Droughting and its medicinal effects in cannabis

[Maritimer]

Ahoy Indy,
You and your crew are amazing. My personal feelings are uplifted reading the content of the thread. Your most recent research coupled with your ability to connect the dots show me why I was compelled to recruit your talent. I remember telling you on the telephone that you were the chosen one. At the time I was not sure why I was being driven to you, but things have gotten clearer. When the Holy Spirit tells Dave to do something, I ought not fret.

With Az keeping you on your toes, and Shed keeping watch over all, this is becoming the perfect storm.

Bring this all together and I will help you prepare your abstract that my people will help you get published in the Journal of Agricultural Sciences. This is how the science will spread academically throughout the global research community.

Brimming with pride in what is happening here.

 

[Maritimer]

I can't speak on the science or studies, but I totally appreciate all the shared insights that are being put forward.

I have a basic simplistic view from a personal drought experience I had over a dozen years ago. I see it as Brewster said. In hindsight, it was a fantastic droughting grow which produced the best hitting buds that I have ever grown (from bag seed where the bagged bud was average), and it was 100% accidental. The plant was late germinated, early December (Southern Hemisphere) and grown outdoors on a balcony whose stone tiles I have measured on hot days, as reaching up to 50C/122F, so that's a lot of radiant heat giving it further stress. It was grown in a small dark blue ceramic pot, with potting mix (about 15L, nearly 4 gallons I guess), the dark pot would heat up badly in the sun, and every hot day the plant would be badly wilting by the afternoon. The resulting buds were quite 'airy', but appearance wise they looked like the trichomes had repeatably melted and covered the buds/sugar leaves with a 'varnish like' appearance that seemed to make them very stiff and hard. They were by far the most sticky buds I have grown. This was a plant that you could imagine in the wild, growing out of dry rock crack, beaten by wind and sun. That was because it had made itself very oily, and therefore it could deal with the adverse elements quite fine. I must add, the drought process in this case wasn't just for 10 days but the whole summer heat flowering period.

Amongst my current grow I have a Mango Sherbert, I grew one last year and it was probably my favourite, I harvested it mid April. I stopped watering her 3 days ago on the 20th March, but so far we've had rainfall, and too, she is in a bigger 50L (13 gallon) pot than the original droughted plant referred to above, so her pot will be a lot slower to dry out, but it is my intention to continue to not water her for up to her remaining 25 days till harvest, in the hope that the rain stays away and she can get some droughting stress happening over this period. So I am wishing for a lot of fine weather ahead to assist in this. I'll post some pics only if it looks like she is getting into the droughting 'zone', as who can say with growing outdoors where controlled grows are next to impossible to do. Cheers.

I think about you often. I tell junior droughters about your balcony on the other side of the world.

 

[Azimuth]

Bring this all together and I will help you prepare your abstract that my people will help you get published in the Journal of Agricultural Sciences. This is how the science will spread academically throughout the global research community.

Wait, what? We're not going to keep this our little secret??!! You know, a little competitive edge??

But, I guess with the idea of the greater good in mind, it should be published. It is about the medicine for many of us after all...

 

[Maritimer]

Wait, what? We're not going to keep this our little secret??!! You know, a little competitive edge??

But, I guess with the idea of the greater good in mind, it should be published. It is about the medicine for many of us after all...

Indeed

 

[Maritimer]

I can hardly wait until this summer when @InTheShed takes this to the next level. I happen to know he is in possession of some MeJA. Things will get lively. One week prior to drought you administer a foliar spray that makes the plant think bugs are attacking her. Couple with drought and you have rezinated cannibis.

 

[Azimuth]

I can hardly wait until this summer when @InTheShed takes this to the next level. I happen to know he is in possession of some MeJA. Things will get lively. One week prior to drought you administer a foliar spray that makes the plant think bugs are attacking her. Couple with drought and you have rezinated cannibis.

Sounds a little like BDSM. "It's gonna hurt, but you're gonna like it."

