Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden

[MagicJim]

I get all excited when I see the Labyrinth. Thanks for the shots of the cottage....sweet!

 

[bobrown14]

Gorgeous garden and soil feeding info as usual bob. I've never voted for member of the month but I would say your as deserving as anyone on here. Those DTs are huge!! At least 6ft tall I'm guessing. How many watts of cobs are u running in that space?? Do they burn the tops? Currently trying to decide between a cob/qb kit for my 4x4

The room is 7' tall, lamps are at the roof about 4" below... most of the plants grow past the lamps and if they don't right up to them. I tie the mail colas to the sides usually. I have 1 plant now that is probably 8' tall and is now bent over, she's in the back and her top is now coming out the front of room horizontal and budlettes turning up now. That one is a mess really. Spindly she got too tall too fast but I couldn't get in there to tame her really

Thanks for the compliments.

I'm running 12 Vero29 V7 Cobs @ 100w each so at the plug I'm at 1250w which includes 2 9" fans moving some air above the canopy. So prolly right at 1200w for 12 COBs they are all 3K cept for 2 which are 1750K and they put out the orange light you see in many of my pics. I've not figured out a way to filter that color yet... I'm trying a bunch of things.

Do I burn tips... yes but I try not to. Plants can get about 4-5" directly under the lamps and then will start burning. I just tie the bushes or branches off to the sides when needed. When all the plants are going into flower I usually add long bamboo stakes on all 4 corners and use them to train the plants away from the lights. Every once in a while a plant will grow 6" overnight and into the lights and I don't catch it until its already burnt tips in the AM.

The COBs were a game changer for yields for me so I can't complain. The electric is the same or a little less but a lot more light. Heat is good as well.

I tried an early version of the panel LED early last year. I put that lamp in VEG to see what it would do... it failed as in stopped working, just never came on 1 day. So that was it for me a panels, I went to Timber Grow lights and bought my first COB array. Was soo happy with the results I bought a bunch more & what you see here is the results.

I keep taking my finger OFF the trigger on those QB boards ... not sure why. They seem to be doing very well for some folks here but I'm doing very well the way I've got things going so I tend to not want to mess with shit that's working. Stick with what works, eh?

 

[NorCaliwood]

If it ain't broke...


Keepem Green

 

[brightlight]

Enjoying your creative close up photos. Nice to have that close up capability. Everything looks great in the garden bob.

 

[GodOfPot]

Hey Bob....room looking beautiful as always bud!

Got a question for you.....I know you're an advocate for vermicompost & for good reason.....so for someone starting off small, just a 15-20gal tote with maybe 3-400 worms(or 2 lbs), what would be a good "recipe" to start off with that would turn out a great product? Trying to avoid things like "kitchen scraps" until I read and learn more into it, but just starting off with things that would be readily available to most folks anywhere

 

[dr.h00k]

Hey bob...killing it this round!......figgered' your cottage was in the general GTA area...spent a week on lake O years back on my buddies 36 foot Catalina...some nice cruising...but BUSY!!...Kajillions of dollars on there between boats and cottages(some on the smallest piece of rock sticking out of the water)...some beautiful anchorages ...I remember going to bed with three boats on a hook, and seeing ten more when getting up in the morning!...oh!...and the water temps!...beautiful...early morning dips aren't too common on Gitchigoomi(unless the sauna's fired up)...cheerz...h00k...

 

[Guy Cavallero]

Hey Bob....room looking beautiful as always bud!

Got a question for you.....I know you're an advocate for vermicompost & for good reason.....so for someone starting off small, just a 15-20gal tote with maybe 3-400 worms(or 2 lbs), what would be a good "recipe" to start off with that would turn out a great product? Trying to avoid things like "kitchen scraps" until I read and learn more into it, but just starting off with things that would be readily available to most folks anywhere

GOP, what items are you NOT going to com0ost? You're ultimately just redirecting material from your green bin I'm assuming? Are you doing a DIY setup?

 

[GodOfPot]

Initially, I don't plan on anything around the house except for the bedding...I want something that'll turn out a great product, ultimately what you put in you get out..so I figure if I can build it using "amendments" like manure, alfalfa meal, kelp meal etc. the end product should be awesome .

 

[GodOfPot]

Quicky here.....does Kelp go bad in a spray bottle with water, or does it always smell like ass?

