DIY Stealth Cab, Hydro, LED & Multiple Strains in Small Space - Oh Boy!

[Mr. Krip]

Nothing wrong with a full house! They are fighting for space and room though.
No other place to put one of them? Just thinking......

OMM, almost forgot to respond to you before posting the update! Unfortunately, there really is no other place to put either of them without sacraficing stealth and/or incurring significant additional expense (lights, ventillation, cab, etc.) but don't think I haven't considered it.

I've just kind of accepted that this first grow is going to be crowded due to the circumstances that got me the plants, and I hope to be able to control it better on future grows.

It was a good thought!

 

[Mr. Krip]

PIC UPDATE:

Sorry for not getting the veg pics up yesterday, but it was a busy day and as all the hydro guys know, just doing res changes eats up a good chunk of it!

So, yesterday I tossed the later clones and topped the first clone. I didn't do anything with the LS* yet. Still trying to formulate the right plan for her.

Here's what veg looks like currently:

The PE is really bushing out from the UBT:

The hempy haze is also bushing out from her LST:

The AK clone that got topped also had a nice growth spurt in the last 24 hours:

The PE top the got cloned from the UBT is hanging in there, or at least not showing signs yet I need to worry:

And finally (for veg!), little Lucy, the runt! It's hard to believe she's three days older than the PE that got topped between the 2nd and 3rd nodes and she's never been topped and still not transplanted from her mini hempy:

I also checked (of course!) on the girls in flower. No signs of nute burn at all from the increased bloom PPM's, and in fact, they both had another growth spurt last night. The AK is just flat-out out of control. So, I took her out and, once again, tied down all the high colas. I was pretty agressive and it actually bought me back 3"-4" or more in vertical height, but there's not much more space available to move branches to.

While I was checking, I couldn't resist taking some more pics since not only did the AK have some nice vertical growth, but she also had some nice development in her bud sites:

Happy Harvests!

 

[SuKaFr33]

look like mines alittle bit with the pistils growin everywhere, but yea ur lookin good over there, i think one day i might try the clonin thing... not that expertised yet...lol ...one day...

 

[Hydrologist]

Yo Krip-
My internet has been down for the last couple days so my bad for being a bit distant from the forum for a minute but just wanted to congratulate you on the progress! Yo so are those DWC buckets and you just a large net pot holding that "sure2grow white square things" Or am I wrong? Oh and a couple pages ago you responding to my question about if you were useing c02 or not I would segguest if you can't fit it in the box you could always have a tube going inside your box spewing c02 into it. But is it detremental that nothing suspicious be outside the box? If so thats a bummer :/. Regardless keep up the good work! Great job!
-Hydrologist

PS!!
I've been flushing the girl thats been in Bloom this whole time and on tuesday we're ganna chop her up so there will be some bad ass pics comming soon! Also Im in the transition to Bloom faze with my personal grow and i'll have more pictures up soon but so far everything is going PERFECT! No bugs, no nutrient issues just massive growth with the chiller keeping my h20 at a perfect 65 deg/F and with my new bottom drains dude i've been able to keep track of my PH and PPM perfectly and have been keeping them in the perfect ranges so im really stoked. And soon I plan on putting a net above her (as soon as we chop Sandra i'll put the net up) and basically do a one plant Scrog. It'll be bad ass. Take it easy dude and hope you stop by my threads some time in the next couple days and check out the pics!
-Hydrologist

 

[OldMedMan]

They look good my friend.

Little Lucy is my favorite!

 

[whitey78]

Hey k, is Lucy a clone or from seed? Sorry bro, haven't had a chance to go through the whole thread yet. I need some good bud and some good coffee, I have neither at. this point in time so hopefully this week I can get some good isht......

However, your Lucy is crazy looking.

 

[Mr. Krip]

look like mines alittle bit with the pistils growin everywhere, but yea ur lookin good over there, i think one day i might try the clonin thing... not that expertised yet...lol ...one day...

Thanks, Suka. There's a lot of info and videos out there on how to clone and it really is very simple. I definately recommend you try it the next time you're gonna top one of your plants. It's a great way to keep a particlurly good strain/pheno going for many harvests and maximize the return on expensive seeds/clones.

