Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

The thing is, PITA, ClosedCircuit and I, and other happy growers of LOS, are pretty convinced we are already growing High Brix. One of the major components of my own soil - Worm Power vermicompost - assures me that I should expect as much by including their fine product in my soil mix. The health and vigor of my own plants - under CFLs as well - scream High Brix. I just accept the evidence and I know that I will be pleased with my harvest. I know it's organic and I am confident that the potency will exceed my expectations. I admire the pursuit of the perfect fit, the maximum performance for the plant. I'm content to plant my seed and let it grow. I know I've done my best to give the soil what the soil and the plants require, and I accept that in return this particular plant will give me it's best harvest. That's just my way of gardening.

My questions mirror ClosedCircuit's. Our basic desire is the assurance that this is, indeed, organic in nature. I want to be able to recommend this as an option for other organic growers.
 
Major PITA said:
CC, I respect your desire to understand how things work. I'm the same way and may be the primary reason I haven't popped for a kit yet. But I think the main point is, until you do a soil test, most of your questions are moot. No matter how much you learn about the end result and how Doc got there, you won't know how to get there yourself until you: 1) test your soil, or 2) buy some HP Promix, EWC and a kit. Knowledge is power but the key piece of the puzzle you are missing is your starting point. If you don't know where you are, no map will help you get to your destination.
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Keep in mind one of my desires, and that of the LSO community, is to be as self sourced as possible. Sustainable and natural is the key. Natural environments, in most cases, do not produce hi-brix crops...but they do provide pretty much every resource you need to grow exquisite plants. Part of my call for pause is having to abandon my initial intention to grow in a no-till and nature replicating environment if I was to go hi-brix. To be fair, part of why I am asking questions is to see how close I can get to your results with out adding the inorganic ferts in Doc's kits, without tilling, and, and without constantly recharging the soil. I already have most of the amendments you all use...it really comes down to the differences in how we are using them. If I test my soil, see too the deficiencies, and use all the same drenches you use minus those ferts I'm guessing I would get fairly similar results. hell, I could even just buy the kit and leave out those ingredients if I don't feel comfortable. But again, I'm trying dot my i's and cross my t's here finding out what I am comfortable with using.
 
Sweetsue said:
The thing is, PITA, ClosedCircuit and I, and other happy growers of LOS, are pretty convinced we are already growing High Brix. One of the major components of my own soil - Worm Power vermicompost - assures me that I should expect as much by including their fine product in my soil mix. The health and vigor of my own plants - under CFLs as well - scream High Brix. I just accept the evidence and I know that I will be pleased with my harvest. I know it's organic and I am confident that the potency will exceed my expectations. I admire the pursuit of the perfect fit, the maximum performance for the plant. I'm content to plant my seed and let it grow. I know I've done my best to give the soil what the soil and the plants require, and I accept that in return this particular plant will give me it's best harvest. That's just my way of gardening.

My questions mirror ClosedCircuit's. Our basic desire is the assurance that this is, indeed, organic in nature. I want to be able to recommend this as an option for other organic growers.
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here here Sue! Couldn't have said it better.
 
If things in our kit makes you uneasy then dont use it! Simple! If you have no intention of buying a kit and reaping its rewards then why waste what im sure is valuable time asking about it? I dont understand what the issues are here! We didnt come into yalls threads asking why this and why that and this aint right and this isnt organic! The fact is is that those of us who use the Kit to grow cannabis are tickled with the results. And im sure I speak for all of us when I say we have absolutely no intention of changing what we use for anything! Docs worked so hard to get where hes at and did this for US, not himself. Hes the most giving person I know on here and has studied this plants to lenghts none of us (that I know of) have. We're the ones reaping the rewards of his years of hard work! Ok, the ignore option is a wonderful thing...nuff said :)
 
Sweetsue and ClosedCircuit, love the curiosity of your thoughtful questions......You both sound like you are already dialed in and I say, carry on. For me as a new grower who is going commercial, Doc's kit is a way to guarantee consistency, paint by number, and follow the boiler plate directions to get the highest quality I can without hardly thinking......he openly encourages us to play with the drenches, but not until I understand and observe, and run through the basics.....it is astonishing so see the health of these plants and I have witnessed so many journals before I took the plunge. I too, did my homework, and proceed with caution. Best decision I ever made.
 
scrubby said:
If things in our kit makes you uneasy then dont use it! Simple! If you have no intention of buying a kit and reaping its rewards then why waste what im sure is valuable time asking about it? I dont understand what the issues are here! We didnt come into yalls threads asking why this and why that and this aint right and this isnt organic! The fact is is that those of us who use the Kit to grow cannabis are tickled with the results. And im sure I speak for all of us when I say we have absolutely no intention of changing what we use for anything! Docs worked so hard to get where hes at and did this for US, not himself. Hes the most giving person I know on here and has studied this plants to lenghts none of us (that I know of) have. We're the ones reaping the rewards of his years of hard work! Ok, the ignore option is a wonderful thing...nuff said :)
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First off: we were invited here by Dutty to have our questions answered.

