Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

[ClosedCircuit]

They're simple salts.....what does it matter where they are derived from? They are present in every soil to some extent and readily form
in nature.

I suppose I shouldn't have asked what they are derived from, but in what form you are administering them to the soil. You purchase them as dry salts or in liquid form?

How easy is it to end up with salt buildup when using them?

edit: and are these intended to be immediately soluble to plants upon application?

 

[Doc Bud]

I suppose I shouldn't have asked what they are derived from, but in what form you are administering them to the soil. You purchase them as dry salts or in liquid form?

How easy is it to end up with salt buildup when using them?

edit: and are these intended to be immediately soluble to plants upon application?

The mineral amendment is all dry ingredients. Most of it is not at all available to the plants, small portions are, namely the phosphates. The amendment is 90% rock powders, 5% biochar and the rest all that other stuff.

There is no salt buildup at all, so it's not easy at all to end up with it....

Nearly every fertilizer is a salt, IE Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium Sulfate, etc. Much of it is naturally occuring....and organic matter breaks down into salts too. As long as you don't over do it on the ferts, organic or otherwise, salt build up isn't an issue. In fact, we are ADDING salts to certain strains in order for them to turn out in a familiar way.

You might be confusing bicarbonates with salts?

 

[SmokeyMcFly]

I have access to all kinds of strains, clones and seeds. I have more strains in seed form than I'll ever grow in my lifetime and I can easily get the latest and greatest clones of whatever. In fact, I've got authentic Wedding Cake coming next week.

The thing is all the "new" stuff is nothing more than all the old stuff combined and re-arranged. Most of it isnt' as good as the old stuff, IMO. Some of it is incredible.....



Paki looks as good as anything that's won before....going by pictures, trichome density, etc. But who knows what the other stuff is like? I'll be sampling as much as I can!

To a person, my circle of support is far more confident than I am regarding the cup. We shall see!

This should tell you something

I wonder how much they actually smoke of each entry. I hope they get to smoke enough to get the no celling effect Unfortunately the judges wont be able to experience some of best features of HB bud like the lack of a traditional tolerance build up you get with normal buds. For someone like me that can only have a couple strains at a time that is more important than any other factor and I will never grow non HB nug again for that reason alone

I wish you much luck and hope they get to smoke enough of it to realize whats in front of them. If so I think your gonna open some eyes, you certainly opened mine, or should I say close them some

Have a great time!

Edit.
I managed to talk the wife into making the trip up with me this weekend tonight and then we realized we have a vet appointment for our dog on Saturday that we really cant put off. Bummer but we will be catching you all next time around fo-sho

 

[DrZiggy]

I'm not ready to go full time with the "kit" business just yet, it's hard enough keeping up with orders as it is. I've got some part time help, but I'm waiting for the right time to lever up, get web presence, etc. I need a better shipping/receiving set up, which will require some work, which will require some time.....which I am not willing to give up just yet.....

Soon. When I feel the time is right I'll probably donate to the community garden and some church gardens first. School's aren't allowed to eat healthy food around here.

I just got an idea! My child's school has a small garden. I will get a kit and donate it to the school. Can you send me an invoice? I will try to help garden there too. Im donating one of my hives to the school come march/april.

BTW, how many square feet of outdoor garden for vegetables does a kit cover?
TY

 

[PakaloloHawaii]

I just got an idea! My child's school has a small garden. I will get a kit and donate it to the school. Can you send me an invoice? I will try to help garden there too. Im donating one of my hives to the school come march/april.

BTW, how many square feet of outdoor garden for vegetables does a kit cover?
TY

I would think a bale of promix would fill a 2x3 planter nicely

 

[Graytail]

I think the kit is sized for 32 sqft of gardening bed.

... but you'd need a lot more than a bale of Pro-Mix ... No, that's for the dosages for the drenches.

I bet you could build your own soil with peat, though ...



[Edit] Did some math. A 4x8 plot one foot deep would be 7x32 = 224 gallons. That's about 4 bales of Pro-Mix and 100 lbs of EWC.

 

[COorganics]

Fill a planter up with wood 3/4 of the way and put kit soil on top. Won't barely ever need a watering either. Hugelkultur beds are smart and economical and kit soil makes nutrient dense produce! Boom!

 

[SloTown805]

i had to share these photos of doc's grape ape strain, the build up of resin/trichomes is absolutely insane….
(grown by doc buds)

 

[Graytail]

And it's so pretty!! Wow!

Absolutely awesome.

 

[SmokeyMcFly]

Quick question that I don't remember seeing anywhere in my travels, err I mean readings.

