DC’s Roaring 20’s Perpetual Garden!

[MrSauga]

That's what I read though.

I know, and it's why you were tagged here

The point of CA assimilation is directly behind the root tip and drives it's growth..

So Dee's thinking was by driving in the stakes they may have been damaging the roots. So it was thought that the tips in particular would have been damaged causing the Ca issues to appear. But yes, because of the size of the wire it's not likely the case. It was something that I remembered when dealing with Ca issues that's all.

 

[InTheShed]

Derby does root coring with the wires from inside Romex and doesn't run into any negative consequences.

 

[Virgin Ground]

I think that would be from something else.
I can certainly look for that article if you would like. You may not get results tonight though.

 

[MrSauga]

I can certainly look for that article if you would like. You may not get results tonight though.

I don't think it's required. I think the concensus is it's not root damage.

 

[Virgin Ground]

What size pots are these in??
They look overfed to me. They are starting to get the spruce green to them.

 

[DeeCee112]

They are just under 1gallon, I’ll be transplanting tomorrow to 5g bags rootbound is another possibility causing issues I thought these pots were bigger. I agree with the overfed look, they are on the darker size of the green I think I’m shooting for. I don’t have a lot of experience on my side though for knowing the right shade of green.

Ive reduced my MC dose to 4grams and included 2ml of Calmag. Maybe these two or three plants just require more calcium than the Megacrop can supply without overdoing nitrogen.

 

[Backlipslide]

Good morning Dee Cee!!

 

[DeeCee112]

Hey bro!

Busy morning I’ve had so far. First off noticed this on one of the girls which was totally not there last night!

So I pulled her out of the pot and I think I found the “root” of my problems!

I ran out of Promix for the last three though, rookie move, I didn’t even think about making sure I had enough left in my bale before starting this grow and my hydro shop that sells the 3.8cu ft bales is closed because of the virus so I have to buy 5 gal bags from the hardware store for twice the price! That’s twice now already I’ve been late on the uppot, Lesson learned!

 

[Backlipslide]

That’s a crazy amount of roots! Good catch!
I’m trying to type this out to you but my daughter is using me as a jungle gym...

Sorry to hear you had to pay the extra money on a medium!! That sucks!

 

[DeeCee112]

Good news: found a bale of Promix
Bad news: it is BX not HP, but I bought a bag of perlite so I’ll try to make it HP lol

 

[Backlipslide]

I’ve usually (or atleast I have since buying my promix) have a bag of perlite. Bought it with the medium thinking I needed to mix some in. Little did I know it was already mixed in lol. So now I have an untouched big ass bag not being used lol

 

[MrSauga]

Great looking roots and good find! I'm not sure but I think Virgin Ground used BX too or finally did find some HP in the end.

 

[DeeCee112]

Week 6 - Righting the Ship

After transplanting all the girls into slightly moist new medium in 5 gallon fabric bags they appear to have stabilized. I’ll be keeping an eye on the calcium or phosphorus (if being locked out) deficiency that is now on all but one plant for any further progression while maintaining my plan of a reduced feed at 4g of megacrop and supplemental 2ml of Calmag. I’ve also stopped all training except slight opening of the top shoots for now without using stakes. (PS I measured the wire and it’s actually closer to 3/32” if that matters)

Strawberry Cream #2 got hit pretty hard with something. It came on seemingly overnight and quickly spread through the plant, killing some leaves outright and even affecting the newest very young growth. The wave seemed to hit growth from top to bottom without discretion.

I’m hopeful that being somewhat rootbound was the major contributor and now that they have a ton of legroom we are in the clear for productive happy growth!

If anyone else has a better idea on what this is please weigh in. As @Virgin Ground noted I also believe many leaves are a little too dark of a green as well.

I am working on diagnosing and going down the thought process that an excess is causing a deficiency as getting up to 5g of Megacrop there should not have been a standalone deficiency. My thoughts are leading me to believe that excess nitrogen (dark green leaves) has possibly locked out calcium on the other girls, and/or in the case of SC2 potassium.
Really though I have no idea. This is the area I find myself reacting too much and too sporadically, growing is definitely a trial of patience and methodical, systematic corrections. The next few days I’ll stay the course and we will see what comes of it.

 

[Pennywise]

That plant looks like nutrient burn, most likely nitrogen. This could cause potassium to be locked out. It would eventually lead to a number of other lockouts.

 

[Virgin Ground]

Great looking roots and good find! I'm not sure but I think Virgin Ground used BX too or finally did find some HP in the end.

I never did. I use regular ProMix. The kind everyone on the net says not to use, Including Premier Tech.
I just add a crap-load of perlite.
I pay a lot less for that than a bale of BX or HP. $15 a bale for the Pro Mix and $17 for a giant bag of perlite. I'm getting 6cu ft. of mix for $32.

 

[Virgin Ground]

When you showed pics of your roots they looked a bit brown instead of feathery and snow white. This makes me think there was some acidification to your roots. This is from lockout.
Too much MC can give you too much N but can also give you too much CA. too much CA will lock out K.
For a plant that size I feed around 4gr/ gallon and watch for yellowing.
K def starts at the sereated leaf edge and moves inward. If it was only nute burn it would start at the leaf tip and curl upwards.
I see a blueish/ purple tint to your leaves ( top pic) and purple stems that also make me think K lockout.
I would dial back the MC. You just repotted so it doesn't make too much sense ( in my mind) to do a slurry or flush them.
This is what I'm seeing. I would like the other growers to confirm.

 

[MrSauga]

I would have to agree that the overfeeding may be causing the issues after seeing the latet pics.

 

[InTheShed]

And it can take over a week for a plant to recover from being root bound, so results may take a while.

 

[DeeCee112]

Were on the same page about too much nitrogen. I think in an attempt to catch up to the early on lower leaf deficiency I blew right by the right number by increasing too quickly and not waiting to see results. I am again reminded about how this is a game of patience.

I will hold at 4g/gallon with no added Calmag as advised earlier and we’ll see how they do. Other than SC2 the rest are still growing and doing quite well aside from spotting on lower leaves and overall darker green. I’ve learned it is hard to spot the colour required to track overall health under my leds as they are bright white, I need to take them out to check them. Thanks for the continued support everyone and thanks for dropping in @Virgin Ground!

 

[DeeCee112]

Week 7
The train is back on the tracks! The girls have started to absolutely burst with growth the last couple days! Holding at 4g per gallon did the trick once they worked the excess nitrogen out and they’ve stretched into fresh medium. I also applied a light foliar spray of ANs B54 b vitamins and a touch of Calmag, they looked amazing the next day.
Training continued tying branches down tucking and plucking fan leaves and underside growth tips. I’m pretty happy where they are now all out to the edges of their pots and spaced nicely with an even canopy. I’ll let them go vertical for another week, maybe two and then start thinking about flipping. I have a pile of friends that want clones this year to put in the ground so I ordered a vented dome and some rapid rooters. I found a cloning gel by Roots for 10 bucks! In a week I’ll be looking to get 10 to 15 clones rooted!

Strawberry Cream 2 back in action!
I am stunned at how well she turned around if you look at her just a week ago and now she is really blowing up!