Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden

brightlight said:
More beautiful pics bob. For a mostly sativa guy.....a little surprised you like that Dolato. I'm ok w/ the OGKB/OG side but for me anything w/ Gelato or Sherbert in it seems to be a dull but strong powerhouse type high, not much head high. :Namaste:
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But it's spreading like fire in Cali. I can't go a day without spotting a post about Gelato somewhere. But then knowing that legal market is all about strong indicas, it's not that surprising actually. Well to me it has to be special too, I can't smoke a bud that's just flat couchlock. I need a little bit of sativa that lifts your spirit up.
 
conradino23 said:
But it's spreading like fire in Cali. I can't go a day without spotting a post about Gelato somewhere. But then knowing that legal market is all about strong indicas, it's not that surprising actually. Well to me it has to be special too, I can't smoke a bud that's just flat couchlock. I need a little bit of sativa that lifts your spirit up.
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agreed sativa=smiley face!
 
TheFertilizer said:
Which pic was that? I'm not really sure, I thought I had thrips and then when I sprayed they were gone just like that. I think I had russets once before though so it could have been a pic of a russet mite.
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It was your thread Fert. I saw it on. I should of asked there. Looks like it was a pic of a Russet but you also mentioned thrips in the post. But i remember you talking about too much moisture spraying the Spinosad frequently. The Nuke Em wants it wet before spray cause it dries it out. Maybe a great counter balance to Spinosad. I will be using the Spinosad myself this year. IPM.
 
Hey Bob how's it going?

I picked up some kelp meal today. Just wondering how much kelp meal and EWC I should use to brew up a tea?
 
I mixed some up last week. Watch your PH as she bubbles throughout the week if you don't use it all into one watering. My 6.5 PH, spiked at 8.4 when I wasn't keeping track.
 
Guy Cavallero said:
I mixed some up last week. Watch your PH as she bubbles throughout the week if you don't use it all into one watering. My 6.5 PH, spiked at 8.4 when I wasn't keeping track.
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You're supposed to pH adjust teas? I thought you just let the microbes adjust to the pH they liked.
 
Fert, this is from Bob in another thread where we were talking about it recently
My tea recipe is:

1 cup EWC + 1/2 cup of Kelp meal... can add in a tbs of Grandma's BSM to 3-5 gallons of water.
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I've never come across talk of needing to PH an ACT....never really come across a lot of talk about the need to PH water going in when it comes to living soils in general tbh....ph has more to do hydro & non organics...in living soils I believe the ph is controlled by the bacteria/fungus ratio which is controlled by the plant itself...ph is also in constant fluctuation with living soil so is never the same to my understanding :Namaste:
 
I never thought of it to be honest. Til I stuck my PH tester in my ACT. I had issues last grow, so now I'm careful. 8.4 was too scary to continue with it. I PhD it down using lemon juice and it was right back up to 8.4 again the next day. That was 1 C EWC, 1/2 C Kelp meal in 15 L of PhD 6.5 water that had sat for 24 hours.

Call me paranoid lol.....
 
Hey everyone.....here looking for some assistance and maybe a little conversation about humus...but what I want to focus on specifically(this may relate to a number of people that post here too) is making a good humus when composting and vermi-composting(at least in they way most people view it) really aren't viable options for the time being...yes I recognize them as being the best way to source your "humus" for the 1/3 portion of Coots mix, but for those people who simply don't have this as an option(effort has nothing to do with this in my case so don't think laziness), what is the best you can do in terms of making a humus?

I found a great place close enough to me that carries 4 different types of compost.....Leaf, Horse, Cow & Fish....I've spoke with Bob about them as I've received soil/compost reports on all of them and he's helped me choose which would be what I'll consider the best "base"....so here it is;
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That's the analysis I received for the Leaf compost...so now I have 3-4 months to make 20-25 gal of "humus" for my next batch of soil using this compost as my "base".

