Cottage 420's Organic Perpetual Indoor Garden

[kelticBlue]

Hard for me to see ATM. On my phone. But those half finger leaves? Funky huh. I want to say I have seen it before but what became of it I dunno.

 

[bobrown14]

Leaves with a missing middle finger, and half missing leaves flanking it?

Nope, never seen anything like it!




I've been wondering for a year or so - How many girls does it take for you to have a full house in Flower?

Ummm I have a twitchy green thumb. If I don't have little seedlings going, I'm messing up. I just added 17 AUTO seedlings. 10 are still in the pediatric department & 7 more of Dark Devil transplanted yesterday and all good knock wood..

Transplanted 4 girls that got promoted to the flower room today. I'm tired, that was a lot of moving 50# pots around.

So counting plants right now in VEG - prolly 30ish in VEG. Not all of them make it. I'm pumping up for spring... thinking of taking the summer off this year. I said that last year too then bought a shit ton of gear so I could go perpetual without actually doing any work!

2 issues with working hard in the indoor gardens:

1) Water
2) soil

^^^ heavy lifting is well hard to do, keeps us young I guess. Good thing we don't have to move them around very often. We have RO water almost automated. If I do decide to grow this summer I will automate that as well.

We are HEAVY into spring seedlings for flowers and veggies and clones of perennials (teaching my wife to clone) .. We have grow lights everywhere, but stealthy..

 

[NorCaliwood]

Mr, BBrown beautiful bud shots,,, Keepem Green

 

[brightlight]

#2, #3, & CD.....f**king frostitutes. Damn nice growing brother. What distance to canopy do you keep the new Timbers?

 

[Radogast]

Ummm I have a twitchy green thumb. If I don't have little seedlings going, I'm messing up. I just added 17 AUTO seedlings. 10 are still in the pediatric department & 7 more of Dark Devil transplanted yesterday and all good knock wood..

Transplanted 4 girls that got promoted to the flower room today. I'm tired, that was a lot of moving 50# pots around.

So counting plants right now in VEG - prolly 30ish in VEG. Not all of them make it. I'm pumping up for spring... thinking of taking the summer off this year. I said that last year too then bought a shit ton of gear so I could go perpetual without actually doing any work!

2 issues with working hard in the indoor gardens:

1) Water
2) soil

^^^ heavy lifting is well hard to do, keeps us young I guess. Good thing we don't have to move them around very often. We have RO water almost automated. If I do decide to grow this summer I will automate that as well.

We are HEAVY into spring seedlings for flowers and veggies and clones of perennials (teaching my wife to clone) .. We have grow lights everywhere, but stealthy..

Thanks for all the info.
I am a combination of chafing at the bit and totally unprepared for spring flowers and veggies.

I have a plan for perennial vines, half a plan for a pergola, and some earth sculpting planned alongside the north lot line for drainage and water retention. It's just approaching time to start vegetables indoors - still 50 days until Mother's Day / last frost day.

My indoor starts so far are 3x4" puffballs of chamomile, a 6" fancy mint, a 2" German Winter Thyme, an unidentified vine cutting, and an Aloe Vera rescue,. That list and 9 cannabis plants pretty much fills my veg table - so I may forgo indoor vegetable starts and only clone a few perennials as the growing season goes along. It is looking like I may just do vegetables and annual flowers as direct outdoor seeds and garden center transplants. For all my dreams, I know pretty much nothing about practical gardening in a place with 4 seasons!

Assembling the garden is it's own reward. Being successful at it can wait

 

[NorCaliwood]

I mainly look at pictures myself,, seein us hillbillies never learnd to read and rite,, but them letters PM kind of go on blast,,, what's this horsetail fern tea shit you say about PM problems? I mean I've heard of all the natural 'oils' for stuff,, but I think I'd be scared spraying waterbased on stuff damn near anywhere in flowe,,, cept the first 10 days or something,, with PM. Man I've had to learn my lessons over and over with PM. Till, I mean depends on timeframe,, I start over. I grew perpetual gardens 75% of my gardening time,, here Oregon,, PM will sneak up on the best, eventually!!!!... Now I just assume I've got it started,, and clean up once a year.. Summertime ofcourse... But hey if that fiberglass mat isn't spreading,,, intresting.. But whats the thought process behind the tea?? .. Ever look into Actinovate'? Biological Warfare.. I use a drench every transplant with a booster shot middle summer,, I'm hoping for releif from bud rott too. Hey they Future#2 is in the present veg stage I hope... Pretty plant.. All are. Keepem Green

