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multiVortex said:
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That's a damn good question. Especially since I've been chasing similar with my Durban Poison.

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You can see in this pic how it's progressed. Of course now she's within days of the chop, but it started 3 or 4 weeks ago and looked very much like a calmag deficiency. (Narrator Morgan Freeman: "But it wasn't.")

I think now that while it may have been a deficiency, it may very well have been deficiency caused by a lockout. I say this as it was about the same time my EC started to rise, with a falling water level and pH. I ended up thinning down the mix a little bit that week (took water out, added back straight pH'd RO water to replace it), and then dropping down to 5.5, 5, 4.5, and now this week down to 4g/gal, or maybe 4.25g/gal.

Pictures are always difficult for me to judge in terms of the actual shade of green, so trust your instincts. If you think they're a little dark, back of in 0.5g/gal increments and see what happens. If they are a little light, bump up a half gram instead.

Back to what I mentioned above, I'm trying to get some more info on why it seems some of my plants have been more apt to eat themselves up a hair earlier and a bit more drastic than I've been used to seeing. I don't think mine has been a big issue (plants still flower fine, bulk up, and have turned out some nice smoke) but it is something I've been keeping a sharp eye on.
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I don’t see how, at the size of my plants and at 4-5grams I could possibly have a deficiency. I’m gonna go with my gut that they are also a little too dark green. I fed at 4grams with 2ml of Calmag. I’ll keep that consistent for the week and the next feed and see what happens!

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Congrats on winning plant of the month DeeCee! :bravo:
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Thanks bro, so cool to win!! Back at ya for Motm, you are on quite a streak. Well deserved!

So my wife called me at work to inform me the cats got into my tent and dragged all my plants out and ate them and they are all ruined. I nearly dropped the phone....
 
.......Which she then followed up with April Fools. I abruptly hung up. She got me good. Real good.
 
Thanks bro!! I’m actually using one of my :420: lighters right now!
 
DeeCee112 said:
@MrSauga ! Looking for some MC wisdom...Still battling whatever this is. I was up to 5g of MC last feed on Sunday, stepping up 1g per week or so.. I think I’m too high now maybe locking out something? Plants are looking a little darker green that ideal I think but I’m not that sure.
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If you've been chasing the problem since the beginning and even at 5g you still see the problem then I would do a slurry test first to see what you media is coming in at as far as pH goes. I just did a little write up on this the other day.

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Hey everybody! Here's the pics of the new photos dropped. When I was taking the group solo cup shot I knocked over the Meringue #1 and had to search for the seed. Finally found it and got her back in. She had the smallest tap so it may have been worse if it were one of the others...
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How old is the plant? 5g seems high imo when I don't see flowers, and when MC can't correct a def you have to look at other elements on why the issue is presenting itself.
 
MrSauga said:
If you've been chasing the problem since the beginning and even at 5g you still see the problem then I would do a slurry test first to see what you media is coming in at as far as pH goes. I just did a little write up on this the other day.

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Hey everybody! Here's the pics of the new photos dropped. When I was taking the group solo cup shot I knocked over the Meringue #1 and had to search for the seed. Finally found it and got her back in. She had the smallest tap so it may have been worse if it were one of the others...
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How old is the plant? 5g seems high imo when I don't see flowers, and when MC can't correct a def you have to look at other elements on why the issue is presenting itself.
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In the middle of week 5. They are in Promix HP so the medium should be very well buffered, but I will do a slurry test and we’ll see how it comes out.
 
I don’t have a PH pen unfortunately so this is the best result I could get after slurry test:

RO water starting PH 6ish to 6.5ish 9ppm
Slurry water PH looks same, 317ppm

Slurry
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Stick on the left is straight RO, right is slurry
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DeeCee112 said:
I don’t see how, at the size of my plants and at 4-5grams I could possibly have a deficiency. I’m gonna go with my gut that they are also a little too dark green. I fed at 4grams with 2ml of Calmag. I’ll keep that consistent for the week and the next feed and see what happens!
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I would agree with that assessment, and hold at 4g until flowering. Watch and see how the plant reacts, and go from there. Looks like in/out is alright, so it seems to be just a bit heavy on the nutes being most likely.

If you think you'll need calmag in flower, look up the Organic CalMag from True Plant Science. It has no nitrogen, so won't throw your ratios off.
 
Pennywise said:
You can get ph pens cheap on amazon.
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I know, I’m being a little cheap, but I haven’t needed one so far until now.

multiVortex said:
I would agree with that assessment, and hold at 4g until flowering. Watch and see how the plant reacts, and go from there. Looks like in/out is alright, so it seems to be just a bit heavy on the nutes being most likely.

