Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

Doc Bud said:
It's actually designed for 8x4 raised beds....which I have tweaked to 6 large plants in seven gallon pots.

5-10 mils per plant (closer to 5) is about right on drenches. The gallons don't matter....you just want the drench in the soil.

So, for a normal plant maybe 7mils drench, 1-2mils Tea.....something like that. Lighter on the Tea is fine, but it's annoying.

I'm doing a few things differently in the veg room lately, so I'll get to an update soon.....but I'm incredibly busy right now, to the point of feeling stress! Gotta go.
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Ooops! Six plants. I knew that. :loopy:
How does the kit work as a 4x8 raised bed? Since you start with only 4 cubic feet, are you top-dressing the soil with just 1-1/2" of HB kit soil?
I don't want to add to your stress level so take your time. I could PM you but I thought it might be of interest to others planning their outdoor grows.
I have the Pro-Mix. I won't plant until June 1, but would like to start them in the same soil so will need to get cooking before too long. My plan is to start and veg them for a while matching the photoperiod they'll experience once moved outside June 1st.
 
DrZiggy said:
4 x 8 x ht, if 1 ft high, its 32 cubic ft..
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Exactly. But the Pro-Mix + EWC is only 4 cubic ft (max, probably a little less).
4 cu-ft spread over 32 sq ft = 1/8 ft depth = 1.5 inches.
 
I was just thinking about how high it looked four feet wide and 8 feet long when I was mixing it on the tarp and it seemed pretty high, about a foot.
 
A bale of promix will not fill a 4x8 bed....not even close. A cubic foot of soil is 7.2 gallons, if memory serves me right. So, a raised bed of 32 sq ft will take 230 gallons of soil, more or less.

1 oz. of drench in a hose-end sprayer is how folks work with a raised bed like that. Super easy. It's even easier with a Dosatron or fertigation of some sort.
 
Doc Bud said:
A bale of promix will not fill a 4x8 bed....not even close. A cubic foot of soil is 7.2 gallons, if memory serves me right. So, a raised bed of 32 sq ft will take 230 gallons of soil, more or less.

1 oz. of drench in a hose-end sprayer is how folks work with a raised bed like that. Super easy. It's even easier with a Dosatron or fertigation of some sort.
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So I guess I'm still not clear how to use the soil part of the kit in a 4x8 bed. My math still tells me the bale of Pro Mix with EWC and amendments is only going to cover it to a depth of about 1.5 inches. Is that what you do? Sorry if I'm missing something. When it comes to our outdoor growing I'm used to thinking in cubic yards. I just finished moving and amending 20 yards of soil for the rest of our garden.
 
scrubby said:
Well, how deep is your bed? 2'? 3'? From there do some math bro :)
Sounds like plenty of kits tho! Lol
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The bed is 16" deep. But the depth of the bed doesn't matter unless I'm digging a hole and putting the kit soil in it. When Doc said it was designed to use on a 4'x8' raised bed, I assumed he meant it covered the entire bed. The math to cover a 4x8 bed remains the same, in which case the 4 cubic feet of amended Pro-Mix yields a maximum depth of 1-1/2 inches when spread out over 32 square feet. Hopefully once Doc catches his breath he will explain.
 
That would be 24 bales of promix if you went 3' deep. At about $50/bale youre looking at 1200 just for the promix. I dont know what doc would charge for that much kit product, buuut, can you imagine the return?!?!?! Wow!!! Blows my mind just thinking about it lmao :)
 
scrubby said:
That would be 24 bales of promix if you went 3' deep. At about $50/bale youre looking at 1200 just for the promix. I dont know what doc would charge for that much kit product, buuut, can you imagine the return?!?!?! Wow!!! Blows my mind just thinking about it lmao :)
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I would use dirt on the property or purchase top soil (after testing) before buying that much Promix.....but they do have bulk pricing.
 
The return would be 10 fold easily. My mind is wandering...5x5x5 one seed...the whole season outside. A cistern mounted above the level of the pot to catch what rain might fall. And supply the rest via hose. Mix nutes and open spigot...feed as needed :)
Ah, one day :)
 
At that scale it might be cheaper to mix your own and have it tested . Not sure its just a thought :)
 
I'm not trying to do the entire garden in HB. I'm not going 3' deep. My garden bed is 16" deep.
I just want to grow two plants in HB. I have a raised bed that is 4'x8' set aside for that purpose. That gives each plant a 4'x4' area. Doc said his kit was designed for a bed of that size (32 sq-ft). I'm just trying to understand how to apply the kit soil. I don't believe Doc means to do my raised bed it will take 10 of his kits.
I'm thinking I'll divide the kit soil in half and put each half in a hole about 16" in diameter and 16" deep. That should use up one HB kit for the two plants. I don't see any other way that makes sense to apply one kit in a 4'x8' bed.
 
Major PITA said:
I'm not trying to do the entire garden in HB. I'm not going 3' deep. My garden bed is 16" deep.
I just want to grow two plants in HB. I have a raised bed that is 4'x8' set aside for that purpose. That gives each plant a 4'x4' area. Doc said his kit was designed for a bed of that size (32 sq-ft). I'm just trying to understand how to apply the kit soil. I don't believe Doc means to do my raised bed it will take 10 of his kits.
I'm thinking I'll divide the kit soil in half and put each half in a hole about 16" in diameter and 16" deep. That should use up one HB kit for the two plants. I don't see any other way that makes sense to apply one kit in a 4'x8' bed.
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Sounds legit! 2 holes with 30 gals of hb soil a piece should produce some beautiful trees Major! Id love to see those before harvest!! :)
 
The measurements we use and their recommended coverage has been adapted from outdoor vegetable gardening. You take samples of your soil and have a custom amendment blended for your soil. But we're growing in pots, indoors, so think in terms of canopy. A 4x8 garden will have a canopy of 32 sqft as well as 32sqft of soil. Indoors, that same canopy will be roughly 6 plants in 10 gallon pots - much less soil. That's 60 gallons compared to 230 gallons outdoors. That's the dirt part.

The foliars remain the same. Mix with water at the right concentration and spray the 32 sqft canopy - same, same. But the drenches support the same plant in less soil. We adjust the one oz/gal for individual plants when we dose, because it's the same plant in less soil, using the same amount of water ... etc.

If you want to use Doc's amendment you could start with Premier peat and add the limestone, perlite and mycos at the same ratios and you should get Pro-Mix HP. Before I cooked my first kit, I spent a couple days working my way to the soil engineering dept at Premier. I like getting past the customer relations people to the source. :cheesygrinsmiley: Anyway, I was told that they get their peat from mostly Canadian bogs and add calcium to stabilize pH. All their peat-based soils start that way. So, you can get pretty close yourself. If necessary, I might be able to find the exact percentage of calcium and perlite they use for Pro-Mix in an email or somewhere. The perlite frankly isn't critical to the amendment anyway. It's blended for Premier peat with added limestone.

Or your own soil might be amendable, and you could get a custom blend, and Doc also offers the foliars and drenches in bulk. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
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