The idea is to take say 20 gal of Leaf compost, add biological diversity by mixing in 1 gallon of fish, horse & cow compost plus 1 gallon of CSPM, then I'm going to add 20% rice hulls(these will almost completely break down in the 4 months) and what I have is a habitat capable of hosting worms, and I'm going to add worms to it instead of adding EWC.

I will only be feeding this 2 things, rotten banana peels and coffee grinds/filters for some worm food....there will be plenty of food for the worms already in the compost mix since it is compost, so these are more just to kick up the activity a bit every 2-3 weeks, then hopefully in 3-4 months time I'm left with something better than I had to begin with.

What I need to figure out, is what the Leaf compost lacks so I can in turn address it in terms of nutrients. I want to amend my compost mix with soil amendments that will make it more balanced....this is where I need help, because I don't know what it is lacking as a compost. Like if someone was to say "you're lacking a little K and some trace, so perhaps add x amount of kelp meal per cu. ft" or a suggestion along those lines. or "your CEC is a bit low...you're already adding CSPM which helps, maybe add some bio-char as well which would help even more"...suggestions on things that could make this compost better would help a ton

Hopefully someones able to understand my ramblings lol :Namaste:
 
I've had PH go bad on me......call me paranoid lol. Bob told me that Kelp should help to rid my girls of any deficiencies. I tried a few foliar sprays on my last grow and they seemed to really help. High PH like that completely surprised me.
 
GodOfPot said:
Fert, this is from Bob in another thread where we were talking about it recently

I've never come across talk of needing to PH an ACT....never really come across a lot of talk about the need to PH water going in when it comes to living soils in general tbh....ph has more to do hydro & non organics...in living soils I believe the ph is controlled by the bacteria/fungus ratio which is controlled by the plant itself...ph is also in constant fluctuation with living soil so is never the same to my understanding :Namaste:
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PH ranges for bio-available soil nutrients are based on the range the plant's roots can absorb.

I the soil microbes can extract over a much wider range, so PH based uptake becomes ALMOST a non-issue.



Guy Cavallero said:
I never thought of it to be honest. Til I stuck my PH tester in my ACT. I had issues last grow, so now I'm careful. 8.4 was too scary to continue with it. I PhD it down using lemon juice and it was right back up to 8.4 again the next day. That was 1 C EWC, 1/2 C Kelp meal in 15 L of PhD 6.5 water that had sat for 24 hours.

Call me paranoid lol.....
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8.4 sounds extreme, but it is a pretty standard PH for Arizona tap water, and outdoor plants in soil grow fine in Arizona tap water.

I presume you are diluting your tea when watering and/or following up your tea with a larger amount of plain water, so 8.4 isn't really 8.4 anyway, it's diluted.



I'll call you paranoid :rofl:
 
GodOfPot said:
Hey everyone.....here looking for some assistance and maybe a little conversation about humus...but what I want to focus on specifically(this may relate to a number of people that post here too) is making a good humus when composting and vermi-composting(at least in they way most people view it) really aren't viable options for the time being...yes I recognize them as being the best way to source your "humus" for the 1/3 portion of Coots mix, but for those people who simply don't have this as an option(effort has nothing to do with this in my case so don't think laziness), what is the best you can do in terms of making a humus?

I found a great place close enough to me that carries 4 different types of compost.....Leaf, Horse, Cow & Fish....I've spoke with Bob about them as I've received soil/compost reports on all of them and he's helped me choose which would be what I'll consider the best "base"....so here it is;
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That's the analysis I received for the Leaf compost...so now I have 3-4 months to make 20-25 gal of "humus" for my next batch of soil using this compost as my "base".

The idea is to take say 20 gal of Leaf compost, add biological diversity by mixing in 1 gallon of fish, horse & cow compost plus 1 gallon of CSPM, then I'm going to add 20% rice hulls(these will almost completely break down in the 4 months) and what I have is a habitat capable of hosting worms, and I'm going to add worms to it instead of adding EWC.