If you think you'll need calmag in flower, look up the Organic CalMag from True Plant Science. It has no nitrogen, so won't throw your ratios off.
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I have a full bottle of CaliMagic still. I’ve been thinking about adding Protekt if I do indeed continue with the Calmag, but I did switch to MC to simplify so I’d rather stick to just MC.
 
DeeCee112 said:
I have a full bottle of CaliMagic still. I’ve been thinking about adding Protekt if I do indeed continue with the Calmag, but I did switch to MC to simplify so I’d rather stick to just MC.
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Agreed. That’s why I mentioned that specific calmag. No nitrogen. ;)

My GDP is only getting 1ml/gal of calmag give or take, entering early mid flower, and she’s not complaining. I did start using about 15%-20% tap water though, to bump the pH up just a bit for flower.
 
DeeCee112 said:
RO water starting PH 6ish to 6.5ish 9ppm
Slurry water PH looks same, 317ppm
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Thanks Dee and it looks just fine. At this point you just have to go one way or the other. More food or less food. Since the pH of the media is fine I would assume unless you have root damage then the Ca from MC would be sufficient.
Whichever route you go I would hold off on the calmag and watch how the plant reacts with just MC at the altered doses.

The change or reaction can happen quickly. Me, I would go up in MC as Shed mentioned and I would go without the calmag. Going higher first is a better option because if the plant is hungry then at least she's being fed. If it's too much then not much damage can happen if you see the changes early. Normally 4.5 - 5g is plenty for the age and size of your plant but some plants do require more.
 
I had an interesting thought today @MrSauga that actually related to something you touched on - root damage. I like to train early and a lot to get a good plant shape right out the gate with a reduced risk of damage as the stems are young and more flexible.

To do this training I utilize candy cane stakes I make from some 1/32“ or so steel wire I found. They work great but I sink them pretty deep so they hold good and I’m wondering if sinking 4-6 of these and resetting them sometimes daily is damaging my roots and causing some heartache. Any thoughts on this? I am going to leave the girls for 5 or so days when I plan to transplant to their final homes anyway and see if there is any noticeable positive effect.

I fed on Monday at 4grams and 2ml of Calimagic. Tonight I’m going to feed the same and if it is still visibly progressing by late next week I will switch gears to your advice and bump back to 4.5grams, then up to 5grams again and see. That will take me to week 7 and I’ll be looking to flip so hopefully it’s solved.

The deficiency is still progressing everyday, slowly, but progressing. The affected plants are otherwise seeming to grow well though and as good or better than the unaffected ones so luckily it isn’t a dire situation I have some time to tinker and figure it out.
 
DeeCee112 said:
Any thoughts on this? I am going to leave the girls for 5 or so days when I plan to transplant to their final homes anyway and see if there is any noticeable positive effect.
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I do, and it's why I made a point of mentioning it. @Virgin Ground can probably give you more info or the article to read, but here's her post on root damage, specifically the area behind the root tips.

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Just caught up. I would water lower and let it drift up. My grow had low soil pH so I used quick lime to bring it up. I think sulfur, aluminum sulfate, vinegar and the like are used to lower soil pH.
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You rang??? What's the hizzy???
 
Ahhh. Root regrowth.
First hand observations of my rooting clones leads me to believe that roots will regrow if they are damaged. It will heal at the break and put out new growth there if conditions are right. Roots can regenerate pretty quickly.
I recently did a root trim on one of my mothers as well and she was root bound within 2 weeks despite having half of her root mass chopped off quite violently. It was like I angered her. Lol
I wouldn't be concerned with a small gauge wire and damaging any roots, even moving it multiple times a day.


Did I do it Mr.S?? Did I answer the correct question!?! :battingeyelashes:
 
Virgin Ground said:
Did I do it Mr.S?? Did I answer the correct question!?! :battingeyelashes:
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No precious, you did not :hugs:

This topic had to do with the damaging of root tips where Ca is picked up. Your post was here my love!

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Just caught up. I would water lower and let it drift up. My grow had low soil pH so I used quick lime to bring it up. I think sulfur, aluminum sulfate, vinegar and the like are used to lower soil pH.
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Shazzbut!!!

But... I followed the arrow back. I was confused I guess.
I though he was talking about moving stakes.

Ok. Well then .... I'm usless. At least for the next hour. I can try to dig up that article. I am making dinner atm.
That's what I read though. The point of CA assimilation is directly behind the root tip and drives it's growth..
 
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