 

[parnelli]

Krissi, thanks for the discussion on droughting. I will be forced to abandon my plants for about 20 days. I was very, very concerned about keeping them watered. After reviewing this forum and the study link you provided, I am very encouraged that the plants will survive and even flourish. I'll likely be leaving the plants about week 6 of flowering and my automatic watering system will last for about 10 days. The timing couldn't be better. Thanks again.

 

[InTheShed]

I can hardly wait until this summer when @InTheShed takes this to the next level. I happen to know he is in possession of some MeJA. Things will get lively. One week prior to drought you administer a foliar spray that makes the plant think bugs are attacking her. Couple with drought and you have rezinated cannibis.

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do that this summer, but depending on how things go I am aiming for some clone testing in the fall!

 

[scottreid1966]

It has been an interesting thread lady and gents! My eyes are freakin' sore but my grey matter is satiated. Thank you all so much for your incredible work , insights andresearch!

 

[Krissi Carbone]

You keeps saying to protect the seed. the trichomes are there for defense and to protect the pistils from drying out . The plant's main mission is to produce seed and the trics provide the moisture in drought to keep the pistils alive, even if there is very little left. It will keep trying to send out new ones or fox tail, until it get fertilized
If not it will keep crying the virgin tears

Yes if any plant is fertilized it will put most of it's energy into making those seed, once they are ripe enough it will go back to growing more flowers

I see this happen with cucumbers all the time, if you don't pick the big seedy ones the plant will stop producing & stop growing

Absolutely valid point Brew!!! Being I love to grow my cucumbers, that was a great way to put that into perspective for me and I'm sure many others as well!

I can't speak on the science or studies, but I totally appreciate all the shared insights that are being put forward.

I have a basic simplistic view from a personal drought experience I had over a dozen years ago. I see it as Brewster said. In hindsight, it was a fantastic droughting grow which produced the best hitting buds that I have ever grown (from bag seed where the bagged bud was average), and it was 100% accidental. The plant was late germinated, early December (Southern Hemisphere) and grown outdoors on a balcony whose stone tiles I have measured on hot days, as reaching up to 50C/122F, so that's a lot of radiant heat giving it further stress. It was grown in a small dark blue ceramic pot, with potting mix (about 15L, nearly 4 gallons I guess), the dark pot would heat up badly in the sun, and every hot day the plant would be badly wilting by the afternoon. The resulting buds were quite 'airy', but appearance wise they looked like the trichomes had repeatably melted and covered the buds/sugar leaves with a 'varnish like' appearance that seemed to make them very stiff and hard. They were by far the most sticky buds I have grown. This was a plant that you could imagine in the wild, growing out of dry rock crack, beaten by wind and sun. That was because it had made itself very oily, and therefore it could deal with the adverse elements quite fine. I must add, the drought process in this case wasn't just for 10 days but the whole summer heat flowering period.

So interesting that you bring up the myriad of environmental factors that caused the plant to adapt to those types of conditions and climate. It really is amazing what these plants are capable of doing. I remember that post on your balcony, if I'm not mistaken, up rather recently in a discussion you were having. Remarkable turn around and something that I think a lot of growers in the past have overlooked in terms of determining outdoor grow factors that led to a better harvest.

Amongst my current grow I have a Mango Sherbert, I grew one last year and it was probably my favourite, I harvested it mid April. I stopped watering her 3 days ago on the 20th March, but so far we've had rainfall, and too, she is in a bigger 50L (13 gallon) pot than the original droughted plant referred to above, so her pot will be a lot slower to dry out, but it is my intention to continue to not water her for up to her remaining 25 days till harvest, in the hope that the rain stays away and she can get some droughting stress happening over this period. So I am wishing for a lot of fine weather ahead to assist in this. I'll post some pics only if it looks like she is getting into the droughting 'zone', as who can say with growing outdoors where controlled grows are next to impossible to do. Cheers.

Wow. 25 days but wow, 13 gl pot.....this just proves to me even more that this study was merely a baseline for all things possible. It really is up to us to move forward from here and take this to the next level.