I will only be feeding this 2 things, rotten banana peels and coffee grinds/filters for some worm food....there will be plenty of food for the worms already in the compost mix since it is compost, so these are more just to kick up the activity a bit every 2-3 weeks, then hopefully in 3-4 months time I'm left with something better than I had to begin with.

What I need to figure out, is what the Leaf compost lacks so I can in turn address it in terms of nutrients. I want to amend my compost mix with soil amendments that will make it more balanced....this is where I need help, because I don't know what it is lacking as a compost. Like if someone was to say "you're lacking a little K and some trace, so perhaps add x amount of kelp meal per cu. ft" or a suggestion along those lines. or "your CEC is a bit low...you're already adding CSPM which helps, maybe add some bio-char as well which would help even more"...suggestions on things that could make this compost better would help a ton

Hopefully someones able to understand my ramblings lol :Namaste:
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Looking at the interpretation and optimum range section - it doesn't look like LACK, it looks like TOO MUCH of a lot of things.

In the forest, plants don't grow in pure leaf compost, they grow in 1/2" of leaf compost scattered on existing soil.
 
Not sure I understand exactly what you mean...you seem to be under the impression that I'll be growing my plants in this directly....the idea behind this is to serve as the 1/3 humus, so will be mixed with 1/3 aeration 1/3 CSPM later on .
 
Radogast said:
PH ranges for bio-available soil nutrients are based on the range the plant's roots can absorb.

I the soil microbes can extract over a much wider range, so PH based uptake becomes ALMOST a non-issue.






8.4 sounds extreme, but it is a pretty standard PH for Arizona tap water, and outdoor plants in soil grow fine in Arizona tap water.

I presume you are diluting your tea when watering and/or following up your tea with a larger amount of plain water, so 8.4 isn't really 8.4 anyway, it's diluted.



I'll call you paranoid :rofl:
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Wait a sec.....did I miss a step? Am I supposed to dilute the ACT or follow up with plain H2O?
 
Guy Cavallero said:
Wait a sec.....did I miss a step? Am I supposed to dilute the ACT or follow up with plain H2O?
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That depends on how strong you make your ACT. My plants are young so I don't mix my ACT very strong and therefore don't dilute it. I will continue until the plant tells me its not happy.
 
GodOfPot said:
Hey everyone.....here looking for some assistance and maybe a little conversation about humus...but what I want to focus on specifically(this may relate to a number of people that post here too) is making a good humus when composting and vermi-composting(at least in they way most people view it) really aren't viable options for the time being...yes I recognize them as being the best way to source your "humus" for the 1/3 portion of Coots mix, but for those people who simply don't have this as an option(effort has nothing to do with this in my case so don't think laziness), what is the best you can do in terms of making a humus?

I found a great place close enough to me that carries 4 different types of compost.....Leaf, Horse, Cow & Fish....I've spoke with Bob about them as I've received soil/compost reports on all of them and he's helped me choose which would be what I'll consider the best "base"....so here it is;
IMG_6275.PNG

That's the analysis I received for the Leaf compost...so now I have 3-4 months to make 20-25 gal of "humus" for my next batch of soil using this compost as my "base".

The idea is to take say 20 gal of Leaf compost, add biological diversity by mixing in 1 gallon of fish, horse & cow compost plus 1 gallon of CSPM, then I'm going to add 20% rice hulls(these will almost completely break down in the 4 months) and what I have is a habitat capable of hosting worms, and I'm going to add worms to it instead of adding EWC.

I will only be feeding this 2 things, rotten banana peels and coffee grinds/filters for some worm food....there will be plenty of food for the worms already in the compost mix since it is compost, so these are more just to kick up the activity a bit every 2-3 weeks, then hopefully in 3-4 months time I'm left with something better than I had to begin with.

