Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

overlord said:
I forget did you use smart pots? They don't develop the same kind of roots due to the air pruning.
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I have checked root systems when using the Felt posts (not with the kit yet however)
What I have noticed is a very small root ball with lots of small fine roots and always
had the fade in mid to late flower.

This run I ran them in 2 gal felt to start, hoping I would get a good 1 gal root ball.
From there I went to 7 Gal PLASTIC so after this Run is finished I will have a better
idea if I am going to use the Felt at all in the future. Thinking this time its going
to be 1 gal plastic to 7 gal plastic, If I deiced to run in 10's it will be 1 to 5 to 10 plastic.

I have a sneaking suspicion the felt is holding them back
 
Yes I understand the roots will be different from plastic pots but from what everyone has been showing or saying the roots should have a nice tight hold on the soil even if not at the edges due to air pruning. I haven't seen that yet. My soil just falls apart and the roots are all fine accept for the original one gal area of the plant. And that's not even the tightest rootball.
 
Mag7 said:
Yes I understand the roots will be different from plastic pots but from what everyone has been showing or saying the roots should have a nice tight hold on the soil even if not at the edges due to air pruning. I haven't seen that yet. My soil just falls apart and the roots are all fine accept for the original one gal area of the plant. And that's not even the tightest rootball.
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Interesting, Every plant I have grown in the felt pots have had that exact type
of hold on the soil. I have to beat it against the ground to let go of the soil :)

EDIT: I have pictures taken or the root balls from felt pots in 7 gal, 5 gal and I
think 3 gal. Non kit grows but if anyone is interested I can post?
 
I literally have to tear my rootballs apart at harvest. Have to dig my fingers into the soil, twisting and ripping until a chunk comes off. :cheesygrinsmiley: The ball is a perfect impression of the inside of the pot, including the molded-in feet and any imperfections in the pot itself. It takes awhile. No soil just brushes off - gotta scrape and tear. That's in 6 gallon square plastic pots. The original solo cup rootball is also still intact, buried in the middle, and it's the most difficult to break up. (I should get them out of the cups sooner, I think.)

Ya wouldn't want to get hit with one - guaranteed it'd knock you off your feet, with just a small puff of loose dirt.

I always err on the side of dry soil while they're growing. If they aren't wilting, I'm not interested in watering them. Until they start blooming, they have to beg for it. :cheesygrinsmiley: Every now and then, I screw up and they'll drop some lower fans, but ... that rootball! :Love: A good parch usually ramps them up. When they finally get some water, they'll point all their leaves high and spiky.

Seriously fellow growers, I see way too many plants with soggy, droopy leaves. The roots need air periodically to vent and exchange gases. I think the issue with fabric pots is the layer of dry soil around the outside. It makes it harder to get a uniformly wet or dry rootball. The outside will go dry and prune, but the inside is still too moist for water.

:Namaste:
 
Graytail said:
I literally have to tear my rootballs apart at harvest. Have to dig my fingers into the soil, twisting and ripping until a chuck comes off. :cheesygrinsmiley: The ball is a perfect impression of the inside of the pot, including the molded-in feet and any imperfections in the pot itself. It takes awhile. No soil just brushes off - gotta scrape and tear. That's in 6 gallon square plastic pots. The original solo cup rootball is also still intact, buried in the middle, and it's the most difficult to break up. (I should get them out of the cups sooner, I think.)

Ya wouldn't want to get hit with one - guaranteed it'd knock you off your feet, with just a small puff of loose dirt.

I always err on the side of dry soil while they're growing. If they aren't wilting, I'm not interested in watering them. Until they start blooming, they have to beg for it. :cheesygrinsmiley: Every now and then, I screw up and they'll drop some lower fans, but ... that rootball! :Love: A good parch usually ramps them up. When they finally get some water, they'll point all their leaves high and spiky.

Seriously fellow growers, I see way too many plants with soggy, droopy leaves. The roots need air periodically to vent and exchange gasses. I think the issue with fabric pots is the layer of dry soil around the outside. It makes it harder to get a uniformly wet or dry rootball. The outside will go dry and prune, but the inside is still too moist for water.