 

[bobrown14]

Hey there Woody... hey man I'm in Philly, PA, hillbilly in the hood,bro! Everybody is packing so no BS happening unless alky-hol, late night and shitty weed (which is EVERYWHERE). I get home before dark! hahahaha

So we have the same amount of moisture and rain as Oregon... almost exactly the same but the summer months are 100% humidity and hot as hell 90-100F.

I don't run AC anymore so I have to deal with PM/bud rot/insects all of the shit you left coasters have to deal with.

I used to run genetics that I didn't have to worry about the PM, there's some genetics that are resistant to molds. Once I started with the OG stuff that all changed. Chemdawg and all the relatives ... wow.

So what I've been doing and it's been working, we have PM here EVERYWHERE... at the end of the outdoor growing season all the leaves are covered with PM outdoors, then first frost leaves die and fall off... PM still here. So my problems are more in late fall since the spores are everywhere. It will carry over into winter indoors but I think the higher temps hold it back some and some plants have a resistance to it.

So there's the genetics card... I try and not grow Chemdawg in flower in the fall/early winter, I will get bud rot, have always got it until I tried the Horsetail Fern tea.

You can purchase it or better, go find it.. it grows in wet areas around ponds and streams and it's ready for picking at the same time as first cut of stinging nettles (mid spring). I've purchased it on Amazon...

Search for "Horsetail Raw Herb" - 4 oz from Moon Magick

It's a got a lot of natural uses one of which is a mildicide... and it's VERY high in silica same as Pro-tekt which I use in my foilers. The silica helps plants immune system fight off the molds.

Aywho.. wow sorry for the long wind.

Take a few 3-4 tbs of the Horsetail fern and steep in warm water like a quart mason jar, just like a tea... let it cool overnight. Put in the fridge and dilute say 1/4 cup into a 1/2 gal water and spray the plants. Best to spray them early in VEG. Can keep spraying while the plants in VEG.

This kills the spores before they get a hold and start growing. You can also use in flower, it has no smell and no taste but I stop using it about 1/2 way into flower. This works ... for sure.. I just trimmed a Chemdawg ... where I usually always see PM since the buds are real tight and sticky the big top usually has a little in there that I have to cut out and toss. This time nada.. I could see where the PM normally takes hold and all clear.

Think of Horsetail Fern tea like a prevention and not a cure... spray the VEG early flower plants before all the flowers are tight and packed.

I treated that Future plant.. man those buds are PACKED .... I'll be harvesting and we will see. If I was going to get PM its on buds like that and usually when I see foxtails that's a sign I have some PM but I looked real close and just trimmed the other 2 Future plants I had growing and all was well .... some of the ... make that THE frostiest nugs I ever trimmed. I really didn't have much to trim. Scrape off the dried leaf tips and shape em into nuggets and into curing container. I don't wear gloves to trim.. I literally couldn't focus my eyesight for about 6 hours after I was done trimming.

With Chemdawg and all her relatives.. I always have had PM in the past. Usually the top cola that looks the best ... burp... bummer.

Yea so the source for Horsetail Fern tea starts with Rudolf Steiner and the hillbilly organic nazis from the 30s. It's one of the 8 must have deals for growing plants.... they do some weird shit... they are still at it. Many of the high end specialty organic wine makers in Cali use this as well for Boytris and PM.

Wanna read some funky growing techniques, google "rudolf steiner #508 horsetail fern tea". Gonna be circa 1920's stuff. They had PM back then too and they grew cannabis and hemp big time....

Me thinks this is some oral tradition like old time country music... pass it down word of mouth ... next generation we get to make it all our own, and pass it on again.