 

[Mr. Krip]

They look good my friend.

Little Lucy is my favorite!

Thanks, OMM! Lucy needs all the support she can get! Believe it or not, she actually has 11 nodes but you can see how small she is. I don't know if she's just a mutant (in which case, if I clone her, I'd expect more mutants!) or was stunted because she was started in one of those STG grow cubes, which I had horrible results with. Lucy is the ONLY one started in an STG cube that actually survived...That is, if you call being a halfling in a world of giants surviving!

Hey k, is Lucy a clone or from seed? Sorry bro, haven't had a chance to go through the whole thread yet. I need some good bud and some good coffee, I have neither at. this point in time so hopefully this week I can get some good isht......

However, your Lucy is crazy looking.

W, Lucy is from seed, but as mentioned above, she had a rought start to life in an STG cube. I'm not having any problems with the STG "Hail" media in the waterfarms, but I would NOT recommend their grow cubes at all. I've since moved to rockwool and have had much better success. I hear rapid rooters also work very well. I had been warned by a few people against the STG cubes (JCool, you still around? If so, thanks for the heads-up!) but had really hoped to standardize on STG's media. As we're finding together...we live and learn!

 

[WeednFeed]

Looking good Mr Krip! Growing by leaps and bounds. On the last bunch of pics, 2nd from the bottom I'm seeing some white spots. Could be dust, mineral deposits from foliar spray, whatever... but it does look familiar. Just wanted to mention it as I'd hate to see you get the consumption like I did.

 

[WeednFeed]

ps. It looks like an old western in there with all those pistols!!!

 

[Mr. Krip]

Looking good Mr Krip! Growing by leaps and bounds. On the last bunch of pics, 2nd from the bottom I'm seeing some white spots. Could be dust, mineral deposits from foliar spray, whatever... but it does look familiar. Just wanted to mention it as I'd hate to see you get the consumption like I did.

Good eye, WnF! Unfortunately, I know it comes from experience!

I've noticed those spots (and others) previously and believe it's some salt build-up from when I was doing foliar spraying. It's only noticable on some of the older leaves and doesn't appear to be spreading in any way. I actually examined one of the discolorations under a 30x jeweler's loupe and although it looked like a crystalline structure, to be honest, I'm not sure I could tell or would be able to distinguish it from PM. So, just to be safe, I've been spraying them once per week with that Fungicide/Miticide I had picked up. More as a preventative than anything else, but I don't think it's PM.

FYI...I had read a thread where one grower says he sprays his plants with PH 10 water to prevent PM. Ever hear of this?

 

[Mr. Krip]

ps. It looks like an old western in there with all those pistols!!!

Yeah, it's like that old western movie, "HIGH Noon"!

 

[WeednFeed]

I actually examined one of the discolorations under a 30x jeweler's loupe and although it looked like a crystalline structure, to be honest, I'm not sure I could tell or would be able to distinguish it from PM. So, just to be safe, I've been spraying them once per week with that Fungicide/Miticide I had picked up. More as a preventative than anything else, but I don't think it's PM.

FYI...I had read a thread where one grower says he sprays his plants with PH 10 water to prevent PM. Ever hear of this?

I looked at mine under high mag too and it appeared to be like a small grain of salt. Simply wiping your finger over it and seeing if it turns to dust will let you know. If you're using a fungicide it won't be a problem and that will keep it in check. For what it's worth, I sprayed mine on top, underneath and hit the stalks and stems too. I had also read about spraying with high ph, but I didn't want to risk the cuttings. I saw few posts/articles from people taking that tack.

As far as eliminating it, I don't think that's an option as it's systemic, so control becomes the watchword. I REALLY don't think you'll have an issue with it as it really only affected the cuttings badly (age/vulnerable?). The adults responded very well to the fungicide and sulphur. I now apply fungicide every other week for control. Pleased to say I haven't seen the stuff since.

 

[whitey78]

I havent dealt with the PM yet but when I foliar my plants with the liquid light and saturater, that mix is up in that 9-10ph range if I'm not mistaken. It says to use RO water and not to correct the PH, so I did it and that shiot works!!!! I dont know about for the issues you guys are talking about but it works and have seen no ill effects as of yet and I use it every 3 days or so.

