Dip as long as you can.
GE and Tea only for drenching in veg.
Optional is light Transplant.
Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures
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Dip as long as you can.
GE and Tea only for drenching in veg.
Optional is light Transplant.
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Start in one gallon. Transplant into 7 minimum....10 is better when it is still pretty small, due to your lighting situation.
I prefer to alternate Transplant and Growth Energy in veg.
dunk and soak every time:
Transplant, water, Growth Energy, water, etc. Always add 1/4 oz Transplant to EVERYTHING.
So instead of drenching in veg you're really soaking?
Whenever possible.
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Good question.
"Drench" refers to the method of application of a product, IE foliar, root drench, top dress, etc. We top dress Re-charge and worm castings, we foliar feed Brix and DeStress and we drench with Transplant, Cat drench, GE, etc.
Instead of top watering in veg, I find better results if I let the container sit in water, perhaps 3/4 as deep as the container, for 5 minutes or so. This will saturate the medium, wicking into every nook and cranny.
Once in bloom, go ahead and use the SWICK or a combination of top watering and bottom watering, in order to keep the whole pot kinda moist...not wet. Very similar to what you do already.
We want to focus growth of roots, thick stems and few leaves in veg. This will leave the plant better able to bloom vigorously.
Alright, so order some one gallon pots and, for this first run, don't SWICK until flowering. Will it veg in the 1 gallon or will I need to up pot to a three gallon at some point? Just need to get my orders ready to go out at the end of the month.
Now I'm confused. Are you saying: Transplant, water+Transplant, GE+Transplant, water+Transplant, etc.?
I assume the Tea is still used with GE. How about with Transplant?
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Veg it in one gallon. Go directly from 1 gallon to 7 or 10....no problem.
You don't want a SWICK in veg.....because you want to CULTIVATE in such a way to encourage roots and thick, stocky stems. If water is easy to come by, you'll have a much less robust root system and lots of lush, green foliage....which will create a less than ideal situation in bloom, as the roots won't be up to the task of supporting all those flowers because it simply isn't large and efficient enough.
When working with wimpy lights like we all do (wimpy compared to the Sun) we need to direct the plant, manage the canopy, etc. There are many ways of doing all of this, but when it comes to roots, nothing works quite as well as the wet/dry thing. It also causes MUCH shorter nodal spacing and thicker, stronger stems. This is the plant's natural response to periods of dry weather.
Not too dry.....just enough to slow down and compact vertical growth and encourage the plant to put all its energy into growing roots and seeking moisture.
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Tea is always used in every drench.....no exceptions.
I like to alternate Transplant with GE. Other folks use GE exclusively in veg. Both are OK! I water in between drenches.
1st drench.....seed or clone, should be Transplant, even if it's only a weak application right after planting.
Drench, water, drench, water. I always add 1/4 strength Transplant to EVERYTHING. (except Transplant....kinda dumb there.)
I'll be posting some new feeding ideas soon. There are many ways to do this and those of use who are familiar with how everything works are all doing something just a bit different, which is totally cool.
sir grow alot
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Hey Doc, Been MIA from here lately and just got the OG drench in and have a Q I couldn't find the answer to after searching back 15 or so pages. I understand how to mix the drench, but what are you/and others finding to be the best time to apply the drench. also does it need to be a double drench as with cat drench or an alternating drench that is used multiple times in a cycle??
Another Q now that you have experienced LED tech from a couple manufactures and seen the side by side of the high pressure sodiums, if you had a chance to start from scratch in a room with 4 4x8 tables with 6 plants per table in 10gal pots in your mix obviously, would you go with LED or HPS in your honest opinion and if possible what light setup over each table??? This is a very serious question and greatly appreciate your input and all others as well!!!
Another Q now that you have experienced LED tech from a couple manufactures and seen the side by side of the high pressure sodiums, if you had a chance to start from scratch in a room with 4 4x8 tables with 6 plants per table in 10gal pots in your mix obviously, would you go with LED or HPS in your honest opinion and if possible what light setup over each table??? This is a very serious question and greatly appreciate your input and all others as well!!!