Thank you so much for sharing and we all know you are one of the creme de la creme, Stunger!

Ahoy Indy,
You and your crew are amazing. My personal feelings are uplifted reading the content of the thread. Your most recent research coupled with your ability to connect the dots show me why I was compelled to recruit your talent. I remember telling you on the telephone that you were the chosen one. At the time I was not sure why I was being driven to you, but things have gotten clearer. When the Holy Spirit tells Dave to do something, I ought not fret.

Be still my green heart. I have always said, from day 1, the red string effect is not only real but tangible when it is held in the right hands

With Az keeping you on your toes, and Shed keeping watch over all, this is becoming the perfect storm.

I think these are some mighty fine hands

Bring this all together and I will help you prepare your abstract that my people will help you get published in the Journal of Agricultural Sciences. This is how the science will spread academically throughout the global research community.

I think this was our goal from the get-go. This was the reason we made that connection to begin with----->SPREAD THIS TO THE MASSES AND HELP HEAL THE WORLD THROUGH CANNABIS!

Brimming with pride in what is happening here.

We are only humbled by you and all that you have done and continue to provide for us

I think about you often. I tell junior droughters about your balcony on the other side of the world.

Just remarkable what he does on that balcony

Wait, what? We're not going to keep this our little secret??!! You know, a little competitive edge??

But, I guess with the idea of the greater good in mind, it should be published. It is about the medicine for many of us after all...

Pay it forward

Krissi, thanks for the discussion on droughting. I will be forced to abandon my plants for about 20 days. I was very, very concerned about keeping them watered. After reviewing this forum and the study link you provided, I am very encouraged that the plants will survive and even flourish. I'll likely be leaving the plants about week 6 of flowering and my automatic watering system will last for about 10 days. The timing couldn't be better. Thanks again.

Not a worry in the world and not a single modicum of thanks is necessary, I am just grateful to be a stepping stone on a stairway that's helping others! I'm sure your girls will be just fine and how absolutely perfect is that timing?! I keep talking about things happening for a reason guys and gals and not cause I'm some looney freak on the ID channel

I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do that this summer, but depending on how things go I am aiming for some clone testing in the fall!

Whenever you can bless us with your knowledge and wealth of information, we will be ready to take notes!

It has been an interesting thread lady and gents! My eyes are freakin' sore but my grey matter is satiated. Thank you all so much for your incredible work , insights andresearch!

The grey matter continues to pulsate more and more every day since finding this community. I'm convinced that I have had new receptors emerge since last July-wealth of information, sometimes hard to process it all!

You guys really do make my droughting world go round. Without you being active on this thread, none of this would be possible! Can't thank you enough for your continued open minds and discussions that go beyond me my years, my knowledge and my experiences.

I think this coming together from all areas of the growing world on so many different levels is just adding a great deal more to this thread than I had once anticipated. I'm so happy that this is a place people feel comfortable sharing insights!

 

[Azimuth]

I can't speak on the science or studies, but I totally appreciate all the shared insights that are being put forward.

I have a basic simplistic view from a personal drought experience I had over a dozen years ago. I see it as Brewster said. In hindsight, it was a fantastic droughting grow which produced the best hitting buds that I have ever grown (from bag seed where the bagged bud was average), and it was 100% accidental. The plant was late germinated, early December (Southern Hemisphere) and grown outdoors on a balcony whose stone tiles I have measured on hot days, as reaching up to 50C/122F, so that's a lot of radiant heat giving it further stress. It was grown in a small dark blue ceramic pot, with potting mix (about 15L, nearly 4 gallons I guess), the dark pot would heat up badly in the sun, and every hot day the plant would be badly wilting by the afternoon. The resulting buds were quite 'airy', but appearance wise they looked like the trichomes had repeatably melted and covered the buds/sugar leaves with a 'varnish like' appearance that seemed to make them very stiff and hard. They were by far the most sticky buds I have grown. This was a plant that you could imagine in the wild, growing out of dry rock crack, beaten by wind and sun. That was because it had made itself very oily, and therefore it could deal with the adverse elements quite fine. I must add, the drought process in this case wasn't just for 10 days but the whole summer heat flowering period.