Speaking of smells....I just opened my bin to take a peak on the bokashi...the mold growth going on is amazing but the smell...talk about wicked...I thought photosynthesis plus was bad but bokashi is super sweet/sickly and hits you like a Bruce Lee punch to the face

 

[Guy Cavallero]

My kelp must have rotted once activated by water. I just remixed and can totally picture the kelp it once was. Thanks to your description, I now know how yours smells lol.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

So I started giving my girls in veg an ACT the other day combined with 15 L of water, 1/2 a cup of kelp meal and half a cup of earthworm castings. It's going to take me a few days to run through 15L, But after those days are up I will have already flipped to flower..... Is there anything I can add to my tea during the early stages of flower and then into flower that will supercharge my soil without going overboard? I'm still planning on using my Bloom A and B through flower.

Sometime within the next two weeks, I am going to be mixing my soil for my next round, I would just like to learn how to supercharge standard Pro mix if at all possible?

 

[GodOfPot]

Malt Barley is a good one...if used in the soil and as a soil drench 3-4 times throughout the plants life it'll assist in shortening your Flower time an estimated 20-25% or something...it's packed with enzymes

 

[MagicJim]

So I started giving my girls in veg an ACT the other day combined with 15 L of water, 1/2 a cup of kelp meal and half a cup of earthworm castings. It's going to take me a few days to run through 15L, But after those days are up I will have already flipped to flower..... Is there anything I can add to my tea during the early stages of flower and then into flower that will supercharge my soil without going overboard? I'm still planning on using my Bloom A and B through flower.

Sometime within the next two weeks, I am going to be mixing my soil for my next round, I would just like to learn how to supercharge standard Pro mix if at all possible?

I just used my first malted barley tea yesterday on the girls I have in the bloom tent. Day 8 of 12/12 actually, so very early. As I understand it, this tea is for the enzymes and intended for a quicker finish, enhanced resin production and additional branch strength.

So I don't understand all the chemistry here but my intent is to run as organic as possible. These are clones of plants I've run before so I may be able to determine if the tea helps.

Now if you're going to use with bloom nutes I'm not sure if the teas will make much difference. I would think your microbes would be vulnerable to the salts.

Just my thoughts. I sure hope Bob will chime in here.

 

[GodOfPot]

There's plenty of lines out there that wouldn't directly hurt the herd, however they still follow the philosophy of feeding the plant vs feeding the herd, so the herd would be indirectly affected as the plant has access freely to its nutrients so it doesn't bother exchanging with the microbes(at least that's how I'd interpret it anyways).

Knowing now what I know about malted barley(malt anything really) don't know that I'd ever not use it, regardless of what medium I was in .

 

[bobrown14]

Just a Drive-by Mister BBrown. Bummer bout the bugs.. I might even be running my mouth, and we have to remember I don't read much,,, but that word is a trigger for me, I understand your trying a mellow way to deal with mites,,, but, mites aren't something that are always there. Least they shouldn't be..... Azamax. A proper 3 spray regiment, mites are gone. Azamax is just a neem product. But spray everything you got going into the flower room. But of course when you grow pot alot,,, eventually mites WILL find ya. Just a question of when.. The only time I get mites is when I don't treat everything as if they have them. And I like to treat everything as I start flower, but every once in awhile I slack off and then I get them. And when you have a perpetual grow,,, having plants at all stages of flower, there is always that 1 or 2 that are just about done,,, so you don't spray them,, and then they infect the ones you just finished a spraying. Mites suck... I have three that just got done with their last spraying. I spray with Azamax,,, till the shit runs off the leaf. I even get them soaked and cup my hand around the mainstem, and kind of jack it off while spraying. But just one direction,, don't get carried away. That makes sure everything gets soaked. Spray, wait 2-3 days,,, repeat, them once more in 2 days. And if you spray everything complete,,, it will kill all mites,,, cept the 'super mites'. I haven't seen them yet. But once they are 100% gone,,, then I only spray them once or twice when I flip them.

Flowers look beautiful. Labyrinth #1 is looking pretty good.............. or the Volcano Sugar?? Nice... Or was it the DT??? All look good my friend. Your pics look beautiful... Coming up there..... GL and Keepem Green

Spot on Woody and thanks for the reps. Yeah exactly what happens to me when I get em. Get lazy ... try not to spray if flowers. With those DT sativa they flower for 90 days but I get 3x yield so I "guess" it's worth it. Cept this time I let IPM go a little long, as soon as the RH dropped below 35% I got em. Winter time heat on most of the time burning off the humidity. It stressed one plant and it looks like I'm getting 20ish seeds from the Lab #2...