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Hey Doc, Been MIA from here lately and just got the OG drench in and have a Q I couldn't find the answer to after searching back 15 or so pages. I understand how to mix the drench, but what are you/and others finding to be the best time to apply the drench. also does it need to be a double drench as with cat drench or an alternating drench that is used multiple times in a cycle??
Another Q now that you have experienced LED tech from a couple manufactures and seen the side by side of the high pressure sodiums, if you had a chance to start from scratch in a room with 4 4x8 tables with 6 plants per table in 10gal pots in your mix obviously, would you go with LED or HPS in your honest opinion and if possible what light setup over each table??? This is a very serious question and greatly appreciate your input and all others as well!!!
Use the OG drench like you would use Growth Energy in bloom. You definitely want to try for at least 3 applications.
As for the light question:
At this point in time, I'd opt for LOTS of LED lighting over those tables....strong ones. I've found that the P1200 I am using is every bit the equal of a 1000 watt HPS, except it doesn't produce as much heat or use as much power. It can bleach the tops at bit, so make sure you have some headroom.
I think you could get more than 6 plants per table....easily 10.
sir grow alot
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I have one side at 55 days flower out of 75 days and another side at 25 days.im for sure going to start getting to drenching on the side at day 25.... but do you recommend I also use it on the side at 55 days? and these are all salt lovers just to be clear, ive ran all the current strains at least 2x with out the og drench so it will be great to see how they respond
Thanks for the advice and yes you are right I could fit 10, good call, i just checked and my pots are 16" Dia so 10 is perfect.
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I think it will work well if you have more applications, rather than less. I hit the Grape Apes with it a week ago, and now the stems went all soft and they need plenty of staking---which they almost never do without the OG drench----and they have a different flavor and smell. This is what a typical OG does....can't hold itself up, sticky buds, really strong smell.
It will weaken your plants but they'll start smelling more like the hydro versions....only hopefully much better. I haven't smoked any yet. Grape Ape doesn't need the OG Drench, BTW. I'll go back to growing it without, but I wanted to see what it did and I was pleased.
Jamba
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I'm just over here engaging in my first high brix harvest! Ho hum!
That last picture is a bug half dried, half trimmed. And it was picked at random. There are better specimens for sure, especially off this second plant. My friends all said it smelled like Jamba juice when we were cutting and washing. I had to agree, and revel in the coincidence! Ahhh growing....
That last picture is a bug half dried, half trimmed. And it was picked at random. There are better specimens for sure, especially off this second plant. My friends all said it smelled like Jamba juice when we were cutting and washing. I had to agree, and revel in the coincidence! Ahhh growing....
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Awesome bro! Congrats and definitely a job well done.
Beautiful Jamba. WooHoo!!!
Jamba
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Very happy. Just wondering the proper humidity to dry properly... I've kept it at 60% for 3 days, and my stems still aren't snaping.
Governmentchz
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My drying area is usually right at 55%, but this last grow I had a nice big dehumidifier in there and regulated it down to 50%. Both worked, but I felt safer at 50%. I get scared up around 60%. At that level, you need so much airflow to ensure you don't get any mold that it dries the buds out too quickly and may cause a strong grassy smell.
Best drying/curing is done at 65f/50%rh...IMO.
p.s. FWIW, My stems are rarely snapping by the time I put them into the cans.
Best drying/curing is done at 65f/50%rh...IMO.
p.s. FWIW, My stems are rarely snapping by the time I put them into the cans.
Doc-
My OCD is kicking in. I know each grower tweaks the use of the products, but:
I see references to, "1/4 oz. Transplant with EVERYTHING". I also see, "1/4 strength Transplant with EVERYTHING".
Does 1/4 oz. seem to work better than 1/8 oz.? If I use 1/4 oz. with everything, I think I'll run out. I'm trying to plan ahead for any additional items I will need, like more EWC, etc.
My OCD is kicking in. I know each grower tweaks the use of the products, but:
I see references to, "1/4 oz. Transplant with EVERYTHING". I also see, "1/4 strength Transplant with EVERYTHING".
Does 1/4 oz. seem to work better than 1/8 oz.? If I use 1/4 oz. with everything, I think I'll run out. I'm trying to plan ahead for any additional items I will need, like more EWC, etc.