 

[bobrown14]

Ok so our spring run is in full bloom ... well almost but we are getting there for sure. Lots of big green plants with pretty little white flowers growing. Finally pest free for a little while. We also have a decent gaggle of VEG girls going and some re-veg Chemdawg Purps

A bunch of seedlings now as well. I just planted 17 seedlings ... all of them are AUTOs ... going for the purps as is my usual for this time of year.

So the rundown for spring flowers is:

Citrus Berry #1 #2 & #3
The Future #2 from Clone
The Future #2 still in flower will harvest tomorrow
Chemdawg Clone #1 #2
Devils Tit #1 and #2... (I had 4 tossed 1 male) hmmmm

I'll bring one more lady in from the VEG room ... maybe find that other Devils Tit plant tomorrow after chopping The Future #2..

Sprayed all the VEG plants 3X with IPM including the Horsetail Fern tea added in as well as all the ladies B-4 they flowered or VERY early in flowering X3.

Looking back at what was harvested this last round. The plants that stood out after trim are The Future - heads and tails above anything I've grown to date in the terpine and trichome department. I did a test smoke the other night ... can't remember. It's early as the buds a developing smell ... sweet berries and tangy ... but pretty faint so far. I'm going to let them sit canned up for a little while and then smoke out my friends. ... hahahaha

Pics or it didn't happen:

First up since she's so pretty - The Future #2

Side nug pick ....

Side nug pick with back fill flash

Top Cola ... furry and frosty.. I had to stake the main stem to keep her from falling over completely. Talking toppling over...all side branches are super fat and strong. Just don't have a deep large container. If this was in a 15gal container this plant would be HUGE.

Step back shot, I'm going to miss her.. but its time.

Top down side nug shot

All those pics were from 3/23... so last week. I took some more pics today and will before chop in the AM.

Talk me out of chopping ... anyone?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Devils Tit # 2 @ 21 days

Devils Tit #1 @ 30 days.. She's bulking up big time since this pic

Devils Tit # 2 - top down shot.. more sativa in this strain... for now!

Citrus Berry #2 @ day 4ish....

Citrus Berry #1 @ 15 days

Devils Tit... maybe this is my missing lady... have to double check..

 

[DoctorGonzo]

For PM in flower, Actinovate is a great control. The best, imo. To eradicate, Eagle 20 once very lightly when they're 10" in veg & it's GONE forever.

 

[Blazinjones]

Ok so our spring run is in full bloom ... well almost but we are getting there for sure. Lots of big green plants with pretty little white flowers growing. Finally pest free for a little while. We also have a decent gaggle of VEG girls going and some re-veg Chemdawg Purps

A bunch of seedlings now as well. I just planted 17 seedlings ... all of them are AUTOs ... going for the purps as is my usual for this time of year.

So the rundown for spring flowers is:

Citrus Berry #1 #2 & #3
The Future #2 from Clone
The Future #2 still in flower will harvest tomorrow
Chemdawg Clone #1 #2
Devils Tit #1 and #2... (I had 4 tossed 1 male) hmmmm

I'll bring one more lady in from the VEG room ... maybe find that other Devils Tit plant tomorrow after chopping The Future #2..

Sprayed all the VEG plants 3X with IPM including the Horsetail Fern tea added in as well as all the ladies B-4 they flowered or VERY early in flowering X3.

Looking back at what was harvested this last round. The plants that stood out after trim are The Future - heads and tails above anything I've grown to date in the terpine and trichome department. I did a test smoke the other night ... can't remember. It's early as the buds a developing smell ... sweet berries and tangy ... but pretty faint so far. I'm going to let them sit canned up for a little while and then smoke out my friends. ... hahahaha

Pics or it didn't happen:

First up since she's so pretty - The Future #2

Side nug pick ....

Side nug pick with back fill flash

Top Cola ... furry and frosty.. I had to stake the main stem to keep her from falling over completely. Talking toppling over...all side branches are super fat and strong. Just don't have a deep large container. If this was in a 15gal container this plant would be HUGE.

Step back shot, I'm going to miss her.. but its time.

Top down side nug shot

All those pics were from 3/23... so last week. I took some more pics today and will before chop in the AM.