What actually requires the month recook? The amendment, or any of it. I like to throw my trash leaves in my soil instead the garbage and sometimes it gets used much less than a month after its had more plant matter added into it. I always give it the 30 days after its recycled proper after a harvest before using it again so no worries there

Thanks

 

[DrZiggy]

i had to share these photos of doc's grape ape strain, the build up of resin/trichomes is absolutely insane....
(grown by doc buds)

Slotown, Wow!!!
So does it smell like a Grape KneeHi (actually I hope not artificial flavors/scents never compare to the real thing, at least to me unfortunately most peeps have never tasted, or smelled, incredibly well grown grapes, or other produce, and fake stuff gets 'standardized' while the real deal you have to learn about from a blog..

How much further does that have?

 

[ClosedCircuit]

The mineral amendment is all dry ingredients. Most of it is not at all available to the plants, small portions are, namely the phosphates. The amendment is 90% rock powders, 5% biochar and the rest all that other stuff.

There is no salt buildup at all, so it's not easy at all to end up with it....

Nearly every fertilizer is a salt, IE Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium Sulfate, etc. Much of it is naturally occuring....and organic matter breaks down into salts too. As long as you don't over do it on the ferts, organic or otherwise, salt build up isn't an issue. In fact, we are ADDING salts to certain strains in order for them to turn out in a familiar way.

You might be confusing bicarbonates with salts?

Without a soil testing would you recommend against using those salts? What's the margin for error? I know the kits can tailored to individual soil, but I'm thinking specifically about those who are trying to determine portions needed without any of that.

 

[Doc Bud]

Quick question that I don't remember seeing anywhere in my travels, err I mean readings.

What actually requires the month recook? The amendment, or any of it. I like to throw my trash leaves in my soil instead the garbage and sometimes it gets used much less than a month after its had more plant matter added into it. I always give it the 30 days after its recycled proper after a harvest before using it again so no worries there

Thanks

I like the soil to rest after a harvest and it's imperative to cook it because we want all those roots and leaves to digest.

 

[Doc Bud]

Slotown, Wow!!!
So does it smell like a Grape KneeHi (actually I hope not artificial flavors/scents never compare to the real thing, at least to me unfortunately most peeps have never tasted, or smelled, incredibly well grown grapes, or other produce, and fake stuff gets 'standardized' while the real deal you have to learn about from a blog..

How much further does that have?

That will come down next week....12 weeks in bloom.

SLOtown is a huge help and is becoming a great grower himself. I wish he'd post pics of his second grow ever....they don't look much different than what you see up there.....or is that your stuff?

 

[Doc Bud]

Without a soil testing would you recommend against using those salts? What's the margin for error? I know the kits can tailored to individual soil, but I'm thinking specifically about those who are trying to determine portions needed without any of that.

Why not get a test? Can you tell by looking how much boron is in your soil? What about Molybdenum? Also, do you want to add sulfate of ammonia or ammonium phosphate....or both?

I recommend getting a soil test! When you do that, you'll then need to buy all the stuff in bulk to make your own amendment. I can help you there. I can get a 50 lb bag of carbonized limestone for 50.00.....SRP for the same. Copper Sulfate about 190.00 per 50 pounds. Of course, all of that requires shipping

Shoot, you'll only spend about 1100.00 or so on all the raw ingredients and then you'll have a lifetime supply( about 500 lbs) of unmixed ingredients!

And then you can buy more things next year when your soil changes!

Or...you could get a soil test and have your mineral broadcast custom blended for you at a fraction of the cost of buying all that in bulk.

But seriously dude....you're growing under CFL's! You're a micro-micro grower---nothing wrong with that---a single kit will last you several grows and the cost is 85.00 including shipping.

But as for determining portions without a soil test......it's probably best if you just follow recipe. I used to think my organic, mineralized soil was badass...until I got it tested.

And the difference between my first true high brix grow and my home-built soils was pretty stark! Do it right. Why guess?

 

[Major PITA]

Without a soil testing would you recommend against using those salts? What's the margin for error? I know the kits can tailored to individual soil, but I'm thinking specifically about those who are trying to determine portions needed without any of that.

I'm really not trying to be a d!(k, but for the life of me, I can't see why you don't just buy a kit and give it a try. It will be faster, cheaper, easier and more reliable than guessing and trying to reinvent the HB wheel. At least you'll know if HB is for you. By second-guessing every component and attempting to duplicate the final product, you'll never really know if you've dialed everything in correctly.
Or just buy a $25 refractometer and see if you are already a HB grower with your current soil.

