Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures

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Hey Doc,

Very first post ever but have been lurking for a couple of years now. It all started when a dear friend from our weekly poker club was srtickened with terminal cancer and soon to follow was my beloved uncle. So I started a mission to relieve them of the financial strain of high dispensary costs and set out to grow them their medicine(some outdoor clone stuff). They have since both passed on. I want to personally thank you for the wealth of knowledge that you have provided me and I am sure countless others.

I have not been on the site for awhile so I checked in to lurk some more and came accross your high brix work. I love and have to be part of this! An artisan at heart so I am just gonna get on ur coat tails and enjoy the ride. I was thinking I might be too late for an outdoor north cali grow but then saw your quick start in the lab thread gave me hope to get the starts going while cooking the soil.

6 plants
25-30 gal pots

Thoughts on an outdoor endeavor such as this and will it work? time and kit wise.



Again...... thanks for all the inspiration and knowledge.

Peace,

Any2
 
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Any2cards said:
Hey Doc,

Very first post ever but have been lurking for a couple of years now. It all started when a dear friend from our weekly poker club was srtickened with terminal cancer and soon to follow was my beloved uncle. So I started a mission to relieve them of the financial strain of high dispensary costs and set out to grow them their medicine(some outdoor clone stuff). They have since both passed on. I want to personally thank you for the wealth of knowledge that you have provided me and I am sure countless others.

I have not been on the site for awhile so I checked in to lurk some more and came accross your high brix work. I love and have to be part of this! An artisan at heart so I am just gonna get on ur coat tails and enjoy the ride. I was thinking I might be too late for an outdoor north cali grow but then saw your quick start in the lab thread gave me hope to get the starts going while cooking the soil.

6 plants
25-30 gal pots

Thoughts on an outdoor endeavor such as this and will it work? time and kit wise.



Again...... thanks for all the inspiration and knowledge.

Peace,

Any2
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It can be done!

What did you have in mind? As far as a kit grow, no problem. You'll need 3-4 bales of ProMix HP mycoryzza and 60 to 70 pounds of worm castings.

PM incoming.
 
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Got it Doc thanks! Looking forward to putting it all together. Again....thanks for all that you do!

PM received and response sent.

Peace,

Any2
 
re: Doc Bud - High Brix Q&A With Pictures

A Tale of Two Drenches

these are two identical clones of the Jack Herer strain. One was aggressively fed the Cationic drench, the other ONLY got the Cationic drench.

Only got the drench. Super tight, dense calyx structure.
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Got the drench twice, but a bit heavy on it. Leaf damage, but buds are looking A1.
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Same soil, identical clones, same sprays....just a different source of nitrogen. I've grown this exact strain in:

Hempy w Fox Farms
FFOF with OC+
Organic soil with OC+
Organic soil with organic ferts
Super soil....2 versions

All in all I've had 12 cycles of this exact strain and each time the buds looked pretty similar to the second picture. Never have I seen such a drastic difference as this.

In High Brix soil, little changes have huge impacts. This is damn fun!

Here's some Lemon Thai, or Champagne, as I call it now:
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Pretty amazing Doc. It's nice to be so familiar with a strain, when you make some changes you can tell right away. The Jack with 2 drenches looks perfect. Champagne is my favorite, though.

Have you sent any buds off to be tested for thc and cbd?

It'd be expensive but interesting to compare numbers on the same strain grown hydro or OC+ versus HB. I am sure the HB bud would win on taste and effect, but to see where the numbers fell would be something.
 
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Steppenwolf said:
Pretty amazing Doc. It's nice to be so familiar with a strain, when you make some changes you can tell right away. The Jack with 2 drenches looks perfect. Champagne is my favorite, though.

Have you sent any buds off to be tested for thc and cbd?

It'd be expensive but interesting to compare numbers on the same strain grown hydro or OC+ versus HB. I am sure the HB bud would win on taste and effect, but to see where the numbers fell would be something.
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The testing is on my list. I was set to do it in February, as part of a small research project. However, some things came up and it was postponed. I'm definitely going to get it tested. Everyone agrees it's gotten very strong the last 2 runs. It was never a weak effect and was always very smooth....now it's smooth and really strong. I can actually get pretty high with this stuff.

How strong? Well, we've got to get it tested. It'll happen, and you can bet I'll post the results.
 
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I can't wait to see some of those results. I've never tested anything I have grown yet. The dispensary I normally take my stuff to had a policy to test all stuff coming through. They quit that policy about the time I started bringing them stuff.

I'm going to personally test some of this HB weed when it's time. I've always wanted to get some stuff tested, but never had anything I was real excited about.
 