 

[Xlr8]

I havent dealt with the PM yet but when I foliar my plants with the liquid light and saturater, that mix is up in that 9-10ph range if I'm not mistaken. It says to use RO water and not to correct the PH, so I did it and that shiot works!!!! I dont know about for the issues you guys are talking about but it works and have seen no ill effects as of yet and I use it every 3 days or so.

Interesting Whitey - not to hijack Krips thread here, but have you noticed a real big difference since using it vs. before? (Liquid light) What kind of difference are you seeing? I have some and only dabbled with it a while back, and want to break it out again next grow... Thanks in advance --

 

[whitey78]

I really dont have any before experience as this is my first grow and have been using it since I got the stuff about a month ago (my oldest plants are about 50 days from sprout or so) but when you spray that stuff on it you can really tell that the plant is absorbing a lot more light than it was before you hit it with the foliar. I usually try to do it the same day I feed, after a couple hours after I feed I spray them. Within an hour after spraying them areas that were down. I've experienced this doing it just any time, I just figured they'd get the most out of it sometime after feeding, just not sure about how long after feeding, I've been trying it and seeing, all seems the same so far though. But yeah....areas that are normally down seem to jump up within an hour or so. I've been getting 2.5 inches (averaged) a day under cfl's, I dont know what they'd grow under hids but that seems like a lot to me... LOL...

Maybe I'm really high after not having any for a few days and dont make a whole lota sense... better than it looked..


Edit: I do reka-lect the other day when I started a nute program the dosage for the liquid light/sat/ was double the LL dose, it seemed like it definitely did a little something more this time. Also a few couple times I used it before I knew that it should be refridged so it was probably a little weak, so this last time it was fresh and potent, so maybe I just noticed it it more this past few times.

 

[turttle]

Thanks whitey for sharing the info on the liquide light.I am pretty interested in there foiler spray and its on my to get list.

 

[whitey78]

One thing I wanted to mention that I forgot to tell you T..... If you notice just about all of my plants now have a piece of plastic I cut to fit over the soil, not only because I messed up when I transplanted a few and laid them to high in the pot, and now roots are showing and I cant cover them with soil because it just runs off......but that solution has a high PH...and I think because you have to put such a heavy coating on them (it says to spray until you get some run off coming off the leaves) that may have been what started to make my PH go up. I havent done a soil test, but I suspect its kinda high. I just dont want to mess with things that are going good right now....but if I use it as I do every 3 days, and the run off is going in my soil...its inevitable that its gonna get in the soil and if the PH is high in the LL/S foliar, its gonna bring the soil up a little at a time. So I'd suggest covering your soil/grow media/whatever if and when you use it to keep from going PH crazy.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Interesting Whitey - not to hijack Krips thread here, but have you noticed a real big difference since using it vs. before? (Liquid light) What kind of difference are you seeing? I have some and only dabbled with it a while back, and want to break it out again next grow... Thanks in advance --

Not a "hijack" at all! I want everyone to be able to share ideas here and do NOT want to limit discussion to only my grow, so if anyone has any questions or topics of discussion for anyone else, feel free to post them here.

 

[Mr. Krip]

QUICK PIC UPDATE:

I had to adjust the LST's on the AK again this morning and topped off the res's with plain water. They're drinking about a half gallon per day each, right now. PH & PPM's are staying stable, even when I add non-PH'd water within a few minutes, PH goes back into range.

I also swapped out the (4) 23w CFL's for (4) 46w CFL's, which I probably should have been using from the start, but in the beginning, the CFL's were planned for side-lighting. Since there's NO room on the sides, they're supplementing the LED for top-lighting. It does allow me to keep the LED closer and still get good coverage, so I'm hoping I'll also get better light penetration to the lower bud sites. I'm also hoping the AK is about at the end of it's vertical growth and will now just be focusing on packing on some big, beautiful buds!

You can see there's not really any space left in the cab, but there is a nice, fairly even canopy:

Here's some close-up pics of the nice bud development going on:

Happy Harvests!