What I need to figure out, is what the Leaf compost lacks so I can in turn address it in terms of nutrients. I want to amend my compost mix with soil amendments that will make it more balanced....this is where I need help, because I don't know what it is lacking as a compost. Like if someone was to say "you're lacking a little K and some trace, so perhaps add x amount of kelp meal per cu. ft" or a suggestion along those lines. or "your CEC is a bit low...you're already adding CSPM which helps, maybe add some bio-char as well which would help even more"...suggestions on things that could make this compost better would help a ton

Hopefully someones able to understand my ramblings lol :Namaste:
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Too much Mg, you'd have to cut it by half. Too much P too, way too much. And too much sodium and too much potassium.
 
Blazinjones said:
Love tht lil pmb u got there and what is ur veg light schedule wonder y she started flowering like an auto?? But either way I'm sure u will turn her into sumthn magnificent like always lol.

Hey I had a quick question bout the kelp tea can i store some of that in a glass Mason jar in my fridge for like a week to ten days or so??
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We will see on the PMB.... her sister is fantastic.. looking and smelling like the description from the breeder... this one not so much. Maybe a seed mix up I'm thinking. No smell, auto traits... meh. I have little patience. I'm no nurse maid. Her sister is 8' tall, something is weird.

Kelp Tea:

Depends... I grind up kelp meal with a coffee grinder and re-hydrate it, and into the fridge (can keep for a month like that). If you let it sit out in room temps it will start to decompose. Which is OK for a little while, once it starts to smell like poop - pour it outside beside a tree or a bush - they will thank you later! If you were outside it wouldn't matter - pouring anaerobic bacteria into a container is recipe for disaster. So if it smells like poop - got outside with it!

As long as you keep it refrigerated all the time - it will be good for quite a while, several weeks actually.

There are kelp products that we can use that you can store at room temp is a jar and not worry. The maxi-crop stuff is one. These products are dried under pressure to remove the water and then we re-hydrate them into a kelp tea. The thing that gets lost are the growth hormones. Everything else is still there, which is significant (stuff still there).

OK - working my ass off this round. Been chopping, hanging, drying, trimming, up-potting VEG plants into flower, trimming... and oh did I say trimming. Instead of puffing, I'm getting high off of terpenes... huff huff ... puff puff... whats not to like, eh? No complaint... I love my green tribe!

Had to take a break from trimming to watch the super bowl... GO E A G L E S.. gun fire and bombs are suitable celebration techniques... well in my neighborhood anyways... headed for the basement and move all vehicles off the street. We won.. damn... been waiting for this since 1960. Fvck yeah we did it. I felt for all the fallen vets that were so great and never made it to the super bowl let alone win...

OK some pic update:

New Family Picture - there's 2 more plants to harvest. PMB is in the first one - hanging out above the younger plants up in the canopy. her nugs are going to be nice and tight rocks and smells like grape bubble gum.

Family Pic - left with PMB and Lab #6 and maybe a Chemdawg from clone.. was un-marked or lost the label somehow. We will see soon enough.

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Family Pic - right - Dolato #1 in the back left looming overhead. She's only about 7' tall - PMB easily 8' tall. Dolato #2 in the front about the 2nd or 3rd day after she showed flowers.

I've added in a few plants - Labyrinth #4 - not in this pic and Buffalato #2 in the back right just getting going:

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Nug Shots:


PMB - close up she's going purple so should get some pretty flower pics up in a few days. I'll open the window and lower night time temps.

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Dolato #1 - colas - they are fattening up now

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PMB - side bud that went into the lights one morning and burnt the top - she's repairing herself and the burn in almost gone now. 1/2 of the top was burnt white....

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PMB - close up of burnt cola:

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PMB - side branch - she's got a nice coating of trichomes smells like grape bubble gum...

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PMB - another side bud

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PMB - same bud closer upper

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Dolato #1 - close up trichomes

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Dolato #1 - side bud with fox tail starting.. time to keep an eye out for nanners.

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Dolato #1 another foxtail bud

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Only 2 ladies that are ripe.. won't be too much longer and they get chopped.

All ready for the late winter run - girls are in the wings in VEG, they are WAY ready to go.
 
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