Amongst my current grow I have a Mango Sherbert, I grew one last year and it was probably my favourite, I harvested it mid April. I stopped watering her 3 days ago on the 20th March, but so far we've had rainfall, and too, she is in a bigger 50L (13 gallon) pot than the original droughted plant referred to above, so her pot will be a lot slower to dry out, but it is my intention to continue to not water her for up to her remaining 25 days till harvest, in the hope that the rain stays away and she can get some droughting stress happening over this period. So I am wishing for a lot of fine weather ahead to assist in this. I'll post some pics only if it looks like she is getting into the droughting 'zone', as who can say with growing outdoors where controlled grows are next to impossible to do. Cheers.

@Stunger 's experience suggests to me that maybe we are overthinking this with trying to be too precise with the 7 week time frame.

I guess there's likely a tradeoff between wanting to grow the biggest and healthiest plants to get them in the best position to drought vs generating the stress response with repeated droughts (in his case every sunny day for the entire summer). He did say the buds were quite airy which could have been strain related, but if not maybe they could have been improved with a longer initial runway before introducing the drought.

I know in his case he's at the mercy of the elements, but I wonder if in a more controlled indoor grow if there would indeed be additional benefits to repeated drought and recovery cycles. Kind of like what @nivek 's doing with his hempy.

 

[Krissi Carbone]

@Stunger 's experience suggests to me that maybe we are overthinking this with trying to be too precise with the 7 week time frame.

I guess there's likely a tradeoff between wanting to grow the biggest and healthiest plants to get them in the best position to drought vs generating the stress response with repeated droughts (in his case every sunny day for the entire summer). He did say the buds were quite airy which could have been strain related, but if not maybe they could have been improved with a longer initial runway before introducing the drought.

I know in his case he's at the mercy of the elements, but I wonder if in a more controlled indoor grow if there would indeed be additional benefits to repeated drought and recovery cycles. Kind of like what @nivek 's doing with his hempy.

I'm beginning to think the same. Then again, maybe that's the balance or the trade off in extreme conditions? Airy bud but caked with trichs? Maybe like you said, we can work with mimicking the conditions like Nivek did. Then what? Do we do extended droughts, do we raise the temps in the tents as well. Do we force lower humidity? Maybe that's what caused the airy buds?

Does make you wonder doesn't it?!

 

[nivek]

heya friends,, a quick update and photo showing,,

eight days into the double drought,, and i am thinking the end of the experiment,, i have already re hydrated the plant

enuf is enuf i spose

i have harvested a bit of it already,, and sampled actually,, quite nice,

the yellowing has not stopped for one second, and i am concerned about damaging some of the sugar leaves if i go any further, would not hurt the trikes i guess tho

i dunno if there is more, or less, or a hope for peace, but i know there is lots

and as can be seen of this close up mostly bud shot,, not an overwhelming amount of amber noticeable, tho it is for sure a bit over ripe for my taste,,

but,, hey,, in the name of science,, i will never say no way

just an fyi,, total in flower is 71 days, a 'cherry bomb', not sure where from

 

[Hafta]

I have reached the first phase of harvest and anticipate attempting droughting in a month or so. I will post before and after photos here once I get to the droughting stage. In the mean time I began a "harvest/droughting" journal.
Hafta's CST plus Droughting
Please check it out and comment. I have not tried droughting and it is a hydro grow. I'm sure I will need some advice.