Second: We are curious as to whether or not there is something to learn here, to implement in our own systems, or to even jump ship. If I truly didn't care then I would ignore you. I actually did ignore you all until now. Then I learned I may be wrong about some things, so I came over to ask questions and learn. It isn't required of you to change my mind, and I'm not asking you to defend yourself. But asking questions is the only way to truly learn. I apologize if that bothers you. I figured that this discussion would benefit everyone here and further their understanding since passionate well intentioned conversation often has that effect.

But I'm starting to get the vibe that if I don't buy the product then my presence in the hi-brix community is in vein. I hope I'm wrong, after all I am not challenging your results - and have even commended the plants you are growing. But I can leave if I'm bothering you all.
 
scrubby said:
If things in our kit makes you uneasy then dont use it! Simple! If you have no intention of buying a kit and reaping its rewards then why waste what im sure is valuable time asking about it? I dont understand what the issues are here! We didnt come into yalls threads asking why this and why that and this aint right and this isnt organic! The fact is is that those of us who use the Kit to grow cannabis are tickled with the results. And im sure I speak for all of us when I say we have absolutely no intention of changing what we use for anything! Docs worked so hard to get where hes at and did this for US, not himself. Hes the most giving person I know on here and has studied this plants to lenghts none of us (that I know of) have. We're the ones reaping the rewards of his years of hard work! Ok, the ignore option is a wonderful thing...nuff said :)
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I appreciate the passion but so much hyperbole without content.

There have been others who have tossed these questions around and I'm very interested to hear the discussion.

As you say none of us are going to deviate from what we know is awesome but the questions are on point.

Closed Circuit and Sweet have a great attitude, please carry on folks!
 
BrixKlinger said:
I appreciate the passion but so much hyperbole without content.

There have been others who have tossed these questions around and I'm very interested to hear the discussion.

As you say none of us are going to deviate from what we know is awesome but the questions are on point.

Closed Circuit and Sweet have a great attitude, please carry on folks!
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Thank you BK!
 
scrubby said:
If things in our kit makes you uneasy then dont use it! Simple! If you have no intention of buying a kit and reaping its rewards then why waste what im sure is valuable time asking about it? I dont understand what the issues are here! We didnt come into yalls threads asking why this and why that and this aint right and this isnt organic! The fact is is that those of us who use the Kit to grow cannabis are tickled with the results. And im sure I speak for all of us when I say we have absolutely no intention of changing what we use for anything! Docs worked so hard to get where hes at and did this for US, not himself. Hes the most giving person I know on here and has studied this plants to lenghts none of us (that I know of) have. We're the ones reaping the rewards of his years of hard work! Ok, the ignore option is a wonderful thing...nuff said :)
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He's just seeking more knowledge you should be flattered!!!

Take a puff and be greatful that people are interested in techniques you use and they seem interested. That can really push people away when there seeking answers.
 
Dutty Panty said:
He's just seeking more knowledge you should be flattered!!!

Take a puff and be greatful that people are interested in techniques you use and they seem interested. That can really push people away when there seeking answers.
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Thank you Dutty. I appreciate your understanding.
 
chances are you guys have too much K from your compost to boost brix. also you lack foliars?

regardless of organics, there are some critical distinctions from your micro grows.

i'll just toss that in for starters.
 
SS and CC, I respect and support your growing method and desire to learn. I am here as a novice gardener, also with a desire to learn as much as possible. My gardening is organic - but again, I'm just learning to crawl. In my mind, if the plants are happy because the microbes are happy because the soil is happy, I am much less concerned about one ingredient or another. The fact is, the soil is getting better and better, with less and less amendments after each harvest (at least that's my take). This is what I want. I do not like commercial styles of growing that rape the soil and require ever more chemicals and pesticides to keep up the same results. I am less concerned with local sourcing. I believe we are in a global economy - for better or worse. But HB may not be compatible with your growing philosophy. That's cool. Or maybe you are already a HB grower. That's cool too. If you are completely satisfied with your grows and results, I'd keep doing what you are doing and evangelize that method. "Natural" can be good. Just remember there is a fair amount of "natural" that isn't. Natural isn't always what I want. Left to themselves, most crops are not nearly as good as those cared for by growers. Not much we consume today is truly natural. Even heritage/heirloom varieties have been bred to make them "better" for human consumption. Anyone want to smoke a big joint of Kansas Killer Ditch Weed? :laughtwo: Anyway - it's all good. Like you said, we're all here to grow the best we can. I hope you stick around and add to the discussion and our understanding of how to grow better.
 
I bought 5 of docs kits just to start could potentially be about 20 kits a year and thats with my use of HG on other strains as well.
I haven't tried but am a believer soil is almost ready and it does produce heat.