Talk me out of chopping ... anyone?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Devils Tit # 2 @ 21 days

Devils Tit #1 @ 30 days.. She's bulking up big time since this pic

Devils Tit # 2 - top down shot.. more sativa in this strain... for now!

Citrus Berry #2 @ day 4ish....

Citrus Berry #1 @ 15 days

Devils Tit... maybe this is my missing lady... have to double check..

awesome bb lookn gud as usual hey what are u using for an ipm is it the Monterey spray and full power n protect?? cause I thought u said don't use it on my veg girls or jus the soil if I do cause it will hurt them sum how I forgot what u said wud happen to em but u said they wudnt make it to flower if I used the ipm on them in veg??so jus wondering if it is ok 2 use or not I do it twice a week and jus the soil on the veg girls but they only get it like once a week.
Also shud I be doing it more often or less or is it ok with what I been doing??

 

[bobrown14]

For PM in flower, Actinovate is a great control. The best, imo. To eradicate, Eagle 20 once very lightly when they're 10" in veg & it's GONE forever.

Hey Doc... Eagle 20 is getting some bad rep lately. People don't know how to use it properly. You can't just spray willy nilly that stuff is not safe for human consumption.

I do have Actinovate in my arsenal, haven't tried it yet. Using mirco-organisms to fight pests gets my attention.

You run Chemdog... always going to have a battle with PM. I've had excellent result with Horsetail Fern tea and horses cant drink it but its safe for humans.

I'm an organic grower so always looking for the old time cures. The Horsetail Fern deal comes from Rudolf Steiner and the Biodynamic Farming culture... they started modern day composting. Took it to a outer space level.


Have problems with plants google the problem and add Rudolf Steiner to the end of the google search phrase... you will fine your cure.

 

[bobrown14]

awesome bb lookn gud as usual hey what are u using for an ipm is it the Monterey spray and full power n protect?? cause I thought u said don't use it on my veg girls or jus the soil if I do cause it will hurt them sum how I forgot what u said wud happen to em but u said they wudnt make it to flower if I used the ipm on them in veg??so jus wondering if it is ok 2 use or not I do it twice a week and jus the soil on the veg girls but they only get it like once a week.
Also shud I be doing it more often or less or is it ok with what I been doing??

Yes all 3 in VEG and FLOWER all the way down to harvest. Take it easy on the Monterrey ... I only use 1 tbs per gallon of water. That's the normal maintenance amount I use. Won't need more cause you wont have issues. Spider mites are the only issue you can get and need to add something different. They mutate and build a resistance over time.

I add in some other goodies ... try some pure coconut water no sugar no preservatives @ 1/4 cup ... watch the fun... also strained malted barley tea @ 1/4 cup / gal really kicks it up. You can water in whatever you spray on ... from what I've listed.

Credit for my IPM routine goes to Clackamas Coots. I learned a lot from that guy.

 

[DoctorGonzo]

Hey Doc... Eagle 20 is getting some bad rep lately. People don't know how to use it properly. You can't just spray willy nilly that stuff is not safe for human consumption.

I do have Actinovate in my arsenal, haven't tried it yet. Using mirco-organisms to fight pests gets my attention.

You run Chemdog... always going to have a battle with PM. I've had excellent result with Horsetail Fern tea and horses cant drink it but its safe for humans.

I'm an organic grower so always looking for the old time cures. The Horsetail Fern deal comes from Rudolf Steiner and the Biodynamic Farming culture... they started modern day composting. Took it to a outer space level.
Have problems with plants google the problem and add Rudolf Steiner to the end of the google search phrase... you will fine your cure.

Lessee...
Actinovate is the best control I've seen yet. OMRI is nice, of course, but it really does a great job. Once every 14 days & PM stays controlled, can use up to flush without problems. I used to burn sulfur pots, and while they work the whole "this place smells like fucking purgatory" thing is really a drag.
Eagle 20, when used correctly, is a great tool in the arsenal, as is Floramite. When misused, veddy veddy bad.
As to running Chemdog, my experience with it hasn't been that it hasn't had any more predilection to PM than anything else I've run-My issue has been in the past that friends have given PM as a gift with fresh genetics . it's never popped up randomly or "naturally" that I can recall-But my experiences are within the indoor arena, not outdoors.