:Namaste:
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I agree and actually run the same, Wait to see wilt. But this last run (1st in kit) it seemed like the plants
would be dead and still not Wilt :) obviously the Kit result, Just so strong you really have to deprive them
before they Wilt.
^EDITED TO ADD before they Wilt ^

With this I also water very very very slow, Use Aquarium pump in bucket on timer (1 min On, 4 min Off cycle)
run through a home made 5 nozzle release. It takes 2 hours for 2.5 gal. I could leave and come back but
like to move and re-position the nozzles (at edge, in middle and near center) plus I like spending time with them. (we talk, we chat she gets a drink I have a Beer, you know family stuff)

Even with this I still only get a rather short main root & ball, all the rest are those very fine roots, Like
mentioned earlier they are very strong and hold all the soil ROCK HARD but want to see a bigger main
tap root system to judge the difference.
 
Doc Bud - High Brix Q&A With Pictures

I'll do a side by side next time. I'll have different 15 gal pots and I'll do better on making them beg for it even more .
 
Gazoo said:
I have checked root systems when using the Felt posts (not with the kit yet however)
What I have noticed is a very small root ball with lots of small fine roots and always
had the fade in mid to late flower.

This run I ran them in 2 gal felt to start, hoping I would get a good 1 gal root ball.
From there I went to 7 Gal PLASTIC so after this Run is finished I will have a better
idea if I am going to use the Felt at all in the future. Thinking this time its going
to be 1 gal plastic to 7 gal plastic, If I deiced to run in 10's it will be 1 to 5 to 10 plastic.

I have a sneaking suspicion the felt is holding them back
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I do not use felt pots. My roots are god.
 
Gazoo said:
I agree and actually run the same, Wait to see wilt. But this last run (1st in kit) it seemed like the plants
would be dead and still not Wilt :) obviously the Kit result, Just so strong you really have to deprive them
before they Wilt.
^EDITED TO ADD before they Wilt ^

With this I also water very very very slow, Use Aquarium pump in bucket on timer (1 min On, 4 min Off cycle)
run through a home made 5 nozzle release. It takes 2 hours for 2.5 gal. I could leave and come back but
like to move and re-position the nozzles (at edge, in middle and near center) plus I like spending time with them. (we talk, we chat she gets a drink I have a Beer, you know family stuff)

Even with this I still only get a rather short main root & ball, all the rest are those very fine roots, Like
mentioned earlier they are very strong and hold all the soil ROCK HARD but want to see a bigger main
tap root system to judge the difference.
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The fine roots are what you want. The feeder roots from veg are fine.
 
Doc Bud said:
The fine roots are what you want. The feeder roots from veg are fine.
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Well I do get plenty of them fine roots, even to the point of excessive if there is such a thing.

Still need to see for my self the difference with a bigger longer Tap Root, but thats just me, want
to be able to see the difference if there is any to judge the best approach for my set up
 
Today we gave Brix

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Gazoo said:
Well I do get plenty of them fine roots, even to the point of excessive if there is such a thing.

Still need to see for my self the difference with a bigger longer Tap Root, but thats just me, want
to be able to see the difference if there is any to judge the best approach for my set up
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The fine root hairs are the best you can ever hope for. Why would you try to grow a long, tap root when the goal is fine root hairs and you already have them?
 
overlord said:
When do you use leaf wash? Veg? bloom? anytime?
How often and how with other foliars? 3 days after brix or ???

Do you need to add dextrose?

Thanks, trying to understand proper use of the product.
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1/4 oz per quart of water. I use it in veg and early bloom only. Mainly, I pressure wash all plants when they transition from veg to bloom.
 
Doc Bud said:
The fine root hairs are the best you can ever hope for. Why would you try to grow a long, tap root when the goal is fine root hairs and you already have them?
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I guess I am looking for root bound in early 2 gal pots, which I never seem to see.
Thought that's what we were looking for, so thinking a longer bigger tap root was what I was missing ?

Below is a picture of what I see in a 7 gal felt NOTE the picture is a NON KIT RUN
To the left of the pot on the ground are all the fine roots. Should I be Concerned ?

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Gazoo said:
I guess I am looking for root bound in early 2 gal pots, which I never seem to see.
Thought that's what we were looking for, so thinking a longer bigger tap root was what I was missing ?

Below is a picture of what I see in a 7 gal felt NOTE the picture is a NON KIT RUN
To the left of the pot on the ground are all the fine roots. Should I be Concerned ?

roots3_7gal.jpg
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You're great with those roots. I use 1 gallon in veg BTW, so I can get roots faster than in 2 gallons
 
dajerm119 said:
Hey Doc, I am flipping my ladies to 11/13 today... But I already gave them Brix this morning, When is the earliest I can use the leaf wash in this case?
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3 days. Good timing.
 
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