 

[scrubby]

I'm really not trying to be a d!(k, but for the life of me, I can't see why you don't just buy a kit and give it a try. It will be faster, cheaper, easier and more reliable than guessing and trying to reinvent the HB wheel. At least you'll know if HB is for you. By second-guessing every component and attempting to duplicate the final product, you'll never really know if you've dialed everything in correctly.
Or just buy a $25 refractometer and see if you are already a HB grower with your current soil.

Ive been wanting to say that this whole time. The proof is right here on 420...sheesh!

 

[ClosedCircuit]

Why not get a test? Can you tell by looking how much boron is in your soil? What about Molybdenum? Also, do you want to add sulfate of ammonia or ammonium phosphate....or both?

I recommend getting a soil test! When you do that, you'll then need to buy all the stuff in bulk to make your own amendment. I can help you there. I can get a 50 lb bag of carbonized limestone for 50.00.....SRP for the same. Copper Sulfate about 190.00 per 50 pounds. Of course, all of that requires shipping

Shoot, you'll only spend about 1100.00 or so on all the raw ingredients and then you'll have a lifetime supply( about 500 lbs) of unmixed ingredients!

And then you can buy more things next year when your soil changes!

Or...you could get a soil test and have your mineral broadcast custom blended for you at a fraction of the cost of buying all that in bulk.

But seriously dude....you're growing under CFL's! You're a micro-micro grower---nothing wrong with that---a single kit will last you several grows and the cost is 85.00 including shipping.

But as for determining portions without a soil test......it's probably best if you just follow recipe. I used to think my organic, mineralized soil was badass...until I got it tested.

And the difference between my first true high brix grow and my home-built soils was pretty stark! Do it right. Why guess?

I'm not asking these questions because I want to add them willy nilly and see if I can reinvent HB. I am asking because I want to understand every aspect of all the additives in your kit - including the risks of certain amendments if improperly used - based on your experience as someone who has studied the subject. The salts we are discussing are inorganic fertilizers with well documented results of over use. I understand that these are naturally occurring amendments, and even bicarbonate ferts -if used in exact amounts- can be harmless. But they aren't always harmless because many users do to not know how much to use. However, what we have with hi-brix is a concerted effort to use organic and certain inorganic fertilizers in precise amounts so as to reach peak plant health without out any negative effects to the environment. Honestly, its a very fine line - but that is kind of the point here.

I am not questioning you to be a bother as others might think. I ask questions because, like you, I want to know exactly what is going on. Alot of your following is ok with just purchasing a kit and having a go. That's perfectly fine, but I didn't get into LSO because I wanted a plug and play solution. More than having the best bud ever, I want to know how it happens. If I don't understand a product, its not going into my grow until I do.

Your plants are very impressive, and the relatively instant results of your followers who switch over are pretty impressive as well. I am considering buying one of your kits, but not before I ask some more questions, and do more research. I hope you can respect that. I want to once again reiterate that I'm not trying to be aggressive here, but am legitimately curious about your product.

 

[SweetSue]

I'm really not trying to be a d!(k, but for the life of me, I can't see why you don't just buy a kit and give it a try. It will be faster, cheaper, easier and more reliable than guessing and trying to reinvent the HB wheel. At least you'll know if HB is for you. By second-guessing every component and attempting to duplicate the final product, you'll never really know if you've dialed everything in correctly.
Or just buy a $25 refractometer and see if you are already a HB grower with your current soil.

Looking over the list of amendments gave me pause. There are components that list as inorganic fertilizers and quite a few added salts. Ammonium sulfate use in an organic garden apparently means you remove yourself from organic gardening for three years until the soil recovers, and yet it is a regular amendment to your kit. Ammonium phosphate is listed as inorganic. Calcium nitrate is also listed as inorganic.

Am I missing something here? Our basic soil mixes are pretty similar, but adding all those salts and fertilizers makes me uneasy. Is this really organic? Your position is that you're feeding the soil but it appears that many of your amendments are feeding the plant. What am I missing?

I'm not trying to do anything more than come to a better understanding of a process you claim is organic. Help me reach that understanding.

 

[Major PITA]

CC, I completely respect your desire to understand how things work. I do not find your questions aggressive or out of line. I'm the same way about wanting to understand more fully. It may be the primary reason I haven't popped for a kit yet. But I think the main point is, until you do a soil test, most of your questions are moot. No matter how much you learn about the end result and how Doc got there, you won't know how to get there yourself until you: 1) test your soil, or 2) buy some HP Promix, EWC and a kit. Knowledge is power but the key piece of the puzzle you are missing is your starting point. If you don't know where you are, no map will help you get to your destination.