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Wow there's a really big difference between the 2 jacks, both are beautiful in their own right. like Steppenwolf said, that 2x drench looks perfect. Its pretty crazy how the subtle changes make all the difference with HB. Thanks for that comparison Doc, you saved me the effort of trying "aggressive" on one, it was coming...:high-five:
 
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I gotta thank you Doc and Curso as well to get me into washing buds. A friend of mine and I tried some Flo that I just washed (OK bud, but grown in hempy with OC+). I have grown 4 cycles of this same plant, so I know what to expect. The washed buds were the smoothest I have ever had, literally.

It was kinda funny. A guy from the dispensary gave me a small Hindu Kush bud that he said I had to try. He said it was "phenomenal". My friend and I tried one hit apiece of it and we picked up on a little bit of a chemical taste on exhale. Ive tasted that before on some hydro grown stuff. Not a big deal or harsh, but you could taste it. The effect was OK.

We followed up with a hit of the Flo. Super smooth and quite a bit stronger than the Hindu Kush. Made me kinda proud that I grew it. I cant wait to try some washed HB weed. Everything I grow is getting washed now.
 
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Doc Bud said:
Bud Washing!​

Washing your produce is about the smartest thing you can do. I've only recently "discovered" it....I always wash garden produce.....gee, why not wash my favorite herb too?

This process will yield the following benefits:

1.)more even dry, much better cure
2.)pristine, washed trim.
3.)easier harvesting...15% easier IMO.
4.)MUCH BETTER FLAVOR I can't stress this enough. It tastes incredible if you wash all the crap off.

Recipe:

Thank me publicly here after you try the first harvest. (optional step)
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Thank you Doc.

I first tried a quick dry of a small test bud and it's some of the smoothest pot I have smoked.

And today another one I picked right of a hanging small bud and it burned great and tasted very nice. Even the GF picked up on it's smoothness.
 
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Hash Hound said:
Thank you Doc.

I first tried a quick dry of a small test bud and it's some of the smoothest pot I have smoked.

And today another one I picked right of a hanging small bud and it burned great and tasted very nice. Even the GF picked up on it's smoothness.
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That's good to hear! You should be happy with that harvest. Hopefully the next one is even better!
 
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Alright Doc......getting all of it together for the outdoor grow and the anticipation keeps me up at night lol. Looking forward to the whole thing! I should be getting my kit any day now.

I could not find this question in the labs or Q&A thread and I hope this is not a stupid question, but as I look around for worm castings I am finding out that prices vary quite a bit and the percieved quality. Local worm farm offers a 1/4 sift @ 18.00 for 1/3 cu ft(should be the nuts right?)to a local hardware store(Ace) that is 13 something for a cu ft. with no official numbers but say that is is 100% earthworm castings can get roughly 60lbs for under 30 bucks. Gal at the worm farm says 1/3 cu ft is approx 10 pounds should cost me a 100 bucks for 60lbs. anyway.....

Question: Wouldn't you want to test the soil with the castings or does it not change the values much of the pro-mix HP for formulating?


Peace,

Any2
 
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Any2cards said:
Alright Doc......getting all of it together for the outdoor grow and the anticipation keeps me up at night lol. Looking forward to the whole thing! I should be getting my kit any day now.

I could not find this question in the labs or Q&A thread and I hope this is not a stupid question, but as I look around for worm castings I am finding out that prices vary quite a bit and the percieved quality. Local worm farm offers a 1/4 sift @ 18.00 for 1/3 cu ft(should be the nuts right?)to a local hardware store(Ace) that is 13 something for a cu ft. with no official numbers but say that is is 100% earthworm castings can get roughly 60lbs for under 30 bucks. Gal at the worm farm says 1/3 cu ft is approx 10 pounds should cost me a 100 bucks for 60lbs. anyway.....

Question: Wouldn't you want to test the soil with the castings or does it not change the values much of the pro-mix HP for formulating?


Peace,

Any2
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Worm castings are not the same as composted worm manure.

I suggest finding some organic worm castings. Aurora, Wiggle Worm, Vermiworm, Black Gold.....there are many varieties. Don't buy some crap by the yard.....it might ruin your grow. If you can't find worm castings, go without. Don't add compost!

Your kit was packed and mailed yesterday!
 
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Picture update:

Brix is 14 on the Thai strains. 13 on the jack's.

About the Jack's:

These are identical clones, everything in the soil is exactly the same.....except for one little thing. One plant only got Cationic forms of energy....all reproductive energy, no growth energy. The other plant got AGGRESSIVE feedings of the Cationic drench twice in week 4 of bloom. I normally wouldn't use as much as I did, but I wanted to see what the limits are and what would happen. Some leaves burned, but the buds seem fine. I won't use this much again.....but had to find out. know what i mean?

Here's the plant that only got cationic drenches
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Here's the other one.
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What's the difference between these two drenches?

One only has NH4 (ammonia) for nitrogen, while the other has only NO3 (nitrate)
The ammonia based one has ammonium phosphate, ammonium sulfate and fishy ferts......the nitrate based one has Calcium nitrate and fishy ferts. Phosphate and Sulfate are also strongly skewed to the reproductive side of things.