I recommend closed circuit come here. Reason being is there's alot of general grow knowledge on this thread and people seem willing to share.

More questions are always good scrubby it creates even more understanding of the general upkeep of our amazing plant.

Just cause I only post a random question here and there doesn't mean I don't follow. Ive read every post on this thread lol.

Questions are good.
 
BrixKlinger said:
chances are you guys have too much K from your compost to boost brix. also you lack foliars?

regardless of organics, there are some critical distinctions from your micro grows.

i'll just toss that in for starters.
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Many of us do use foliars. I was regularly using foliars until buds started to form. I have a special case where I am battling low RH...so I don't use my circulating fan very much ATM because I'm worried I'll dry out my soil too much...and if I cant keep my fan on after a foliar when half way through flower...well lets just say I am mold paranoid. I'm growing in scrog, so if I try to spray just the leaves I often just end up dousing buds as well.
 
Dutty Panty said:
I bought 5 of docs kits just to start could potentially be about 20 kits a year and thats with my use of HG on other strains as well.
I haven't tried but am a believer soil is almost ready and it does produce heat.

I recommend closed circuit come here. Reason being is there's alot of general grow knowledge on this thread and people seem willing to share.

More questions are always good scrubby it creates even more understanding of the general upkeep of our amazing plant.

Just cause I only post a random question here and there doesn't mean I don't follow. Ive read every post on this thread lol.

Questions are good.
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Im sorry Dutty! It was you who told us to come over! I gave the credit to Greytail...let me fix that!
 
Major PITA said:
SS and CC, I respect and support your growing method and desire to learn. I am here as a novice gardener, also with a desire to learn as much as possible. My gardening is organic - but again, I'm just learning to crawl. In my mind, if the plants are happy because the microbes are happy because the soil is happy, I am much less concerned about one ingredient or another. The fact is, the soil is getting better and better, with less and less amendments after each harvest (at least that's my take). This is what I want. I do not like commercial styles of growing that rape the soil and require ever more chemicals and pesticides to keep up the same results. I am less concerned with local sourcing. I believe we are in a global economy - for better or worse. But HB may not be compatible with your growing philosophy. That's cool. Or maybe you are already a HB grower. That's cool too. If you are completely satisfied with your grows and results, I'd keep doing what you are doing and evangelize that method. "Natural" can be good. Just remember there is a fair amount of "natural" that isn't. Natural isn't always what I want. Left to themselves, most crops are not nearly as good as those cared for by growers. Not much we consume today is truly natural. Even heritage/heirloom varieties have been bred to make them "better" for human consumption. Anyone want to smoke a big joint of Kansas Killer Ditch Weed? :laughtwo: Anyway - it's all good. Like you said, we're all here to grow the best we can. I hope you stick around and add to the discussion and our understanding of how to grow better.
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Definitely valid. Not everything we are doing is "natural" exactly. But I think you get what I am saying. And you're right it isn't about who grows best. That was never my intention. But I would be a fool if all the while there is this river of knowledge that I am not willing to tap into because of being misinformed. If anything I am already re-examining how to implement proper mineral ratios in my soil so as to improve cation and microbial health.

I will likely get my soil tested. Can any of you recommend a soil testing facility out of state where I can specify the crop is cannabis? or would that be a bad idea? lol Should I just get my soil tested locally and not specify crop?
 
ClosedCircuit said:
Many of us do use foliars. I was regularly using foliars until buds started to form. I have a special case where I am battling low RH...so I don't use my circulating fan very much ATM because I'm worried I'll dry out my soil too much...and if I cant keep my fan on after a foliar when half way through flower...well lets just say I am mold paranoid. I'm growing in scrog, so if I try to spray just the leaves I often just end up dousing buds as well.
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CC get that RH situation fixed as soon as you can. It will help your grow much more than any tweaks your going to do to your soil. I live in Vegas so I have the same problem, once I stopped being lazy and got my RH up where it should be everything else fell right in line :thumb: Also your circulating fan should always be left on, ESPECIALLY if your concerned about mold.
 
SmokeyMcFly said:
CC get that RH situation fixed as soon as you can. It will help your grow much more than any tweaks your going to do to your soil. I live in Vegas so I have the same problem, once I stopped being lazy and got my RH up where it should be everything else fell right in line :thumb: Also your circulating fan should always be left on, ESPECIALLY if your concerned about mold.
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That's why this thread is soo much more than just high brix tons of experience in these pages. Ive Been growing 17 years 4 professionally and I learn stuff in here alot. Mostly HB related but look at the other useful tips as well
 
Hell, I say ask questions, get answers (and understanding) and make it better. That's why we're all here anyway...to grow really great produce. I'm thrilled with Doc's kit and the produce it makes, but if something were discovered/uncovered/applied that makes it better, I'd be all over it...once I determined for myself it was legit. ;)

Today is Friday innit? :cool:
 
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