Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

Sigh. I guess I'm the exception that proves the rule... lol

So my girl has looked like hell pretty much from the start. I'm still convinced my soil never cooked properly, even though it sat for 40 days, and was moved off the kitchen tiles after 18 days for fear that despite the 80f temps the tiles might be too cold. I've been following the MaxYields regimen. I'm under LEDs in a tiny 2'x2.5'x6' tent (thus, only ONE plant lol) and everything tends to dry out VERY slowly which has made it really difficult to get feedings in while trying not to overwater. Temps are between 75-78f with lights on, and 73-74 with them off. Humidity has proven impossible to maintain, I was keeping a 1" pool of standing water (with a splash of hydrogen peroxide) in the floor of the tent, a wet towel and two 9x13 baking pans full of water and could barely get 30-40%. Now I've had to abandon those techniques as the plant has gotten larger and will need the space, so I'm at 15%.

I've got one sickly landrace Kerala. It never had that waxy fake look I've heard about, just this sort of green construction paper look. When it was a seedling, the leaves were really kinda rough looking, like almost krinkled, but still green and turgid, not burnt or dry or crispy at all. Just... "edgy" like it was angry. lol

In short, what I'm seeing looks to my untrained eye to be Mag def and overwatering. Leaves are green and curling down and the fan leaves have been dying from the bottom up, edges yellowing first, green veins until last then they turn brown and fall off. (Though I've also seen a couple turn uniformly yellow like N def and a few have gotten that blotchy brown necrosis like P def. It's kinda random.) At this point she is sans-fans to more than halfway up the stalk and the little fans on the lower branches are now starting to go as well.

I've made a concerted effort from the start to not overwater. I'm currently going a week between waterings, waiting until the pot actually feels completely empty. If anything, I don't think I'm watering enough! But it doesn't ever fully wilt, it just gets droopy and sad looking (is this non-wilting a high brix thing that is tricking me into underwatering?), but it looks like that MOST the time anyway. The stems are so purple they look almost black.

These symptoms have basically been present since the start, they're just accelerating over time. I've tried not to panic, telling myself to stick to the schedule and she'll sort herself out. And pretty much every time I feed her, it almost looks like she HAS, for a day or two, before slumping right back into droopy leaf death sadness. I suspect the MaxYields numbers are too low, or I'm misunderstanding something. I've upped the amount of drench/tea on the last couple waterings and it really seemed to help... the re-slump hasn't been as severe this time, anyway.

The only deviation from the MaxYields is that I dissolved a pinch of epsoms in the waterings and sprays for a few times, but it didn't help and maybe made things worse, so I stopped.

I'm ready to transplant into the final 5gal smartie, and I'm wondering if there's anything extra I should do to the soil to improve her chances of pulling out of the death spiral? I've got some Langbeinite, Gypsum and rock phosphate lying around, and some Oregonism XL. Would any of that help? Or should I just grit my teeth and trust the soil to pull through in the end?

This is at 8 weeks since it first sprouted, 22" tall in a (I'm guessing) 1.6 gallon. (note that the pics make her look better than she really looks. The ongoing yellowing on the upper fan leaves is much more obvious in person) note that this is the "improved" state after giving her a growth/tea drench at 3ml/1.5ml in two quarts of distilled water:

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Yuck. What kind of pot is that in?
 
Yuck. What kind of pot is that in?

Yup, when I got to the part about planning to upcan to 5 gallons I knew what would fix it.

You kept them in those little pots wayyyy too long. Get 'em into the 5s (7s or 10s would be better) and they'll start looking better pronto.

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It'll be ok. You'll see.
 
Yup, when I got to the part about planning to upcan to 5 gallons I knew what would fix it.

You kept them in those little pots wayyyy too long. Get 'em into the 5s (7s or 10s would be better) and they'll start looking better pronto.

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It'll be ok. You'll see.

That was my first thought as well. But the small pot doesn't explain why it's been sad from the beginning.
 
Thanks guys! I'll go ahead with the transplant. Anything else? Should I try and make it warmer? It's in a ~1.6 gal plastic pot. I cut a bunch of holes in the sides and bottom so it wasn't so sealed for the roots. The smart pot should be a major upgrade. Now that I think about it, I wonder if the material the pot is made out of could be causing problems? It's more of a greasy soft plastic than normal planters. Maybe it's leaching something into the soil?
 
Hey if you run those strains again, use some organic Blood Meal in the soil and top dress with Epsoms the first week in bloom and every 2 weeks after that. They'll be much better. Promise.




However, a plant that does well in the soil is going to easily become your favorite over a celebrity/hydro strain. You'll see by and by. Until then, blood meal.

No worries doc I will add the blood meal and epsoms on the next run





I am an old hydro guy from the 90's back when It was all the craze, left growing for about 12yrss and came back about 5-6yrs ago was blown away by all the choices of beans.

First couple of runs was hydro then switch to pro-mix with organic liquid ferts so I was a salt lover

Now I am in Highbrix and the search is on for new strains

Anyone want to recommend a sativa and indica that have done well in the Kit and are available

Side note, maybe we should compile a list of strains that are stellar performers in the kit

:Namaste:
 
For sativas ...

Carnival from Ministry of Cannabis
Panama from Ace Seeds
DrGrinspoon from Barneys Seeds
Y Griega from Medical Seeds

All were well behaved - very manageable, and thrived in HB. :Namaste:
 
Hey Boscoe, thats what started to happen to my plants because I left them in too small of a pot for too long. They showed the same deficiency, not as bad, but theyd have been like that a week later. Once I transplanted them they took off and have been doing great ever since
 
Thanks, Boogy. I thought about it, but was concerned that putting one in a 2x2 tent could cause mold problems. Maybe I could see if putting one on a timer might work... :)
 
Hey Boscoe, thats what started to happen to my plants because I left them in too small of a pot for too long. They showed the same deficiency, not as bad, but theyd have been like that a week later. Once I transplanted them they took off and have been doing great ever since

Yeah, that was my gut feeling too. Glad that's the consensus! :)
 
I think that guy needs more humidity in his room too. Just buy a humidifier for 20 bucks at WalMart dude. You'll have way better luck.

Thanks, Boogy. I thought about it, but was concerned that putting one in a 2x2 tent could cause mold problems. Maybe I could see if putting one on a timer might work... :)

Yeah, that was my gut feeling too. Glad that's the consensus! :)
Nothing is more important than the environment. Nothing.
 
Hey Boscoe, Just those two things brotha...bigger pot , right now, and get that RH up to at least 40 if ya can. She will turn around pretty fast as Tard said. When the enviro is off like that ...so dry, they are stressed every lights "on" cycle when the air warms up and the air dries out even more. It would help to spray them often with very weak doses of De Stress and Brix. Very weak though, OK! If ya buy one of those little Humidifiers for between 20 -100 bucks, remember to grab some of that bacteria preventing liquid....comes in a bottle, you add a cap full or so to EVERY tank full of water...that way no mold or bad things can screw things up. One negative side to those , is i found myself always filling the damn thing up, mine is a 3.5 gal. one, just a small one. Anyhow Boscoe...your girl will be just fine ...your surrounded by growers who are skilled and are "in tune" with things around here! Cheers Gang....Merry Christmas.:circle-of-love:
 
Hey doc, I have a grizzly purple kush that looks incredible, with healthy shiny leaves. Some fans are getting that slight curl, should I just add some epsoms next watering? Next watering will be the second cat drench for it.
 
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