The idea we're trying to work into practice is this:

1.)grow large, strong plants with growth energy
2.)At the right time, "switch" the soil and foliars to slam them into reproductive growth
3.)after flowers form, switch back to growth a bit in order to bulk them up.

It's all about timing. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

At present, week 4 seems "safe" for the cationic drench. Earlier, and yield will suffer. It could be that with fast strains, week 3 might be better and for slow strains, a bit longer.

I'm trying to figure out physical signs from the plants and use that for timing, IE: alternating nodes? Pre-flowers? Pistils forming at tops?

Here is Champagne:
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Steppenwolf said:
That is out of hand Doc. That champagne is really bulking up for a Thai strain. I still can't believe you are dialing things in. I love seeing the experimentation with the drench.
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Thanks bro! I'm also really happy with the way Champagne is coming along. You might have noticed that one is dark green and frosty, with compact buds and the other pheno has massive, puffy buds.

Well, again those aren't pheno's...the puffy one got fed by the book, with the cationic drench as instructed.

The compact one got fed with Transplant the whole way, except for the cationic drench. Transplant is skewed towards reproductive energy, while Energy slightly favors growth. (energy will also pack on sugar in fruits and vegetables....increases brix more than the others.)

As you can see, the plants grown with mostly Energy will massively outyield the darker green plant....probably by 30% or more. However, the bag appeal of the denser buds will be better, and I guarantee the flavor and effect will be different. I have no idea how....or which one will be better, but I know they will be different.

It's getting to seem like we might be looking at nuances like "high brixR" and "high brixE" with some sort of scale so people can figure out what flavor of product they want. It's like fermenting wine in aged French Oak, or American oak, new or not.....etc.

None of these subtleties are really possible without a high brix approach, IMO. I've never seen soil respond like this before. Let me tell you, it's friggin fun!
 
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Fun is right Doc! I can kinda tell you enjoy this. The ability to make such obvious changes in the same strains by altering feedings is amazing. I can see you getting to the point where you can say: if resin production, potency and taste are your goal feed this way. If yield is your goal feed this way. It may even be more strain specific where certain strains prefer a certain type of feed at certain times in order to reach their potential. (Just me guessing by the way)

It's fun for me to watch you experiment and its really fun to be growing high brix on my own. I literally can't get rid of my plants in perlite and mineralized soil fast enough.
 
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Hey Doc,

Just recieved my kit for my upcoming outdoor grow today thanks! I had a question. Since I am using 3 bales is that basically 3 kits? Should I be recieving 3x of everything? Also should I use email instead?

Thanks,

Any2
 
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Any2cards said:
Hey Doc,

Just recieved my kit for my upcoming outdoor grow today thanks! I had a question. Since I am using 3 bales is that basically 3 kits? Should I be recieving 3x of everything? Also should I use email instead?

Thanks,

Any2
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I packed you 3 of everything.....actually a bit more than that. You also got the extra Root Zone you ordered. The sprays are in larger containers than I normally use, so that might have thrown you off.....but you've got 24 oz of each foliar there.

I also tweaked the re-charge for you just a bit. Your bloom should be vigorous!
 
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Ok Doc that is what I thought. Going to start the cook today!(cant wait)

Ok I will just use what is on page 5 from the Lab thread as a pick slip as a guide and will go over the containers they were packed in just to make sure. Have no doubts these girls will be sexy! Here are my observations. I did not see any signs of leakage and the caps were all taped off.

What is included in the kit:


1.)Soil amendment. Minerals, plant food, etc. There is one large bag of this marked, “Amendment” - Good, 3 bags.


2.)Soil re-charge. Similar to the amendment but with a a few additions. There is a bag marked “re-charge.) - Good, 3 bags.


3.)Root Mycorrhizal inoculate. This is added to the transplant hole, or the hole where seeds are germinated. This bag is marked “Root Zone.” - Good(have the extra root zone too!)



4.)8 oz foliar spray “Brix” - They look like qt size containers for the brix and the stress. Brix had 12oz total in the container.



5.) 8 oz foliar spray called “Stress” - 16oz total



6.) 6 oz fertilizer called, “Energy” - looks like 4 oz containers recieved 3 bottles for approx 12 oz.



7.) 1 oz soil conditioner called, “Conditioner.” - Good, 2 of the 2 oz little black and white containers.




1.1 oz concentrated microbial boost called “Tea” - Good, same as conditioner.


2.1 oz Organic Nutrient Extract, called “transplant” - More than good, 2 4oz containers roughly 7oz +

Plus 2 2oz containers with the cationic for week 4(2x) and 1 container marked just cationic.

So my main concern is the brix,stress and the energy.

Ok gotta run off to work....I will check back later. Can't wait! Why do I feel like a little kid in a candy store lol ;

Peace,

Any2
 
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