 

[Krissi Carbone]

heya friends,, a quick update and photo showing,,

eight days into the double drought,, and i am thinking the end of the experiment,, i have already re hydrated the plant

enuf is enuf i spose

i have harvested a bit of it already,, and sampled actually,, quite nice,

the yellowing has not stopped for one second, and i am concerned about damaging some of the sugar leaves if i go any further, would not hurt the trikes i guess tho

i dunno if there is more, or less, or a hope for peace, but i know there is lots

We like lots

and as can be seen of this close up mostly bud shot,, not an overwhelming amount of amber noticeable, tho it is for sure a bit over ripe for my taste,,

but,, hey,, in the name of science,, i will never say no way

Nivek, how do you feel overall about the process?

just an fyi,, total in flower is 71 days, a 'cherry bomb', not sure where from

She's beautiful and I can't thank you enough for putting science first. This was awesome, especially the double d. Walking into unknown territory and happy to do it. Kudos to you good Sir, you are greatly appreciated!

I have reached the first phase of harvest and anticipate attempting droughting in a month or so. I will post before and after photos here once I get to the droughting stage. In the mean time I began a "harvest/droughting" journal.
Hafta's CST plus Droughting
Please check it out and comment. I have not tried droughting and it is a hydro grow. I'm sure I will need some advice.

This is awesome! I'll be over there to follow!! Can't wait to if I might add!

 

[Mlburk1]

Update on WW future droughter first pic is getting more rectangular shape for 2x4 tent

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Update on WW future droughter first pic is getting more rectangular shape for 2x4 tent

I like her shape . I didn't do much shaping until my Amazon grow and now I really enjoy it. I dig it...does our future WW droughter have a name?

 

[Stunger]

Good evening droughting team!
I have been droughting my Mango Sherbert for 7 days now, no water. She has been buffeted by strong winds these past days, further drying her out. I am not intending to harvest her until another 3 weeks and want to give her some repeated/prolonged droughting.

I will post a couple of pics from this morning and a couple from late afternoon. The wind and afternoon sun was really giving her a hard time. I gave her about 2 cups of water after the final pictures were taken, after 3 hours she had only changed a little, but I want to see what she looks like tomorrow and then I will probably give her a drink, enough to perk up, and then drought her again. There has been a few dead worms on the balcony stone tiles who have been feeling the stress too these past days.

Anyway, 2 pics from mid morning today.

1

• Stunger
• Mar 25, 2022

2

• Stunger
• Mar 25, 2022

And 2 pics from 5pm today.

7

• Stunger
• Mar 25, 2022

8

• Stunger
• Mar 25, 2022

 

[Krissi Carbone]

Good evening droughting team!
I have been droughting my Mango Sherbert for 7 days now, no water. She has been buffeted by strong winds these past days, further drying her out. I am not intending to harvest her until another 3 weeks and want to give her some repeated/prolonged droughting.

I will post a couple of pics from this morning and a couple from late afternoon. The wind and afternoon sun was really giving her a hard time. I gave her about 2 cups of water after the final pictures were taken, after 3 hours she had only changed a little, but I want to see what she looks like tomorrow and then I will probably give her a drink, enough to perk up, and then drought her again. There has been a few dead worms on the balcony stone tiles who have been feeling the stress too these past days.

Anyway, 2 pics from mid morning today.

1

• Stunger
• Mar 25, 2022

2

• Stunger
• Mar 25, 2022

And 2 pics from 5pm today.

7

• Stunger
• Mar 25, 2022

8

• Stunger
• Mar 25, 2022

This is fantastic! We have seen so many indoor grows using a drought regimine of some kind, to be able to follow you along on this balcony drought is another notch made in our tool belts!

For those who don't know, Stunger, this has been something you have been dabbling with and experimenting with rather intentional or not for years now am I correct?

We have seen a "Double Drought" mimick in hempy with @nivek and with you attempting this prolonged drought, we are really making moves in experimentation with this stressor.

We absolutely won't know what we don't try and both the growing and academic communities will be so grateful for all of the efforts this team has put into creating what I'm leaning on calling "magical cannabis".

This is where agriculture and medicine come together and I am beyond blessed to have so many growers active in this thread, committed to the cause and willing to step out of their comfort zone for bigger picture gains.

Thanks so much for sharing Stunger!

 

[Mlburk1]

I just wish it was my turn to drought again ! Between all the manipulation I do to the plants , droughting is the other part I look forward too Thankyou one more time for this Krissi.