"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

 

[NorCaliwood]

I use the actinovate myself,, as a drench. I see it's got spray formula to.. For PM, I'm always scared to spray it. Moisture doesn't help the issues. R/H control helps alot,, but the issue is,, you got mold spores running around. And untill you get them outta a tent and clean,, your going to get reinfected.. I use the actinovate in hopes it will help with bud rot outdoors myself.. Floramite and avid are all the big guns in the miticide worlds. But there are alot less toxics out there that work.. And work well. I'm real partial to the Green Cleaner. But then I've not had to use it on PM yet to test their claims.. Kind of costy to spray what I have to usually,, but I'm going to downsize this year.. LOL I use the eagle every now and then on my outdoor grows,, but only at transition, maybe a week in but after that, I'm not partial to smoking hydrogen cyanide.. Kind of hard to figure the doses also when your using 4 ozs per 100 gallons. People tend to over do. And I use it when the pervious year molds where heavy.. And greedy people have been using it very badly.. Even traces of it, once concentrated, considerates it too. And it doesn't wash off being systemic. But if used early it is a great preventive.. Least it give you a 30 day headstart,, mold free is the way I look at it.. I have to be the first to say everything is harmful. Shit smoke enough neem and animal fat stuff from the soaps, see whats what.. And that sulfur burner... Man that some loud shit.. Best thing is to hope you don't have to treat anything.

Hey Mister Bbrown,, I really like the future 2,, even over the Chemd,, as I look around to see whose going to hit me, I like that #2. She likes ripe from here.. The #3 kind of looks ready from here,, and the Chem Dog looks beautiful.. I need to try a good Chem Dog variant. The couple I tried wasn't the best,, or was a bunk crop, I can't remember which. Cause if it wood've worked I'd remember it other than I just grew it.. Beautiful plants.. Keepem Green

 

[bobrown14]

Thanks guys.. Woody yer too funny.

I get everything... pests, PM, pesty friends, needy wife... you name it. Soap seems to work on everything so far! hahahaha Spray on wash off... problem solved!

Where we live in Philly there are PM spores everywhere all the time. It will never be able to be totally removed unless we build some sort of clean room, which IMHO if I need that something is wrong with my process. Plants can fight it off naturally same with pests.. problems come with mixed up washed out genetics...breeders need to select for resistance factor. Why I like to buy my seeds from west coast sources. Some breeders like Mandala actually breed for PM/pest resistance and put that in the description on the seeds. I've never had any issues with their seeds/plants.

Not everyone is selective but over time we get to separate the weed from the chaff as they say.

Trade off I think tho as we grow flowers that are REALLY sticky, more crap is going to stick to them. We are learning how to cope better as time goes by and more people are demanding chemical free weed as are governments.

 

[BedroomFarmer]

Hey there Rad... yeah buddy growin some goodies this round. Wasn't even here to mess anything up so I can blame me for the good fortune..
I'll do a little update:

First off we are back home from vacation. We went to our cottage in Ontario, CA - Cottage 420... that's the number that was on it way back when I was 10yo and my dad bought the cottage. I asked him if he was going to retire and hang out there... he told me right there, this place is for you, talk your mom into it and here we are 48 years later.

We spent the last 26 days away on vacation while our ladies did there thing. As mentioned thanks once again to drcannabi for trying out the AutoPot system and suggest I try it. So I went big and got the XL which is 7gal pots and a 60gal reservoir. Our grow is on the 3rd floor of our old house to to fill the res what we did was drop a rope, pull up the hose that's connected to a garden filter...15 minutes later filled. I had our son add in 20 gal more that I had sitting beside it. Dump and run .... oh take a pic or 3.

When I got home last night at 11pm I ran upstairs threw on the lights and woooooo Doc this AutoPot system rocks.. I could grow a shit ton of top shelf with this system if I wanted to.

OK so brief overview of what I did:

7gal pot with my version of the Coots/Lumperdawg organic soil mix. Only reason "my version" is I use what I have on hand buts its still the basic Coots mix but at the base of the pot I added in a 1 1/2" layer of clay balls per Doc's advice. What the hey... try it if it doesn't work, live and learn. Well it worked in spades. I'm totally stoked at the outcome. I think the "secret" is that we make our own EWC/compost.