All good, made me harvest and it was time. I have some more to go now. I'm going to have quite a haul from this winter run. I treated the plant that had the mites. The only plant I didn't have a fan directly on.

Yeah so chop chop ... and some more chopping to come. Need to start trimming and make room on the line for more plants to hang.

Here's 1 line - I usually trim the fans off b-4 hanging but glad I didn't this time - they dried pretty fast - I'll be trimming tomorrow and I have another line 1/2 that size - then 3 more plants to hang in their place.

Line 1:

No pic of Line 2 its in my kitchen... time to get busy.

Finally working in the garden ... was transplanting, up-potting, taking cuts cleaning flower room floor and re-arranging plants and making room. My back hurts now.. oh wait... not any more!

Test Bud report - Labyrinth #1 - under scope, she's all cloudy with about 10% amber so, that's on a mid height side bud. So time to chop.

Labyrinth test buds with a short 2 day dry... first puff faint lemon taste (too wet still) turn up the heat ... 2nd puff ... vanilla, 3rd puff sweet vanilla... no more back pain and my bad mood funk is pretty close to gone with an ear muff feeling and my jaw is slightly tight. Got a nice behind my eyes warm blanket feel... there, mood funk gone. Was working pretty hard today...I did 8 (6) hrs in the flower room. Carrying a lot of soil this time. Not my favorite job.

Getting ready for the spring run.

Sorry for the no update thing .. been busy trimming the last 3 days.

Labyrinth #2 - 116g dried trimmed = 4 zips. I harvested her early ...

I'm in the process of trimming DT #7 - took me all day today and I have 1/3 more to go tomorrow. Looking like maybe 8 zips dried trimmed.
I got a few seeds >10 so far.. she put out a few nanners that were impossible for me to find WAY down low and in the back of the room. Found em trimming. Rad, if your reading, hit me off list. I got a few seeds from Labyrinth, 20 maybe.

So could be 100% DT (fem S1) or DT x Labyrinth fem (not sure what a nanner from a female crossed with another female unrelated is?)

Making note.. how do the plants know that's a place I'm not going to find nanners??

Back this post is a work in process... taking me a few days to post it.

Finally finished trimming DT #7 - took 2 days and about 14 hrs total.

Tomorrow will be another chop drop and up-pot VEG plants.

Will be chopping DT #6, Lab #1 and probably #3 as well, and maybe even Dolato #1. She looks ready. Will take a test bud scope and puff it tomorrow b4 chopping.
So yea another busy day in the garden. All good. Good time of year to be busy doing this since winter time. Wont be long and we will be starting seeds for outdoor gardens.

No pics for this update. Will fire up the Camera tomorrow... woohoo finally done round 1 of trimming. Got some nice spear shaped 10g nugs from DT #7 and no mold at all. Thought I'd have some since some of the colas were pretty dense.

 

[bobrown14]

Hey Bob....room looking beautiful as always bud!

Got a question for you.....I know you're an advocate for vermicompost & for good reason.....so for someone starting off small, just a 15-20gal tote with maybe 3-400 worms(or 2 lbs), what would be a good "recipe" to start off with that would turn out a great product? Trying to avoid things like "kitchen scraps" until I read and learn more into it, but just starting off with things that would be readily available to most folks anywhere

I catch-up mode sorry for the late reply. For a vermicompost bin: If your going to use totes, google how folks do it. You need some way to get air/oxygen into the box. I use ready made bins that we purchase and these are made for outdoor vermicomposting and are pretty large. 1 container is 160gallons or more the other one is 90 gallons. We set them up outside on level ground and start putting in kitchen scraps.

ONLY non-dairy and no meat products, everything else from the kitchen goes in, we keep a 1.5 gal stainless can with a lid on the counter top in the kitchen. All the veggie scraps, trimmings from canna plants, coffee grounds (good source of N), and leaves are a good additive as well. Once the worms show up when it warms up in the spring. We have to get creative about additives, the worms really get going and multiply pretty quickly. Sometimes I will add in some manure rabbit or horse if I can source it easily. For a small container kitchen scraps will do, but you have a lot of worms for a small container. We start with no worms. They find their way to the food party pretty quick. It gets crazy.. birds will eat the worms thru the vent holes... its a mean world out there. All good bird poop = free fertilizer. Sometimes we get 50 or more birds hanging out scavenging.

