of its seeds? Maybe the trichome color changes as Maritimer said, because of a change in the seed encapsulated in those flowers and trichomes? Maybe the trichomes do signal a developmental change under that flower and within the seed. A change that was brought on by a catslyst-the drought.
Well I think what the issue is that is being missed is the plant doesn't know there are no seeds in there so maybe they are thinking that there is or should be a change, in my perception, since everything they are doing is based on the assumption that they have seeds in there to begin withI still maintain it is not seed related unless you think the reaction to seeded bud is different from the sensimilla we all mostly try to grow. If there is no seed to protect, the change must be related to something else since it seems to happen seeded or not-seeded.
I'm not sure. When the buds have been pollinated there is a definite and almost immediate change in the plant, whereas for a plant without seeds the plant seems to go into overdrive to try to make seeds at the end (hermies, flush of new pistils, etc.)Well I think what the issue is that is being missed is the plant doesn't know there are no seeds in there so maybe they are thinking that there is or should be a change, in my perception, since everything they are doing is based on the assumption that they have seeds in there to begin with
Sorry for the edit...this phone is terrible right now
What Azi said ↓the plant doesn't know there are no seeds in there
There must be a reason we grow seedless plants. I have always thought there were fewer trichomes produced once the plant was fertilized, and therefore fewer mg of THC/gram of flower.I'm not sure. When the buds have been pollinated there is a definite and almost immediate change in the plant, whereas for a plant without seeds the plant seems to go into overdrive to try to make seeds at the end (hermies, flush of new pistils, etc.)
You both make absolutely good points. I had read that numerous times about a plant once it is fertilized in regards to potency.What Azi said ↓
There must be a reason we grow seedless plants. I have always thought there were fewer trichomes produced once the plant was fertilized, and therefore fewer mg of THC/gram of flower.
I'll do some research but, does anyone know of a study that has the different percentages of the different cannabinoids in pollinated vs. un-pollinated plants?What Azi said ↓
There must be a reason we grow seedless plants. I have always thought there were fewer trichomes produced once the plant was fertilized, and therefore fewer mg of THC/gram of flower.
You mean other than not gumming up the grinder?There must be a reason we grow seedless plants. I have always thought there were fewer trichomes produced once the plant was fertilized, and therefore fewer mg of THC/gram of flower.
Yes if any plant is fertilized it will put most of it's energy into making those seed, once they are ripe enough it will go back to growing more flowersI had just heard that the plant's energy changes to making seeds rather than anything else. Not calyx building/bulking.
I can't speak on the science or studies, but I totally appreciate all the shared insights that are being put forward.You keeps saying to protect the seed. the trichomes are there for defense and to protect the pistils from drying out . The plant's main mission is to produce seed and the trics provide the moisture in drought to keep the pistils alive, even if there is very little left.