My take on that whole organic compost worm bin thing is we create a sort of micro climate of bacteria ... bacteria from us, our home and kitchen that the worms work wonders with and that feeds the soil that feeds the plants. I treat those worms & worm castings like gold. For me, that's the value. As long as I have the worm bin going I'll be growing stellar cannabis. I've been a worm wrangler for a long long time. Once I started adding Comfrey into the bin.... whoa...

if you could see how fast the worms get down to business you'd be afraid to put your hand in there this time of year. No doubt..
We also happened to have a stellar outdoor garden when we got back. A little over grown but lots of veggies ... all we have to do get to weeding and picking, already done.

Giving my wife the reps for that - girl power FTW.

Ok so here's a few pics of the ladies after we were away for 26 days... took them tonight:

Sorry for the crappy pics again Shakey McShakerson was helping out with that.

Group shot from Monday night:

HSO Black Dogs there's a tall pheno in the back that tonight is starting to turn colors ... the only one so far. That plant is 5' tall almost touching the lamps

The same 2 Black Dogs ... big fatty coloas. Very impressive for no love for almost 4 weeks. Oh and tonight we filled the 60gal res about 2/3 full say 40 gallons. Took us 15 minutes with a hose thru a garden filter.

This on is Kimbo Kush.... all the Kush plants have large leaves so predominately Indica. I have a patient I give cannabis to. He's just had back surgery to fuse a bunch of discs and such and he prefers the Indica so he can relax.
This buds for you Big Chris! :

Put down those opiates; lets see if we can go a day without ... then another... and so forth.

Another pic of Black Dog... call her BD 1

Here's a closeup of BD 1 big nugs... yummy.. these plants dont smell like cannabis, kinda more like there's a fuel depot around the corner very very faint smell of fuel. Like I should look around before starting a fire.... Did someone say: "Start a fire"..

here we go!

The big Black Dog behind BD 1 so we call here "BD 2 the Tall". She's going to get some color.. I can feel it.

Kimbo Kush another... big fans and huge cola

Black Dog another.. she's not a purdy as the rest but she's still beautiful in my eyes and later in my vaporizer.

This is another Kimbo Kush.. I think I missed one .. I've got 8 plants in this run hooked up to the AutoPot system. I do have one more Black Dog that's in senescence and is the oldest of the lot and is yellowing not getting black. We are starting to get some cold nights tho so finally dog days of summer are gone till next year now we can concentrate on the ladies...

That's pretty much it.. all I was hoping for was a few ladies makin it thru ... now I know what I can expect from the AutoPot system and run with it. This system is a game changer for me...

I could ramp this up A LOT bigger if I wanted to. Automate the res fill and concentrate on soil mixing which is my passion.... granite, limestone dust and worms. FTW Thanks again to Doc here's a link to his grow:

Drcannabi's BudMaster GOD - Organic Soil - Venom OG - Autopots

Please stop over and say "hi" to Doc he's got it going on - organics FTW. Yeah u right!

My god, the colas!!! I hope my organic grow comes close to this

Subbed up for some organic gardening. Still looking through these great pics.

 

[Tomula]

Hello Bob! Your LOS and the girls are performing amazingly and the colas look sweet and frosty!
I got my tea at hand and I will spray my Shark this time. Also I plan on disinfecting my whole tent after reconstruction and i thought some soda and water wash should do the trick. Or should I smoke the area with sulfur or something? Norcali was talking about intake filter rated for spores, which I think is great idea to limit the unneeded spores/dust in your grow room. UV also kills spores so that's one more reason to shine it on your girls. Use UV protection though! Great stuff here as always, cheers!

 

[NorCaliwood]

WOW is that all you Mister BBrown.. You got some donkey dicks growing inside... Keepem Green

 

[Twox]

<- That's me banging my head on the ground because I didn't subscribe sooner... Your grow looks great..

 

[Blazinjones]

WOW is that all you Mister BBrown.. You got some donkey dicks growing inside... Keepem Green

omg lol lol I laughed so hard donkey dicks thts great