We do mainly kitchen scraps. What we do is different that what you wanna do, which is basically worm farming. Results are a little different too... probably better from a worm farm but I'm looking for something a little different than just strait up worm castings.

Vermicompost

Worm Castings

Those are 2 different products - yes related but different. We've only done straight up Vermicomposting out doors. It's less work.

For worm castings there's going to be a recipe of sorts ... I'm not that familiar with it. Sorry for the long winded non-answer to your question.

 

[bobrown14]

Hey bob...killing it this round!......figgered' your cottage was in the general GTA area...spent a week on lake O years back on my buddies 36 foot Catalina...some nice cruising...but BUSY!!...Kajillions of dollars on there between boats and cottages(some on the smallest piece of rock sticking out of the water)...some beautiful anchorages ...I remember going to bed with three boats on a hook, and seeing ten more when getting up in the morning!...oh!...and the water temps!...beautiful...early morning dips aren't too common on Gitchigoomi(unless the sauna's fired up)...cheerz...h00k...

Our cottage is about 3 hrs north east of GTA... @ Belleville take hwy 62N and go about 60km past Madoc - about 1/2 way between Madoc and Bancroft ... heart of cottage country. Yeah buddy, this past September we were swimming all times of the day and even after dark. Water was like 80F perfect for late night/early morning skinny dip.

Hot tub .... on my list. Thinking hillbilly hot tub. Go to the farm supply store and get a galvanized water bin for cattle. the one that is sloped on each end. fill and warm with a water heater.... take a bath on the dock and hang out! Boom, sauna.

We are already talking up our summer stay. It will likely bring on the end of this perpetual run here on 420Mag, as we will likely be staying longer than usual. I'm pretty creative and know how to get a grow going without people ... We've done in several summers in a row now. This time I think we will be looking for a new home farther north and closer to our cottage and REAL snow. Never know.. I don't know what it's like not to have a garden going. Nature calls and I hear the whistles blowing and the loons calling my name. Maybe next garden will be in Canada outdoors this summer.

 

[ilikemsticky]

congratulations on your harvest bob sounds like quite a haul of primo bud its a happy time at your house enjoy your spoils bud!

 

[GodOfPot]

I catch-up mode sorry for the late reply. For a vermicompost bin: If your going to use totes, google how folks do it. You need some way to get air/oxygen into the box. I use ready made bins that we purchase and these are made for outdoor vermicomposting and are pretty large. 1 container is 160gallons or more the other one is 90 gallons. We set them up outside on level ground and start putting in kitchen scraps.

ONLY non-dairy and no meat products, everything else from the kitchen goes in, we keep a 1.5 gal stainless can with a lid on the counter top in the kitchen. All the veggie scraps, trimmings from canna plants, coffee grounds (good source of N), and leaves are a good additive as well. Once the worms show up when it warms up in the spring. We have to get creative about additives, the worms really get going and multiply pretty quickly. Sometimes I will add in some manure rabbit or horse if I can source it easily. For a small container kitchen scraps will do, but you have a lot of worms for a small container. We start with no worms. They find their way to the food party pretty quick. It gets crazy.. birds will eat the worms thru the vent holes... its a mean world out there. All good bird poop = free fertilizer. Sometimes we get 50 or more birds hanging out scavenging.

We do mainly kitchen scraps. What we do is different that what you wanna do, which is basically worm farming. Results are a little different too... probably better from a worm farm but I'm looking for something a little different than just strait up worm castings.

Vermicompost

Worm Castings

Those are 2 different products - yes related but different. We've only done straight up Vermicomposting out doors. It's less work.

For worm castings there's going to be a recipe of sorts ... I'm not that familiar with it. Sorry for the long winded non-answer to your question.

Thank you Bob! And no need to be sorry haha

What I been thinking of was something similar to what CC talked about in that podcast you pointed me towards....taking the black leaf mold compost, adding some barley, neem, karanja, kelp etc. layering it, then throwing the worms on it and letting them do their thing....may not have access to the black leaf mold compost, but I'd assume using a compost I can get locally and doing the same process would still turn out a great product to use

 

[MagicJim]

Great harvest Bob. That's a lot of work trimming and such and moving soil too. The smoke report on Labyrinth sounds interesting with the lemon. Glad it helped with the mood funk.